UK Atheists Hope to Eliminate Jedi Population

[maninahat]

Therefore, what could possibly be gained by lobbying to represent the british population as non-denominational or atheist ? Putting "Atheist" would do far more harm than simply putting a joke word like Jedi, and would increase backlash from devoutly religious groups who would see the communal statement as consolidation of opposition. It would create unrest.

I honestly believe it is old-fashioned British reservedness that retains the religious status quo in England - If they don't know your religion - or if you even have one, then they cannot persecute you for it.

Is "being right" really worth worsening the state of affairs in your home nation ? Imagine we all submit THE TRUTH and at the next election the BNP wins all seats and seeds a PM - everyone who put Islam on that census will get their phone tapped ( exaggeration...perhaps).

Honestly what I really want to see is 400,000 people put their Occupation down as Mujahidin. Then EVERYONE will have something to ***** about.

Err what? Your saying people should lie about their beliefs, just to avoid persecution? If we were living in a fascist dictatorship that openly persecutes the non-religious, I would agree. But in a stable democratic society that has very few religious issues by comparison to the rest of the world, there is unlikely to be any problem in being honest. Why not give the religious the benefit of the doubt, and assume they are capable of dealing with the proportion of atheists?

If the BNP wins, then tough. They won a fair and democratic election. They won't ever win though because the vast majority of people honestly hate the BNP. This previous post assumes the worst of people, rather than going on what we already know of British society and assuming that people will be cool with other people's beliefs.

 

[Conor147]

people dont seem to realise that the results of this census has consequences in the real world.

 

[Conor147]

Guess atheists are the new catholics when it comes to having no sense of humor... oh wait, I forgot about communism

you think that because we are capable of prioritising real, tangible, important issues over jokes that we have no sense of humour?

do you not see how retarded that is?

every atheist that sees "jedi" in the census, laughs for a second. but then they realize that had all those people put "no religion", instead, the world would be a better place.

If a number on a paper is considered a "real, tangible, important issue" in your book, your life is too good

and when did i say it was, if at all?

He refers to this scenario as an example of lack of humorous sense with atheists in general (considered hes saying this in this spesific topic), and you defend the "attack" by saying atheists are "capable of prioritising real, tangible, important issues over jokes". In context that implies that this scenario is very real, tangible and important.

Now, if you werent refering to this scenario, why qoute him at all? If you feel the urge to qoute, at least state its not the scenario the qouted one talks about that you disagree with.

In short, Partezan makes a little pun, and by your reply he/she proved his/her point

And I still rest my case that this issue is a laughing matter compared to real serious issues atheists should be working to achieve.

i was referring to your juvenile red herring about numbers on paper. the one where you misconstrued the issue by pretending we care about numbers on paper and not what they denote.

 

[Conor147]

Therefore, what could possibly be gained by lobbying to represent the british population as non-denominational or atheist ? Putting "Atheist" would do far more harm than simply putting a joke word like Jedi, and would increase backlash from devoutly religious groups who would see the communal statement as consolidation of opposition. It would create unrest.

I honestly believe it is old-fashioned British reservedness that retains the religious status quo in England - If they don't know your religion - or if you even have one, then they cannot persecute you for it.

Is "being right" really worth worsening the state of affairs in your home nation ? Imagine we all submit THE TRUTH and at the next election the BNP wins all seats and seeds a PM - everyone who put Islam on that census will get their phone tapped ( exaggeration...perhaps).

Honestly what I really want to see is 400,000 people put their Occupation down as Mujahidin. Then EVERYONE will have something to ***** about.

Err what? Your saying people should lie about their beliefs, just to avoid persecution? If we were living in a fascist dictatorship that openly persecutes the non-religious, I would agree. But in a stable democratic society that has very few religious issues by comparison to the rest of the world, there is unlikely to be any problem in being honest. Why not give the religious the benefit of the doubt, and assume they are capable of dealing with the proportion of atheists?

If the BNP wins, then tough. They won a fair and democratic election. They won't ever win though because the vast majority of people honestly hate the BNP. This previous post assumes the worst of people, rather than going on what we already know of British society and assuming that people will be cool with other people's beliefs.

exactly.

 

[PAGEToap44]

I don't see why Atheists should take offense to this. I'm an Atheist and I find the notion of Jediism hilarious. Obviously some people are devout about it and I acknowledge them for that, but the rest are making a mockery of religion by imlpying that something as fictional as the force can exist alongside the omnipotent beings that supposedly created the universe and rule over everything in it. 'Cos why shouldn't it?

 

[Omega500]

Im not doing it I really dont like the idea of my info been held by Lockheed Martin, an American arms company then inturn my info could be subject to the American Patriot act. No fucking way even if there is a remote chance.


But if I was to I would put Dudesim

 

[Conor147]

I don't see why Atheists should take offense to this. I'm an Atheist and I find the notion of Jediism hilarious. Obviously some people are devout about it and I acknowledge them for that, but the rest are making a mockery of religion by imlpying that something as fictional as the force can exist alongside the omnipotent beings that supposedly created the universe and rule over everything in it. 'Cos why shouldn't it?

people dont seem to realise that the results of this census has consequences in the real world.

 

[Conor147]

Im not doing it I really dont like the idea of my info been held by Lockheed Martin, an American arms company then inturn my info could be subject to the American Patriot act. No fucking way even if there is a remote chance.


