UPDATE: Mass Effect 3's Multiplayer is incredible. (Added my refletions and a quick guide)

[Daystar Clarion]

why am I not surprised about the response: OMG TROLL!!!

Put it to rest, wont you. It's such donkey piss. I dismiss any of your 'arguments' because it is so packed to the brim with fanaticism, it's like Bioware has their own special cult of gamers.

When it comes to multiplayer there isn't much else to say other than my opinion. When the other side is just going off about HOW SHINY AND SPECIAL IT IS AND OMG BIOWARE!! Do you guys honestly expect me to take that seriously? You guys are acting like a bunch of Justin Bieber fangirls at his concert. I can't take you seriously when the post is overflowing with bioware buttkiss. This is not a fault of mine, it's a fault of yours.

Finally, I already listed why I dislike the mulitplayer; generic, boring. You have to run around the whole freaking map looking for enemies. What is this? Hide and fucking seek? I thought this was horde mode, it feels like i'm playing peek-a-boo with Cerberus.

Plus dont get me started on crappy origins service. It sucks.

In your very first post here you said that bioware fans opinions dont matter.

As in you said that a people that like a certain thing do not have the right to the same amount of freedom of speech as you.

Logical conclusion = You are a cocksucker.

That is not what I said at all. There's a difference between Bioware Fans and Bioware FANBOYS.
Fanboys are those people over at BSN that defend everything Bioware does. Bioware could unleash a nuclear bomb and aslong as it doesn't hit them, the fanboys will defend it.

Lastly, your second sentence is completely nonsensical. I didn't say "you're a fanboy so don't speak". I said and i'm parphrasing here "you're a fanboy so you shouldn't speak" Huge bloody difference here. One implies freedom of speech is determined by how fanatical you are, the other believes fanboys have nothing of value to share, so thus their opinion should be void.

You are still implying that these fanboys opinion matters less then yours.

You are still trampling on their freedom of speech.

Logical conclusion = you are still a cocksucker.

I don't know how you keep coming to this conclusion. Slow down a second. I don't care IF they use their freedom of speech. I just think they are idiots.

And ofcourse I think my opinion matters more. Do you honestly think I go through life giving every opinion equal footing? Don't be absurd.

You think that your opinion matters more...well if you're using that logic, why should anyone care about anything that you have to say?

Because I can construct a reasonable argument. Not some silly strung together fanboy spazz out. It's not about just "believing" in my opinion. I present a strong case, any 'reasonable' person can accept it or not. They can also challenge it, if they want. Instead of you guys doing any of that, you've fell back to the tired old 'they are a troll' position. I called you guys out on it but instead of changing your tactic, you continue to critique HOW i deliver the argument instead of the ARGUMENT itself. Very fucking stupid in my opinion.

Especially since fanboys hardly, if ever, present a strong case. It's just them spazzing out about DERE FAVURIT G

People who are good at arguing also don't reduce their opponent's opinion to 'fanboy ramblings'.

You either argue properly, or not at all, you attack the opinion, not the person making it.

Stay classy.

Woah professor. Did I miss the lecture on 'proper' argument protocols? I must have, because I'm pretty damn sure the only thing necessary for a good argument is ; well thought out points, backed up with evidence. Everything else is decoration or irrelevant.


You're pretty damn arrogant to try and redefine what a good argument is.

That is part of what makes an argument.

There is also etiquette that most people follow so they don't come across as...

Well, like you.

You've been here for less than a month and you're already more than half way to being banned.

All the facts and evidence in the world count for nothing if nobody gives a shit about what you have to say because you've burned too many bridges.

Like I said, stay classy.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

why am I not surprised about the response: OMG TROLL!!!

Put it to rest, wont you. It's such donkey piss. I dismiss any of your 'arguments' because it is so packed to the brim with fanaticism, it's like Bioware has their own special cult of gamers.

When it comes to multiplayer there isn't much else to say other than my opinion. When the other side is just going off about HOW SHINY AND SPECIAL IT IS AND OMG BIOWARE!! Do you guys honestly expect me to take that seriously? You guys are acting like a bunch of Justin Bieber fangirls at his concert. I can't take you seriously when the post is overflowing with bioware buttkiss. This is not a fault of mine, it's a fault of yours.

Finally, I already listed why I dislike the mulitplayer; generic, boring. You have to run around the whole freaking map looking for enemies. What is this? Hide and fucking seek? I thought this was horde mode, it feels like i'm playing peek-a-boo with Cerberus.

Plus dont get me started on crappy origins service. It sucks.

In your very first post here you said that bioware fans opinions dont matter.

As in you said that a people that like a certain thing do not have the right to the same amount of freedom of speech as you.

Logical conclusion = You are a cocksucker.

That is not what I said at all. There's a difference between Bioware Fans and Bioware FANBOYS.
Fanboys are those people over at BSN that defend everything Bioware does. Bioware could unleash a nuclear bomb and aslong as it doesn't hit them, the fanboys will defend it.

Lastly, your second sentence is completely nonsensical. I didn't say "you're a fanboy so don't speak". I said and i'm parphrasing here "you're a fanboy so you shouldn't speak" Huge bloody difference here. One implies freedom of speech is determined by how fanatical you are, the other believes fanboys have nothing of value to share, so thus their opinion should be void.

You are still implying that these fanboys opinion matters less then yours.

You are still trampling on their freedom of speech.

Logical conclusion = you are still a cocksucker.

I don't know how you keep coming to this conclusion. Slow down a second. I don't care IF they use their freedom of speech. I just think they are idiots.

And ofcourse I think my opinion matters more. Do you honestly think I go through life giving every opinion equal footing? Don't be absurd.

You think that your opinion matters more...well if you're using that logic, why should anyone care about anything that you have to say?

Because I can construct a reasonable argument. Not some silly strung together fanboy spazz out. It's not about just "believing" in my opinion. I present a strong case, any 'reasonable' person can accept it or not. They can also challenge it, if they want. Instead of you guys doing any of that, you've fell back to the tired old 'they are a troll' position. I called you guys out on it but instead of changing your tactic, you continue to critique HOW i deliver the argument instead of the ARGUMENT itself. Very fucking stupid in my opinion.

Especially since fanboys hardly, if ever, present a strong case. It's just them spazzing out about DERE FAVURIT G

People who are good at arguing also don't reduce their opponent's opinion to 'fanboy ramblings'.

You either argue properly, or not at all, you attack the opinion, not the person making it.

Stay classy.

Pretty much this. Dismiss a stupid argument based on whether or not the argument is stupid. Do not dismiss it based off of its source (speaking of opinions of course).

Just move one step further. "stupid source" = stupid argument. Ding dong, the chain is concluded!

That is a very narrow-minded mentality.

if "narrow minded" means assessing how valid the source is. then yes. It's one thing to dismiss a group of people for no reason. it's another when the entire premise of the group is; fanaticism and wishfullthinking. Call me arrogant if you must, but a fanboy's opinion is worse than outright lies. Infact their opinion is a lie.

Facts and evidence.

Prove these people are fanboys.

Do you think you can do it without insulting anyone?

 

[Fappy]

why am I not surprised about the response: OMG TROLL!!!

Put it to rest, wont you. It's such donkey piss. I dismiss any of your 'arguments' because it is so packed to the brim with fanaticism, it's like Bioware has their own special cult of gamers.

When it comes to multiplayer there isn't much else to say other than my opinion. When the other side is just going off about HOW SHINY AND SPECIAL IT IS AND OMG BIOWARE!! Do you guys honestly expect me to take that seriously? You guys are acting like a bunch of Justin Bieber fangirls at his concert. I can't take you seriously when the post is overflowing with bioware buttkiss. This is not a fault of mine, it's a fault of yours.

