Atheists don't need political representation. Its not a group, its a label given to people who don't follow any kind of religion.eljacko said:
Its not hypocritical, but it is stupid. What it really is, is pointless. You can't ban religion no matter how annoying it is.Rocklobster93 said:
hardly. this logic can excuse anything, as long as its the norm of its time. this kind of logic is used to justify the paedophilia of muhammad in the qur'an and sirat. this is pure, lazy thinking. if slavery was accepted today, still (which it would be if the bible was still an authority), would that mean slavery isnt a heinous, immoral practise? no. of course not. dont be absurd.AMMO Kid said:Because the bible was written in a time where lots of people chose to be slaves, rather than live on the streets and starve. It doesn't condone mistreatment of slaves and such, it constantly tells masters to be kind to their slaves. You have to view the bible in a historical and cultural context, you can't just throw out random comments like that or else you're bond to not understand a lot of what it has to say. hope this helpsConor147 said:
"And we're back to where I lose your views. This person (Haakong I mean) has shown his opinion and has not forced it upon you but explained how in his mind it all works and SINCE THERE IS NO DEFINITIVE ANSWER everyone is entitled to believe what they want. He hasn't hurt anyone with his beliefs and he hasn't attempted to convert you."Mad1Cow said:
R ; you seem to be confusing rebuttals with forcing people to change their mind. if you feel compelled by rebuttals to change your mind, then the problem is yours and yours alone.
Well that's life at the end of the day...when you try to deconstruct it, it is scary...it's filled with "the unknown" and unanswerable questions which scares us the most. That's why I think personally the best life philosophy is to put that to the back of your mind and spend a good many years doing what you want to do...Swollen Goat said:
Take some years studying religion kid, then we can go back to this debate...until then, happy trails...Conor147 said:"And we're back to where I lose your views. This person (Haakong I mean) has shown his opinion and has not forced it upon you but explained how in his mind it all works and SINCE THERE IS NO DEFINITIVE ANSWER everyone is entitled to believe what they want. He hasn't hurt anyone with his beliefs and he hasn't attempted to convert you."
this person has tried to justify millenia of homophobia by saying it was to prevent sexually transmitted infections. this is heinous, abhorrent thinking. i feel morally obligated as a human being who cares about other people, to reprimand him for such demonstrably false, bigotted and harmful views. and he still maintains that he believes this.
and i didnt think he forced his beliefs on me. and i didnt say he hurt anyone with his beliefs. i didnt see him try to convert me. what the fuck is this drivel?
"You're just so wrapped up in logic you can't seem to appreciate other peoples views."
if this is satire, its genius.
"This is where the general view of atheism=arrogant."
atheism is not an institution or a religion. saying atheism=ignorant is like saying white people=communist. its a complete non-sequitur. a sweeping generalisation.
"Faith" means it doesn't have to make sense"
again, brilliant.
"I'm willing to bet that on the majority most people didn't, instead they were trying to engage with the characters and focus on the plot. In hindsight maybe but at the time you don't really go into a film and try to pick out all the stupid elements, you go to enjoy something. Well think of "Faith" like that, it's more that you're so focused on the big picture instead of the nitty gritty details."
and just like with religion, dont go and start taking films seriously, as if theyre meant to be literally true.
"If anything throughout this entire thing you've been trying to convert people from their so called "deluded" beliefs."
if saying "X is wrong because it is illogical. here is how it is illogical" is trying to convert people, then to point out an error is preaching. this is lunacy.
"Let other people BELIEVE what they want no matter how crazy it may seem to you."
i do. i believe freedom of religion is very important. pointing out how something is wrong is not the same as conversion by coercion. thats what religious people do.
"Go back to your beliefs, express them if you wish, but don't go forcing other people's views to change."
im not. all ive done this whole thread is use logic to disprove assertions and false conclusions. if you feel like your views are being forced to change by this, then perhaps you should do some research of your own. whats the worst that could happen? youll start to discard bullshit and will become a more knowledgeable person. you will also save yourself the embarrassment of being "hitch-slapped" online. if faith can be broken through rational argument and evidence, then it was likely misplaced to begin with.
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"kid". rofl.Mad1Cow said:Take some years studying religion kid, then we can go back to this debate...until then, happy trails...Conor147 said:"And we're back to where I lose your views. This person (Haakong I mean) has shown his opinion and has not forced it upon you but explained how in his mind it all works and SINCE THERE IS NO DEFINITIVE ANSWER everyone is entitled to believe what they want. He hasn't hurt anyone with his beliefs and he hasn't attempted to convert you."
this person has tried to justify millenia of homophobia by saying it was to prevent sexually transmitted infections. this is heinous, abhorrent thinking. i feel morally obligated as a human being who cares about other people, to reprimand him for such demonstrably false, bigotted and harmful views. and he still maintains that he believes this.
and i didnt think he forced his beliefs on me. and i didnt say he hurt anyone with his beliefs. i didnt see him try to convert me. what the fuck is this drivel?
"You're just so wrapped up in logic you can't seem to appreciate other peoples views."
if this is satire, its genius.
"This is where the general view of atheism=arrogant."
atheism is not an institution or a religion. saying atheism=ignorant is like saying white people=communist. its a complete non-sequitur. a sweeping generalisation.
"Faith" means it doesn't have to make sense"
again, brilliant.
"I'm willing to bet that on the majority most people didn't, instead they were trying to engage with the characters and focus on the plot. In hindsight maybe but at the time you don't really go into a film and try to pick out all the stupid elements, you go to enjoy something. Well think of "Faith" like that, it's more that you're so focused on the big picture instead of the nitty gritty details."
and just like with religion, dont go and start taking films seriously, as if theyre meant to be literally true.
"If anything throughout this entire thing you've been trying to convert people from their so called "deluded" beliefs."
if saying "X is wrong because it is illogical. here is how it is illogical" is trying to convert people, then to point out an error is preaching. this is lunacy.
"Let other people BELIEVE what they want no matter how crazy it may seem to you."
i do. i believe freedom of religion is very important. pointing out how something is wrong is not the same as conversion by coercion. thats what religious people do.
"Go back to your beliefs, express them if you wish, but don't go forcing other people's views to change."
im not. all ive done this whole thread is use logic to disprove assertions and false conclusions. if you feel like your views are being forced to change by this, then perhaps you should do some research of your own. whats the worst that could happen? youll start to discard bullshit and will become a more knowledgeable person. you will also save yourself the embarrassment of being "hitch-slapped" online. if faith can be broken through rational argument and evidence, then it was likely misplaced to begin with.
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The irony here is that Atheism has become just as much a religion as any other. It has both fundamentalist/militant followers and the level headed each-to-their-own. Watch how the former try to push their viewpoints.geldonyetich said:
