UK Police Arrest Teen Over Call of Duty Hacking

[MaVeN1337]

He is a scumbag for cheating but I don't think the police needed to get involved.

Failure.

 

[poiuppx]

It's a way of making trials fair by keeping bias against the defendant to a minimum, it's grounded in legal proceedings.

We here at the Escapist are not a court of law, we are a court of opinion, and from what we have been told about this instance in the article

Nothing like trial by media, eh?

You know, I'm with you on this, Pirate Kitty. I think it's unfair to WISH guilt on others. Regardless of how bad it looks, until he has his day in court, he deserves to be treated fairly and objectively. It's the reason jury nullification and changes of venue exists; if you can't be expected to get a fair trial, and be fairly judged by your peers based on the evidence of the case, then wipe the slate and try again. Regardless of personal feelings on the matters of hacking, cracking, DDoS, or what have you, a man deserves to be tried by facts and the jury, not by opinion and sentiment.

...if he is found guilty, though, I say burn the cheating bastard at the stake. While he's wearing a Guy Fawkes mask.

 

[Croaker42]

The Gov't takes their CoD rankings way serieous.
No really, I wouldn't even try to pose a threat to those spots I don't want to end up black baged.

OT; That kid will probably have a bright future in a gov't job if he makes the right statements.

 

[3AM]

I think this kid needs to remember he's playing a game. What do you think he'll be like when he's all grown up and something in the grown-up world doesn't go his way?

 

[lacktheknack]

i wouldn't call a dos a hack or a cheat.. thats just forcing your opponents offline so your left with the lower skilled opposition

How can you call that anything except "cheating"?

And "illegal"?

 

[lacktheknack]

Let's hope he is innocent.

Why are so many people angry at you for this? Is it so wrong to believe in "Innocent until proven otherwise." ? Seriously, this is getting way too far unwarranted. I know Pirate Kitty has a strong belief in anti-piracy and that this has infuriated many of you, but are you people seriously just trying to take everything that she says and make a shitstorm out of it? Let up, Escapists. I used to think that we were better than this, but the quality of this forum is going drastically downhill.

OT: I'm with Pirate Kitty on this. Wait until his day in court is done.

I hope he's guilty, otherwise his detainment was for nothing.

And really, are you really surprised that people who are angry at hackers in general are concentrating their hatred at a likely target, then get pissed when someone gets in their way?

 

[Dastardly]

No idea. Apparently hoping someone didn't commit a crime infuriates people.

*shrug*

When people express they hope "the kid who did this" gets punished, the overwhelming majority of those reasonable people are not condemning the kid. They're condemning the crime. See, they have no personal feelings toward the kid either way. If the kid is found innocent, they'll have no problem with him walking about, free as air. But they'll still feel that the act of using shady tactics like this over a game is just as reprehensible.

The evidence seems to indicate that you were already assigning to people a personality trait that you once heard about in a documentary, or have observed on Law & Order, or wherever. This personality trait, found among a loud minority, results in them attacking the person because of their strong feelings about the crime. They treat the person as an effigy, a readily-available statue to burn as a catharsis, relieving their rage over the crime.

And yet you appear to have assumed that trait in many of the readers, which is why you--often being intentionally inflammatory in a passive-aggressive way--put your comment out there. I don't think you were baiting trolls, or anything of the like, but your comment doesn't appear to be a genuine expression of your hope that this boy is not guilty, but rather a commentary directed at those who posted above you. The comment was itself seems disingenuous, as it appears made to prove a point rather than to express a feeling.

Further evidence that this is likely what happened include things like how you've misrepresented opposing viewpoints--such as indicating that "I don't want him to be guilty" is the same as "I want him to be not guilty"--or exaggerating the mood of the dissenters as being "infuriated." Among the logical fallacies perpetrated here, I think the general idea is "strawman."

That is to say, you seem to be creating an effigy to crudely represent a viewpoint that infuriates you, and then projecting that effigy onto the nearest "guilty-looking" person. You seem to be then proceeding to publicly burn that effigy as a form of catharsis, relieving your anger over that particular viewpoint.