Finally, I already listed why I dislike the mulitplayer; generic, boring. You have to run around the whole freaking map looking for enemies. What is this? Hide and fucking seek? I thought this was horde mode, it feels like i'm playing peek-a-boo with Cerberus.

Plus dont get me started on crappy origins service. It sucks.

In your very first post here you said that bioware fans opinions dont matter.

As in you said that a people that like a certain thing do not have the right to the same amount of freedom of speech as you.

Logical conclusion = You are a cocksucker.

That is not what I said at all. There's a difference between Bioware Fans and Bioware FANBOYS.
Fanboys are those people over at BSN that defend everything Bioware does. Bioware could unleash a nuclear bomb and aslong as it doesn't hit them, the fanboys will defend it.

Lastly, your second sentence is completely nonsensical. I didn't say "you're a fanboy so don't speak". I said and i'm parphrasing here "you're a fanboy so you shouldn't speak" Huge bloody difference here. One implies freedom of speech is determined by how fanatical you are, the other believes fanboys have nothing of value to share, so thus their opinion should be void.

You are still implying that these fanboys opinion matters less then yours.

You are still trampling on their freedom of speech.

Logical conclusion = you are still a cocksucker.

I don't know how you keep coming to this conclusion. Slow down a second. I don't care IF they use their freedom of speech. I just think they are idiots.

And ofcourse I think my opinion matters more. Do you honestly think I go through life giving every opinion equal footing? Don't be absurd.

You think that your opinion matters more...well if you're using that logic, why should anyone care about anything that you have to say?

Because I can construct a reasonable argument. Not some silly strung together fanboy spazz out. It's not about just "believing" in my opinion. I present a strong case, any 'reasonable' person can accept it or not. They can also challenge it, if they want. Instead of you guys doing any of that, you've fell back to the tired old 'they are a troll' position. I called you guys out on it but instead of changing your tactic, you continue to critique HOW i deliver the argument instead of the ARGUMENT itself. Very fucking stupid in my opinion.

Especially since fanboys hardly, if ever, present a strong case. It's just them spazzing out about DERE FAVURIT G

People who are good at arguing also don't reduce their opponent's opinion to 'fanboy ramblings'.

You either argue properly, or not at all, you attack the opinion, not the person making it.

Stay classy.

Pretty much this. Dismiss a stupid argument based on whether or not the argument is stupid. Do not dismiss it based off of its source (speaking of opinions of course).

Just move one step further. "stupid source" = stupid argument. Ding dong, the chain is concluded!

That is a very narrow-minded mentality.

if "narrow minded" means assessing how valid the source is. then yes. It's one thing to dismiss a group of people for no reason. it's another when the entire premise of the group is; fanaticism and wishfullthinking. Call me arrogant if you must, but a fanboy's opinion is worse than outright lies. Infact their opinion is a lie.

Facts and evidence.

Prove these people are fanboys.

Do you think you can do it without insulting anyone?

Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[Tony2077]

why am I not surprised about the response: OMG TROLL!!!

Put it to rest, wont you. It's such donkey piss. I dismiss any of your 'arguments' because it is so packed to the brim with fanaticism, it's like Bioware has their own special cult of gamers.

When it comes to multiplayer there isn't much else to say other than my opinion. When the other side is just going off about HOW SHINY AND SPECIAL IT IS AND OMG BIOWARE!! Do you guys honestly expect me to take that seriously? You guys are acting like a bunch of Justin Bieber fangirls at his concert. I can't take you seriously when the post is overflowing with bioware buttkiss. This is not a fault of mine, it's a fault of yours.

Finally, I already listed why I dislike the mulitplayer; generic, boring. You have to run around the whole freaking map looking for enemies. What is this? Hide and fucking seek? I thought this was horde mode, it feels like i'm playing peek-a-boo with Cerberus.

Plus dont get me started on crappy origins service. It sucks.

In your very first post here you said that bioware fans opinions dont matter.

