Underage Sexual Assault Victim Faces Jail Time...For Tweeting the Names of Her Attackers (UPDATED)

nazgull2k1

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I love it how everyone is all waaah waaah for the "victim".

Lets look at the facts of this shall we?

The Girl is 17. Hardly young and innocent (we'll get to that in a minute.)
The "girl" is at an un-supervised party. No adults, no chaperones, nothing.
the "girl" is so drunk she passes out. Drunk.. at 17 YEARS OLD.
the girl is SO drunk, 2 guys strip her down, bang her, take pictures of the show, put her clothes back ON.. and she has no idea anything happened at all.
the "girl" acts like a total 100% non-responsible "victim" when the pictures show up ONLINE, and not ONE second before.

Bottom line - The reason the plea deal was reached in the first place was for her reputation, her repeated underage drinking (dont buy for a second she's some innocent flower.) and now her "school rep" is ruined, so she lashed out by disobeying the law (*surprised? No, not really.) and then probably giving both of her "attackers" a get out of jail free card.

This WHOLE thing smells like last week's gym socks.. from top to bottom.
 

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Ok, let me see if I'm understanding you. She had it coming? She went to a party to have fun and over did it. And because she passed out she should have expected to be raped or molested because that's what guys at parties do. Wow. And the sentence was light because of that? Are you serious? That's ridiculous! And then you say she's whining becasue she didnt get what she wanted? Yeah I think it's a little more than that.
No, your not. Because your inferring your own meaning from my words. Yes she has a hand of responsibility in this. But the reason the sentence is lighter is because they are still minors.

But yes she absolutely IS whining about not getting her way. She even said so.
"I'm at the point, that if I have to go to jail for my rights, I will do it. If they really feel it's necessary to throw me in jail for talking about what happened to me as opposed to throwing these boys in jail for what they did to me, then I don't understand justice"
There it is. She is clearly saying "I dont care what the courts, attys or even my parents agreed to. I dont like it, and I am going to do whatever I want about it."

Your trying to portray this girl as being devoid of responsibility for her actions. Why? Because shes a girl? That would be sexist as hell.

Because she is too young to know better? Considering that this girl was invariably exposed to drinking and partying likely starting around age 12 even if it wasnt herself, it was her friends telling her all about it . She had easily been exposed to what goes on at parties with alcohol for right about 5 years. She knew what risk she was running.

She knew the risks and possibilities of what might occur.

Given she was 17, had she gotten behind the wheel of a car and drove home in that condition? What if she someone had slammed into her killing them instantly. Even if it was clearly the other drivers fault. Even if she drove flawlessly. Would driving under the influence just be excused? Thats the problem of why she or MEs in general dont understand justice and why this is even a conversation at all. She took an action that put herself and potentially others at risk.

So are we really painting the image that this was a good ole country girl who had never been to a party with booze and teens screwing each other senseless, who goes to this party alone, gets quickly overwhelmed by her lack of tolerance and passes out and two horny guys just happen to find her passed out and start bending her around like a ragdoll? The likelihood of that is practically nonexistent. Yet we can never truly know what actually lead up to those events because any accounts from this event would be drenched in alcohol and likely other drugs.
So yes, she bears a bulk of the burden of responsibility because she put herself in that environment "to have fun"

You dont sit in the front row of a Gallagher show and expect to not come home covered in crushed fruit and other misc. crushable items. So too should you not go to a teenage highschool party and not be exposed to alcohol, drugs and kids fornicating.
 

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Mortai Gravesend said:
balfore said:
My main problem with this though is that there are specific laws in place to help protect minors for mistakes they have made. I know specifically there is a movie out there called Boy A which is about a child who is tried and convicted of murder but they never reveal the name to help him live a normal life, this is based on laws that countries actually have in place.

Think of how much it could ruin someone's life if at the age of 16-17 if they were revealed by this girl. They were stupid and did the wrong thing, but that's what young people do make mistakes. If they have to live the rest of their lives never able to get a job because of one mistake and she revealed their names, she deserves to be punished.

I'm not saying in all cases sexual assault crimes names should not be revealed but in a scenario where, to my understanding, they groped and took pictures of a drunk girl, they should not have their lives ruined due to a dumb mistake.
That's what young people do? I was young and made mistakes. I never sexually assaulted anyone though. Quite a difference between regular teenage mistakes and being worthless scum like these guys.
The only thing I'm aware of them being charged for is sexual assault, in this case it was groping and taking pictures of a half naked drunk drunk girl at a party. I've never done things like this but I've seen girls who are half naked at a party get pics taken of them and don't press charges. These guys did something amazingly stupid and are paying the consequences, they don't need this girl trying to further punish them.
 

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The court prosecuting her for the tweet certainly exposed the names of the boys to a wider audience than the tweet itself.
 

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viranimus said:
Hirumakage said:
Ok, let me see if I'm understanding you. She had it coming? She went to a party to have fun and over did it. And because she passed out she should have expected to be raped or molested because that's what guys at parties do. Wow. And the sentence was light because of that? Are you serious? That's ridiculous! And then you say she's whining becasue she didnt get what she wanted? Yeah I think it's a little more than that.
No, your not. Because your inferring your own meaning from my words. Yes she has a hand of responsibility in this. But the reason the sentence is lighter is because they are still minors.

But yes she absolutely IS whining about not getting her way. She even said so.

So yes, she bears a bulk of the burden of responsibility because she put herself in that environment "to have fun"

You dont sit in the front row of a Gallagher show and expect to not come home covered in crushed fruit and other misc. crushable items. So too should you not go to a teenage highschool party and not be exposed to alcohol, drugs and kids fornicating.
Ok, so how is the burden of responsibility put on her? How are the attackers not at fault? I'm trying to understand what you are trying to say, but I keep seeing you say the same things. If I go to a party I expect to have fun and if I over indulge and end up passed out that's my fault. What's not my fault is that two jerks decide to have their way with my unconscious body. That is totally on them. If you were assaulted because you passed out, would you say it's all your fault? That the attackers were just doing the right thing because other people around them were having consensual sex? No, just no.
 

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Sexual assault in this case being the groping and pictures taken, from the news sources a few sights call them rapist but nowhere do they actually report on the rape, because it was groping and pictures taken. I would love is someone could find an article that explicitly points out there being any sex involved with this crime.

What I'm trying to say here is that sexual assault can be many things, if I get drunk and piss in a public park and a cop catches me I can be charged for indecent exposure making me a sex offender. I have found no news source that goes into detail other than pictures and groping.
 

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Mortai Gravesend said:
balfore said:
Sexual assault in this case being the groping and pictures taken, from the news sources a few sights call them rapist but nowhere do they actually report on the rape, because it was groping and pictures taken. I would love is someone could find an article that explicitly points out there being any sex involved with this crime.

What I'm trying to say here is that sexual assault can be many things, if I get drunk and piss in a public park and a cop catches me I can be charged for indecent exposure making me a sex offender. I have found no news source that goes into detail other than pictures and groping.
Groping and pictures is enough. Nice to see how you quoted me btw, good to stand up for your conviction that sexual assault isn't a big deal ;D
Sexual assault is a big deal, but in this case the girl was out of line calling them out. They dont deserve to have their lives ruined for touching a girls boob and posting it on the internet, now if they actually physically raped her that's a different story. They deserve the punishment the court applies to them, not to have their lives ruined by some girl who thinks they deserve more of a punishment.

The idea of them touching her boob and being labeled as rapist by some is horrible. It was a dumb mistake and they deserved to remain anonymous.
 

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Hirumakage said:
Ok, so how is the burden of responsibility put on her? How are the attackers not at fault? I'm trying to understand what you are trying to say, but I keep seeing you say the same things. If I go to a party I expect to have fun and if I over indulge and end up passed out that's my fault. What's not my fault is that two jerks decide to have their way with my unconscious body. That is totally on them. If you were assaulted because you passed out, would you say it's all your fault? That the attackers were just doing the right thing because other people around them were having consensual sex? No, just no.
Again... your inferring your own meaning. Did I say at any time these kids were not at fault? No. These kids are being punished for their fault in the event.

Yes... If I passed out in a dark NYC alley... I would expect to be robbed, beaten, pissed on by local bums and even worse. Thats why I dont go into NYC alleys.

So let me make sure I understand you. We forgive a girl who made a mistake while under sober and stable mind by going to a party that would be known to have drink, drugs and sex before becoming intoxicated and absolve her own poor unaffected judgement, but we condemn the decisions of two teenage guys who also made a poor decision but likely did so while they too were under the influence of alcohol.

Do you understand where the problem is now?

So is there some sort of indication that A: these kids just happened upon her in this drunken state? B: they themselves were not also intoxicated? C: this whole thing didnt happen because she helped initiate the whole exchange but it quickly changed into something else as she blacked out. And as it didnt go down like she wanted she cries rape with little or no evidence and then gets pissy when she cried rape Sexual assault to an unsatisfactory conclusion, she in turn tries to take to the law of public opinion instead of respecting the legal agreement her guardians agreed to.

Remember a plea agreement is still an agreement. That means her guardians/parents had to sign off on this agreement or else there had been a trial. If they signed off on it, it means their case is not strong enough on its own merits to secure a conviction. They agreed to it to give her some sense of justice by punishing the boys, and not have to wade through a trial that would have likely seen the boys go free.
 

