I agreeee. I mean besides the gameplay being out of date, the graphics were not bad and it was cheesy as hell fun. Kinda brought me back to when I was 12.Drakmeire said:
Update: I GOT a refund for DNF
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Yeah I think it looks like Doom level 2 if I'm not mistaken. Some shooters still emphasize exploration. I think Wolfenstein did. It was kind of a hybrid of the two above designs. Like others I'm looking foward to Rage and the next Dues Ex (although I didn't know Ionstorm wasn't making it and square was.)MiracleOfSound said:Isn't that one of the early Doom levels? I remember that maze in the right hand corner, I think.TU4AR said:
God, Doom was awesome. More shooters need to emphasise exploration.
Thanks for posting this, it makes a great point, also now that I've actually played it, Duke Nuke Em' seems fine. The graphics aren't crap, there seem to be lots of gameplay modes (FPS (duh), platforming, Driving an RC car, playing pinball, slots, using a giant cannon on the top of a building to fight a mothership etc.) It does feel a bit like it was made for it's fans but that's fine with me, that's just what my friend is, an oldschool Duke fan and he thinks it's great. (Still bemoans the lack of the Mighty Boot tho') I also haven't run into anything really gross yet, like was in the review, but we just started it today. I think it's fun and definitely different scenery for a shooter. Hope you like "Duke themed" levels!
Your quoting skills amaze me!Vandenberg1 said:
But my point still stands, just replace Event Horizon with anything, it's the first thing that I though of.
If Duke was a time capsule from the 90's it may not have been a big deal. Duke himself is but the gameplay and visuals are all firmly rooted in the here-and-now. 2-weapon limit, no boot, every color from grey-to-brown, suck your thumb behind a rock to heal...This is like the Captain America of Gaming. An icon from a bigone era is unfrozen, tries to conform to the norms of today and is hated for it (ok, this is the 60's era Cap who fights commies but still)Cool Welshy said:
I don't think people would be as pissed at DNF if it was a Goldeneye/ Perfect Dark clone or, a Doom/Wolfenstein clone like 3D was.
I was in Gamestop for maybe 15 minutes today. In that time, 3 people traded the game back in. The game seems to be horrific, and is exactly the opposite of what people wanted from a Duke game.
...I actually like it.
Yes, Duke is a terrible human being, yes he isn't cool like the game treats him, and yes the shooting is only functional at best.
This is exactly what I expected
I LOVE the horribly cheesy nerdy pop culture jokes. I love how over-the-top-bullshit Duke is.
I even like the broken gameplay, it makes the game nostalgically difficult.
Plus, boobs. And rats in microwaves
WHY THE GOD DAMN HELL NOT?!
Yes, Duke is a terrible human being, yes he isn't cool like the game treats him, and yes the shooting is only functional at best.
This is exactly what I expected
I LOVE the horribly cheesy nerdy pop culture jokes. I love how over-the-top-bullshit Duke is.
I even like the broken gameplay, it makes the game nostalgically difficult.
Plus, boobs. And rats in microwaves
WHY THE GOD DAMN HELL NOT?!
The amazement over the refund actually happening has me a little concerned. I NEVER buy digital distribution over steam (but I do over ps3), and I was actually beginning to have second thoughts about that. Now I'm not so sure. Kudos to the renting idea.Jodah said:
An outdated game concept that was arguably poorly executed in the first place didn't translate into a modern masterpiece? Imagine my surprise.
People keep forgetting the amount of nostalgia involved in memories of the old games and they also keep forgetting the core audience of the old games: think about the kind of people who played games like Duke Nukem when they first came out. It's easy to forget how much wider the gaming community has gotten. This was a series of games aimed at arguably the most immature group of gamers (no offence meant to any particular people) there has ever been, composed mostly of straight white male social pariahs. And even those people have grown up a lot since then for the most part.
The old games were clearly a satire on 80s action heroes, but I always got the sense that there was a sort of wink and a nod making sure everyone knew that the satirical element was at least partially a cover-up for glorifying the very things it claimed to be satirising. Ironically, a lot of the parody of the babe-slapping, beer-swilling male douchebag fantasy seemed a bit less than sincere to me. A parody of porn involving naked people having sex is still porn.
Still, I do not even begin to understand why they gave you a refund. As others have said, you're paying them for the content of the game, not some nebulous value you hope to derive from it. They delivered on their end of the deal and you basically got to play an entire game for free. You essentially stole the game.
People keep forgetting the amount of nostalgia involved in memories of the old games and they also keep forgetting the core audience of the old games: think about the kind of people who played games like Duke Nukem when they first came out. It's easy to forget how much wider the gaming community has gotten. This was a series of games aimed at arguably the most immature group of gamers (no offence meant to any particular people) there has ever been, composed mostly of straight white male social pariahs. And even those people have grown up a lot since then for the most part.
