It seems that in order for you to accept that Russian troops are welcome somewhere, a referendum must be undertaken while they are occupied by those that Russia would be protecting them from.
A referendum would need to be undertaken while the area was under the control of their own government, rather than an invading force that slaughters, deports and rapes them if they vote the "wrong" way.
Describing mass extrajudicial executions in the street as "protection" is also quite bizarre, but ok.
Crazy idea: read the posts that are responding directly to you, rather than ignoring them and then lying about how the information hasn't been provided.
Sure thing buddy. I'm sure the Russian government is rushing to punish soldiers for cruelty towards Ukrainian civilians... while their policy remains the targeting of civilian infrastructure, hospitals and schools etc, with artillery.
How do you explain the Russian government's complete denial that any of it happened at all, then? You know, if they're so willing to provide justice for war crimes?
Whataboutery.
Ah, here it is. The real problem. I guess you're very concerned about subway fare evasion.
Anyway, that's very clearly not true; I've a wealth of material to post if it was:
https://www.google.com/search?q=NYPD+rape+of+prisoners
The constant murder isn't enough. The ludicrously large budgets without apparent impact on amount of crime isn't enough. The militarization of our police isn't enough. The lack of any attention paid by the police to the crime of wage theft isn't enough. Legalized theft through civil asset forfeiture isn't enough. No, clearly I need
more justification to make the case against the police. Yeah, sure.
Way to miss the point completely.
I'm
not saying you need more justification. I'm saying all of this justification applies a hundredfold to the Russian military, but where they're concerned, you're happy to assume that it's all just a few bad eggs, and you're sure the leadership is dealing with it, so let them get on with the job.
As if you give a single toss about "constant murder", as you excuse and justify a force that's executing citizens in the street if they venture outside.
As far as I know, there is only one Bucha.
*checks*
Well, egg on my face-- there are
actually ten places called Bucha.
So ya reckon it was one isolated incident, then? Even as satellite footage shows mass graves around Mariupol, and testimony constantly emerges from escapees and survivors from elsewhere?
So again, your credulity does you no credit. There is very clearly a campaign to convince you of Russia's evil which will grasp on anything, true or false, to make the case. It's been going on for years. You could show the slightest bit of concern about being manipulated in such an
obvious way. Oh, but you're smart; you must be immune to propaganda.
Believing women isn't about accepting whatever allegations are publicized by the media handmaidens of the US military industrial complex at their face value, nor demonizing countries that are targets of US ire. I'd find it astonishing that I have to say that, but this has already been a pattern for you. For some reason you seem to think that coming to the conclusions that the propaganda placed in front of you is precisely designed to elicit is some sort of moral good.
Except I'm not concluding it from "propaganda", you clown. I'm concluding it from mountains of survivor testimony. The fact you're completely incapable of recognising contradicting evidence without immediate, unthinking dismissal as propaganda does not make you a critical thinker. It makes you the very opposite. It's one step removed from calling us all sheeple because only you can see through the lies duuuude.
You're discrediting victims of rape because it serves your purpose. You don't give a single shit whether it's true, and you'd throw them under the bus regardlesss in service of Russia's territorial ambitions.