As in you said that a people that like a certain thing do not have the right to the same amount of freedom of speech as you.

Logical conclusion = You are a cocksucker.

That is not what I said at all. There's a difference between Bioware Fans and Bioware FANBOYS.
Fanboys are those people over at BSN that defend everything Bioware does. Bioware could unleash a nuclear bomb and aslong as it doesn't hit them, the fanboys will defend it.

Lastly, your second sentence is completely nonsensical. I didn't say "you're a fanboy so don't speak". I said and i'm parphrasing here "you're a fanboy so you shouldn't speak" Huge bloody difference here. One implies freedom of speech is determined by how fanatical you are, the other believes fanboys have nothing of value to share, so thus their opinion should be void.

You are still implying that these fanboys opinion matters less then yours.

You are still trampling on their freedom of speech.

Logical conclusion = you are still a cocksucker.

I don't know how you keep coming to this conclusion. Slow down a second. I don't care IF they use their freedom of speech. I just think they are idiots.

And ofcourse I think my opinion matters more. Do you honestly think I go through life giving every opinion equal footing? Don't be absurd.

So you think that your freedom of speech should be taken more to account then these guys freedom of speech?

Aka you are just an arrogant ****.

Logical conclusion = You are still a person who enjoys the taste of male genitalia in his mouth.

Again with this bullcrap. Do you have a some sort of affection for the phrase 'freedom of speech'. I do not understand why you keep using it, ESPECIALLY when it is of zero relevance to this discussion.

If you're trying to say that "all opinions are of equal merit" than we just fundamentally disagree. I do not think every opinion is equal and every opinion deserves to be heard. There are people out there who are misinformed, biased, intellectually bankrupt and just a flaming toolbag.

That however doesn't change the fact that they have the right to speak.(Nor if I had the choice, would I change it) I just refuse to listen to such nonsense.

I also think my opinion should be held higher when the opposition can't seem to critique the argument and instead focus on the delivery. See, that silly arguing tactic is what makes me question how valid your opinion is.

they are all personal opinion none are less then other so stop this nonsense before you dig that hole of yours too deep you can't get out of it

Bullshit.
I refuse to believe that an opinion built on evidence and logic is equal to one built on bias and wishfulthinking.

If we disagree at this point then we just fundamentally disagree on probably everything.

most likely and I'm glad since i couldn't live with myself if i was that short sighted. well at least we agree on one thing your opinion is bias and wishful thinking

 

[JasonBurnout16]

Don't suppose the characters are at all customizeable apart from weapon loadout?

You can change the armour of characters pretty much like you can Shepard's amour in ME2.

Pick a main colour, pick a highlight colour (i.e., say you pick black as a main colour and red as a highlight colour, you armour will be red when the light reflects off of it).

Secondary colour is for clothing behind armour plates, straps, satchels etc.

Armour paterns, and the colour of the armour lights.

You can't change armour pieces, but you can make a relatively unique looking character.

Ah that's quite nifty, I'm interested now. Also want to play as a Krogan. The game's downloading now - can't wait to give it a go.

Thanks for getting back to me so quickly.

 

[Tony2077]

why am I not surprised about the response: OMG TROLL!!!

Put it to rest, wont you. It's such donkey piss. I dismiss any of your 'arguments' because it is so packed to the brim with fanaticism, it's like Bioware has their own special cult of gamers.

When it comes to multiplayer there isn't much else to say other than my opinion. When the other side is just going off about HOW SHINY AND SPECIAL IT IS AND OMG BIOWARE!! Do you guys honestly expect me to take that seriously? You guys are acting like a bunch of Justin Bieber fangirls at his concert. I can't take you seriously when the post is overflowing with bioware buttkiss. This is not a fault of mine, it's a fault of yours.

Finally, I already listed why I dislike the mulitplayer; generic, boring. You have to run around the whole freaking map looking for enemies. What is this? Hide and fucking seek? I thought this was horde mode, it feels like i'm playing peek-a-boo with Cerberus.