So... well... I guess what you're doing seems a lot like assuming people to be guilty rather than innocent.

(Note that these observations are based not solely on your initial comment, but also on your handling of the situation afterward. This is the outward appearance when taking a total view of the situation.)

Quoting to include other concerned parties:

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[Sparrow]

No idea. Apparently hoping someone didn't commit a crime infuriates people.

*shrug*

When people express they hope "the kid who did this" gets punished, the overwhelming majority of those reasonable people are not condemning the kid. They're condemning the crime. See, they have no personal feelings toward the kid either way. If the kid is found innocent, they'll have no problem with him walking about, free as air. But they'll still feel that the act of using shady tactics like this over a game is just as reprehensible.

The evidence seems to indicate that you were already assigning to people a personality trait that you once heard about in a documentary, or have observed on Law & Order, or wherever. This personality trait, found among a loud minority, results in them attacking the person because of their strong feelings about the crime. They treat the person as an effigy, a readily-available statue to burn as a catharsis, relieving their rage over the crime.

And yet you appear to have assumed that trait in many of the readers, which is why you--often being intentionally inflammatory in a passive-aggressive way--put your comment out there. I don't think you were baiting trolls, or anything of the like, but your comment doesn't appear to be a genuine expression of your hope that this boy is not guilty, but rather a commentary directed at those who posted above you. The comment was itself seems disingenuous, as it appears made to prove a point rather than to express a feeling.

Further evidence that this is likely what happened include things like how you've misrepresented opposing viewpoints--such as indicating that "I don't want him to be guilty" is the same as "I want him to be not guilty"--or exaggerating the mood of the dissenters as being "infuriated." Among the logical fallacies perpetrated here, I think the general idea is "strawman."

That is to say, you seem to be creating an effigy to crudely represent a viewpoint that infuriates you, and then projecting that effigy onto the nearest "guilty-looking" person. You seem to be then proceeding to publicly burn that effigy as a form of catharsis, relieving your anger over that particular viewpoint.

So... well... I guess what you're doing seems a lot like assuming people to be guilty rather than innocent.

(Note that these observations are based not solely on your initial comment, but also on your handling of the situation afterward. This is the outward appearance when taking a total view of the situation.)

Quoting to include other concerned parties:

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I... but, you...

Basically everything you've typed there has made me feel pretty stupid. This is why I suck at forming arguements.

 

[Ephraim01]

He should be marched out into the street and shot.

{snip}Im a pacifist.

Really? That doesn't sound like the sort of statement a pacifist would make...

So you can be traced and arrested for causing DDoS attacks? Someone should warn the idiots supporting "Anonymous" of that...

As for the Manchester Met - you'd think with the amount of violent crimes that happen on a daily basis that they'd not have time to arrest some little oik cheating at games... Mind you, this is the Police Force that decided to post every call they got for 24 hours on Twitter, after all...

They're behind 7 proxies... don't worry about it

 

[Eri]

Ok this thread is already shat on, so why not join in

Not saying they did, or that it is likely to happen. But I always assume innocence until their day in court is done with.

Hitler didn't get his day in court. He died before that happened. I guess he was innocent too.

SHA ZAM! This is a nice point.

 

[Sporky111]

How the hell is running a DDoS attack cheating?

I'm guessing because he could exceed peoples' bandwidth so he'd be the only one that could play the game.

But good on Activision for reporting him. I'm sure they didn't just report him to the police for "cheating", they probably knew something was up outside of the game. I hope the kid gets at least some community service or a big fine. Or is barred from having a computer, that would be fitting.

 

[Judgement101]

I hope the cops said "Look who got pwned now...*****!"

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

I wonder why Activision didn't just ban him, did they? The article doesnt mention it.

 

[kouriichi]

Im american. Im a pacifist... A**holes should die, nice people should live

Either you have no clue what a pacifist is or then you just aren't one, despite how you might want to pose as one.