But if I was to I would put Dudesim

make sure you dont leave any of your DNA anywhere. the NWO could find it and make clones of you which they could torture and anally probe for your weaknesses.

 

[gellert1984]

They can have my lightsabre when I've become more powerful than they can possibly imagine.

 

[Varrdy]

From what was written there, I'd say that the word "eliminate" is used incorrectly. In addition, the term "The non-religious in the UK hope to pull a Darth Vader and get rid of anyone claiming to be a Jedi." is clearly not true if you bother to read the short article below. If it were true then the athiests would be arming up and going Jedi-stomping, which they patently are NOT doing!

What athiests are actually trying to do is make sure that if someone ticks "Jedi" then it must be because they genuinely follow that religious path and are not doing it "for a laugh".

That doesn't sound that unreasonable to me, considering that I was once forced to choose "Church of England" as a religion option because "Athiest" was "a wholly unacceptable choice". We must make sure that athiesm gets as fair a shake as possible if we are to throw off the shackles of religious interference and ticking "Jedi" because it might be funny is doing NOBODY any favours (apart from the God-bothering brigade who hate the fact that rational people have their own ideas)!

Personally, I am an athiest and against religion in all it's forms and I say it has to go. However, if you really worship at the altar of the Jedi then that's your own business.

Just don't come around knocking on my door waving your crossed lightsabers and asking for credits with the threat of a visit from Darth Vader if I refuse!

Wardy

 

[Lord_Nemesis]

Maybe this time people should put "Sith" instead? Man, that would be fucking hilarious.

 

[BabyRaptor]

Yeah, damn these people for wanting the government to get accurate data! I mean, it's not like the government does anything important with said data or anything...

I don't think it's the Atheists that are being dense here. They said the same everyone claiming that it's a joke is saying, they just said it with a little more polish.

Edit: Wow, it's kinda sad how many people missed the point of the article. This group isn't telling people who actually follow the Jedi religion not to put it. It's telling people who don't not to put it as a joke. When did reading comprehension become so hard?

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

And frankly, whether purposefully or by accident, your arguments paint Atheists -- all Atheists -- as petty, conniving, and intolerant.

Exactly how you, and these atheists, paint anyone daring to believe in religion. Or wishing to mark Jedi on their census.

Furthermore, your arguments are schizophrenic, occasionally irrelevant, and always confusing.

Funny, as quite a few other people seem to understand them, could it be perhaps - God forbid - that it's you at fault?

I hope that you'll have slept the night before you reply to this, and that the morning will have brought some sense into your head so that I can at least understand whatever point you're trying to make. But if not, I'll quit this whole damned conversation with you, because it's going nowhere by the direction of prejudice and utter nonsense.

See, passive-aggression doesn't work on me, because I've had decades of this nonsense. You're failing to give people credit for a concerted effort to make religious affiliation not matter, and you're failing to see that the acts of the Atheist Council - or whoever they are - are simply proselytizing, in the same way that any other religious group would do.

Here's a simple one: What current charitable event has been made by Atheists, in their name, that doesn't involve tearing down something constructive?

Because it's reasonably easy to name one for the Christian Church, the Scientologists, the Muslims, Buddhists and even the Jedi.

Atheists just put an agnostic slogan on a bus for the lulz.

 

[Doog0AD]

I don't see how "Jediism" is any worse than writing off "Church of England", since both of them are both contradictory and fiction. At least the Jedi weren't responsible for setting people on fire in any real-world scenario.

...Although I still hope the "Church of WAAAGH!" is next.

 

[Vohn_exel]

It's ridiculous to say that people shouldn't self-identify as a particular religion unless they reach some standard of devoutness. It seems almost reasonable when we apply it to stuff that seems like a joke like the Church of Jediism, but if we apply it to a more privileged religion like Christianity, it gets ugly. People wouldn't accept being told that they can't identify as Christian unless they can show that they REALLY, TRULY BELIEVE, instead of just like to go to church on weekends. It would be offensive if a private organization ran a campaign like that; it would be a significant step toward religious hegemony if the actual government decided to require a standard of devoutness for census responses.

But how do you prove that you really, truly, believe? For humans, that can be very subjective. I'm a christian, and God knows I believe, but I haven't set foot into my church in two years for various reasons. Now, some people would say this is proof that I don't believe at all, while others would again say it doesn't matter.

Other then when you get one of those attacks where people put guns to the heads of others and shoot them if they say they believe, it's hard to truly say who believes and who doesn't. Obviously, there aren't people that can use the force in our world, but as being a Christian comes without telekinesis, it's all faith based here as well.

OT, I agree, actually. While it's funny to put your religion as Jedi, you're harming the process and making it difficult for funds to go where they need to. You might think that Christianity is no different then Jedism, but Christian schools are actual places with real children going to them, who could use that cash.

 

[Buizel91]

I thought this was just popular in America? When did England get "Jedi's"

But still i agree, unless they can pick objects up without touching...Jedi should not be a religion.

 

[Doog0AD]

I do like how this aetheist group keeps spamming even though the census has admitted that "Jedi" counts as "No Religion". Not that it should be that way, every religion should be seen as equal, if anything. Just because it's been a religion longer doesn't mean it should get special favors (I'm looking at you every religion created before 1900). Even if this is a joke (which it most likely is), it's still quite stunning that you just rule out some religions as "silly" if they're based on something from a work of fiction outside of this handy book that one billion people swear is the truth.