The old games were clearly a satire on 80s action heroes, but I always got the sense that there was a sort of wink and a nod making sure everyone knew that the satirical element was at least partially a cover-up for glorifying the very things it claimed to be satirising. Ironically, a lot of the parody of the babe-slapping, beer-swilling male douchebag fantasy seemed a bit less than sincere to me. A parody of porn involving naked people having sex is still porn.
Still, I do not even begin to understand why they gave you a refund. As others have said, you're paying them for the content of the game, not some nebulous value you hope to derive from it. They delivered on their end of the deal and you basically got to play an entire game for free. You essentially stole the game.
Are you also wary of eating in restaurants because, after clearing the entire plate, you might not be able to return the food?Firia said:
I'm planning on getting a refund.
Not because the game sucks, but because of how shitty the Balls of Steel Edition is. All two of the pokerchips feel horrible and rough. The dice while supposed to be a clear red plastic look like they've been covered in dust, and they're also bent and the white paint meant for the sides is all over the fucking place. The Bust of duke is missing a nose, it wasn't even in the packaging so it must have been broken off during production and no one gave a shit.
Not because the game sucks, but because of how shitty the Balls of Steel Edition is. All two of the pokerchips feel horrible and rough. The dice while supposed to be a clear red plastic look like they've been covered in dust, and they're also bent and the white paint meant for the sides is all over the fucking place. The Bust of duke is missing a nose, it wasn't even in the packaging so it must have been broken off during production and no one gave a shit.
This is the first time I was happy that I didn't have money to pre-order a game I was nostalgically interested in.
The game is a complete failure.
So, don't blame that it is dated because it is like what its predecessor was, because it is nothing like its predecessor, if it had been it would have been a great game.
True Nukem fans were expecting the game to have have health packs, being able to carry all guns, and the game play to be a straight, functional, and properly done non-serious shooter. It probably was that when Gearbox got a hold of it, but they scrapped that because they wanted to change the mechanics to be like all other shooters, because "that is what sells".
Gearbox needs to make a public apology to fans of the series, and give refunds to all that want it.
Only people that rode the hype of the whole 12 year development meme, thought it was going to change the world.
True fans of the series are pissed because they expected a classic non-serious shooter(Health packs and being able to carry all guns(which would work on consoles)), but what they got was Call of Duke Halo. As I have said, the crude humor and themes weren't even handled like it was back then. Comparing it, the crude humor and themes back then were handled elegantly compared to DNF.
Besides, I think the guy's choice in change is fine, because if he likes Portal 2 a third as much as much as I liked the first Portal, he will play it at least 3 times if not more.
The game is a complete failure.
Actually the game would have done fine if not great if it had stuck to its nineties roots. I played Duke Nukem back in the day, and seeing all the trailers, footage from reviews, and what they did to the health and gun mechanics, this game was nothing like what the Duke was in the nineties. As I have said in other treads, Nukem had always been crude and crass with some things, but DNF threw out the well handled mature jokes and themes, and just spewed out and overload of stuff that was over the top and made no sense.Cool Welshy said:
So, don't blame that it is dated because it is like what its predecessor was, because it is nothing like its predecessor, if it had been it would have been a great game.
The reason it didn't translate is because they took nothing from the old games to translate except the image of the character Duke Nukem. It would have succeed fine in this generation if they had just made it exactly like Duke Nukem 3D and just gave it better graphics and different levels.Jaime_Wolf said:
True Nukem fans were expecting the game to have have health packs, being able to carry all guns, and the game play to be a straight, functional, and properly done non-serious shooter. It probably was that when Gearbox got a hold of it, but they scrapped that because they wanted to change the mechanics to be like all other shooters, because "that is what sells".
Gearbox needs to make a public apology to fans of the series, and give refunds to all that want it.
No, I betting he was expecting it was going to be like Duke Nukem 3D but with graphics of this generation.Senrab said:
Only people that rode the hype of the whole 12 year development meme, thought it was going to change the world.
True fans of the series are pissed because they expected a classic non-serious shooter(Health packs and being able to carry all guns(which would work on consoles)), but what they got was Call of Duke Halo. As I have said, the crude humor and themes weren't even handled like it was back then. Comparing it, the crude humor and themes back then were handled elegantly compared to DNF.
Besides, I think the guy's choice in change is fine, because if he likes Portal 2 a third as much as much as I liked the first Portal, he will play it at least 3 times if not more.
It delivers nothing from nostalgia. As I point out in all my comments above. It has nothing from DN3D. I will amend what I have said above, the only other thing it has other than the graphic of Duke Nukem, is naked chicks, but even that isn't handled like 3D.Drakmeire said:
That picture actually got me thinking about what FPS in anyway is like shooters of old, and surprisingly, from what I have played, I came up with one.TU4AR said:
Halo: ODST.
It actually combines both of the the styles.
The exploration of New Mombasa by the Rookie, is like the 2003 map. You explore inside buildings, out in the streets. It even has traditional Health packs for under the shields health.
It is like 2010 stile with the flashback points where the player takes on the roles of the other team members.
The game may have been short, but it was very well executed.