No no, pacifisum covers what i am.
"In contrast to the nonviolence principle stands the non-aggression principle, which rejects the initiation of violence, but permits the use of violence for self-defense or delegated defense".

So really, his "Cyber Attack" does allow me to feel and wish violance against him.
Pacifisum isnt only, "Kindest person in the world who would never hurt anyone ever."
Its more of, "We try can solve this with our conflicts with words before all else."

 

[PeePantz]

It's like looking at someone who is on fire and saying "Gee, I hope he's not actually on fire right now. That'd suck."

Wow, Sparrow! This isn't for you decide. Let the doctors or coroner determine if he was on fire or not. It may look like he was on fire, but it's not your place to decide that.

I hope he isn't on fire.

 

[kouriichi]

He should be marched out into the street and shot.

I'm American and I'm a pacifist. Everyone who knows me says I'm the nicest guy they know, but anyone who ruins other peoples happy time ON PURPOSE shouldn't have the right to live, let alone play a video game.

I'm sorry if that comes off as mean, but I'm a bit old school on my feeling.(?) A**holes should die, nice people should live, and everyone should know they're place in the world. Mine is with the rest of the mindless drones at mid-level sales.

Wow, can someone say irony? Also, fixed your post. I'm sure it's already been pointed out how a pacifist is not someone who actually believes this.

The thing is, irony, and controdiction are not the same thing. as the dictonary does state, "In contrast to the nonviolence principle stands the non-aggression principle, which rejects the initiation of violence, but permits the use of violence for self-defense or delegated defense."

Im mearly defending myself from his cyber attacks! And you know just as well as i do, a slap on the wrist wont stop him from doing things like this again. But a shot to the face probably will!

 

[kouriichi]

He should be marched out into the street and shot.

Im american. Im a pacifist. And every who knows me says im the nicest guy they know.
But anyone who ruins other peoples happy time ON PURPOSE shouldent have the right to live, let alone play a video game.

Im sorry if that comes off as mean, but im a bit old school on my feeling. A**holes should die, nice people should live, and everyone should know theyer place in the world. Mine is with the rest of the mindless drones at midlevel sales.

I am inclined to agree, but I would be satisfied with just marching him out on his own street, dragging every single bit of his electronic inventory and smashing them in front of his eyes. And then cutting every single utility service physically from his house except for water and sewage for a month.
Maybe cut those last two if he uses a friend's or neighbor's computer to continue his crap.

I dunno.... I think hed kill himself if you did that.
And that would send him to ((in religious belifes)) hell. I dont think thats for his best intrest. I mean, we dont want to doom his ((possibly non-existing)) soul for the rest of eternity do we?

 

[Awexsome]

Eh, the whole innocent until proven guilty arguement I don't think will hold any weight here.

To find cheaters like that I would assume Treyarch implemented some kind of system into the game that allows them to detect stuff like network manipulation that a DDoS attack would trigger some kind of response to.

The only reason that the cops are involved is, like the article said, the way he cheated. Most kinds of cheating are just against Xbox LIVE or Treyarch's terms of service, not a criminal offense. DDoS attacks are.

 

[Del-Toro]

He should be marched out into the street and shot.

Im american. Im a pacifist. And every who knows me says im the nicest guy they know.
But anyone who ruins other peoples happy time ON PURPOSE shouldent have the right to live, let alone play a video game.

Im sorry if that comes off as mean, but im a bit old school on my feeling. A**holes should die, nice people should live, and everyone should know theyer place in the world. Mine is with the rest of the mindless drones at midlevel sales.

As a non pacifist (I'm going into the Canadian Military) I want to say that I already like you. You're a pacifist, but you get it, not everyone has a mother theresa in them, or wants to unleash it.

This kid is a total doucher, seriously, who the fuck thinks it's ok to DoS people? It's not all that serious a crime, it's just a dick thing to do. My suggestion? Flogging. Just whip it out of him, if his parents had actually disciplined (or raised him right to begin with) the fucker then he wouldn't think it's ok to be a petty little douche.