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nazgull2k1 said:
the "girl" acts like a total 100% non-responsible "victim" when the pictures show up ONLINE, and not ONE second before.
Actually that caught my attention as well...
In last week?s interview, Dietrich said she was sexually assaulted by two teen boys she knew in August 2011. She had been drinking at a gathering, she said, and became unconscious. Months later she learned that pictures of the incident had been taken and shared with others.
Maybe a woman can explain this to me since I lack the respective anatomy... how do you not realize you've been raped? Sexually violated sure, but the whole 9 yards? Unless she was quite shit faced (possibility given she passed out), you'd think she would have thought something was amiss yes?

It might also be why they reached the original plea bargain; she could have been convicted for underage drinking, and the pictures themselves may have been inconclusive (I haven't seen their content, so I don't know exactly what they show). But now she's ruined that.

This is why I don't like the public getting involved with the legal system; bias opinions always fuck up the judicial process. It's not perfect sure, but this just makes things worse for everyone involved.

If I ever go to court (for something more severe than a ticket), I'll specifically request a closed hearing and sealed records.
 

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Lionsfan said:
Adam Jensen said:
Fuck the court. Rapists should not stay anonymous. She did the right thing.
Her lawyer/parents had to have agreed to a plea deal or we'd be hearing from them regarding this. So "fuck the court" should be "fuck her lawyer for setting up a plea deal".

And no she didn't do the right thing. We don't need teenagers deciding what is and isn't enough when it comes to punishment
I hate to break it to you but that is not how it works. As soon as they were charged the only thing she had to do with the case anymore was be a witness. It is the government that prosecutes people not the victim.
It is the government's job and they can do whatever they want, but quite often it's with the consent of the plaintiff/victim that a plea deal will be struck. That way, there's assured jailtime/punishment and not the chance of a guilty person being let off.

And second, like I said, we probably would have been hearing from the attorney's in this situation, if the Government just went ahead with a plea deal without their consent. But the fact that we didn't hear anything just seems to tell me that striking a plea deal was fine with them.
 

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Mortai Gravesend said:
balfore said:
Mortai Gravesend said:
balfore said:
Sexual assault in this case being the groping and pictures taken, from the news sources a few sights call them rapist but nowhere do they actually report on the rape, because it was groping and pictures taken. I would love is someone could find an article that explicitly points out there being any sex involved with this crime.

What I'm trying to say here is that sexual assault can be many things, if I get drunk and piss in a public park and a cop catches me I can be charged for indecent exposure making me a sex offender. I have found no news source that goes into detail other than pictures and groping.
Groping and pictures is enough. Nice to see how you quoted me btw, good to stand up for your conviction that sexual assault isn't a big deal ;D
Sexual assault is a big deal, but in this case the girl was out of line calling them out.
Not at all, they're scum that's not to be trusted.

They dont deserve to have their lives ruined for touching a girls boob and posting it on the internet, now if they actually physically raped her that's a different story.
Their lives will go on in a quality befitting the sort of people they are.

They deserve the punishment the court applies to them, not to have their lives ruined by some girl who thinks they deserve more of a punishment.
Empty bullshit, you don't even know the punishment the court will apply.

The idea of them touching her boob and being labeled as rapist by some is horrible. It was a dumb mistake and they deserved to remain anonymous.
The idea that you're defending sexual assault just because it isn't rape is pretty horrible.

And you have yet to explain how it was a 'mistake'. How does someone mistakenly do that? Hmm? I'm glad you're so courageously speaking up for sexual assault without a good argument.
The court has already applied a punishment she didn't think it was severe enough so she took the law into her own hands. That alone is illegal.
These boys confessed to first degree sexual abuse, not assault, that includes inappropriate touching of "intimate areas" under Kentucky Law.
These boys are not rapist and yet news outlets label them rapists that is completely unacceptable.
Kids do stupid shit, I don't see how some kids doing something stupid calls for them being labeled a rapist for the rest of their lives.
 

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Mistake is someone doing something out of poor judgement. In other words they were drunk at a party.
 

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Mortai Gravesend said:
Groping and pictures is enough. Nice to see how you quoted me btw, good to stand up for your conviction that sexual assault isn't a big deal ;D
Not to mention that, at the age of 17, she's still legally a minor and therefore whatever pictures they took are technically illegal... or at least, that's what my understanding of all those ridiculous "sexting" things in the US mean. And while I may disagree that it could be classified as "child porn" just because of the difference between 17 and 18, it's still illegal by the standards of the US. Unless a lot of things have happened since I graduated high school...