Plus dont get me started on crappy origins service. It sucks.

In your very first post here you said that bioware fans opinions dont matter.

As in you said that a people that like a certain thing do not have the right to the same amount of freedom of speech as you.

Logical conclusion = You are a cocksucker.

That is not what I said at all. There's a difference between Bioware Fans and Bioware FANBOYS.
Fanboys are those people over at BSN that defend everything Bioware does. Bioware could unleash a nuclear bomb and aslong as it doesn't hit them, the fanboys will defend it.

Lastly, your second sentence is completely nonsensical. I didn't say "you're a fanboy so don't speak". I said and i'm parphrasing here "you're a fanboy so you shouldn't speak" Huge bloody difference here. One implies freedom of speech is determined by how fanatical you are, the other believes fanboys have nothing of value to share, so thus their opinion should be void.

You are still implying that these fanboys opinion matters less then yours.

You are still trampling on their freedom of speech.

Logical conclusion = you are still a cocksucker.

I don't know how you keep coming to this conclusion. Slow down a second. I don't care IF they use their freedom of speech. I just think they are idiots.

And ofcourse I think my opinion matters more. Do you honestly think I go through life giving every opinion equal footing? Don't be absurd.

You think that your opinion matters more...well if you're using that logic, why should anyone care about anything that you have to say?

Because I can construct a reasonable argument. Not some silly strung together fanboy spazz out. It's not about just "believing" in my opinion. I present a strong case, any 'reasonable' person can accept it or not. They can also challenge it, if they want. Instead of you guys doing any of that, you've fell back to the tired old 'they are a troll' position. I called you guys out on it but instead of changing your tactic, you continue to critique HOW i deliver the argument instead of the ARGUMENT itself. Very fucking stupid in my opinion.

Especially since fanboys hardly, if ever, present a strong case. It's just them spazzing out about DERE FAVURIT G

People who are good at arguing also don't reduce their opponent's opinion to 'fanboy ramblings'.

You either argue properly, or not at all, you attack the opinion, not the person making it.

Stay classy.

Pretty much this. Dismiss a stupid argument based on whether or not the argument is stupid. Do not dismiss it based off of its source (speaking of opinions of course).

Just move one step further. "stupid source" = stupid argument. Ding dong, the chain is concluded!

That is a very narrow-minded mentality.

if "narrow minded" means assessing how valid the source is. then yes. It's one thing to dismiss a group of people for no reason. it's another when the entire premise of the group is; fanaticism and wishfullthinking. Call me arrogant if you must, but a fanboy's opinion is worse than outright lies. Infact their opinion is a lie.

Facts and evidence.

Prove these people are fanboys.

Do you think you can do it without insulting anyone?

Couldn't have said it better myself.

no you couldn't that's the main problem

 

[Tony2077]

One thing i don't like is that you have to unlock the other character class before you can use them.

 

[Fappy]

why am I not surprised about the response: OMG TROLL!!!

Put it to rest, wont you. It's such donkey piss. I dismiss any of your 'arguments' because it is so packed to the brim with fanaticism, it's like Bioware has their own special cult of gamers.

When it comes to multiplayer there isn't much else to say other than my opinion. When the other side is just going off about HOW SHINY AND SPECIAL IT IS AND OMG BIOWARE!! Do you guys honestly expect me to take that seriously? You guys are acting like a bunch of Justin Bieber fangirls at his concert. I can't take you seriously when the post is overflowing with bioware buttkiss. This is not a fault of mine, it's a fault of yours.

Finally, I already listed why I dislike the mulitplayer; generic, boring. You have to run around the whole freaking map looking for enemies. What is this? Hide and fucking seek? I thought this was horde mode, it feels like i'm playing peek-a-boo with Cerberus.

Plus dont get me started on crappy origins service. It sucks.

In your very first post here you said that bioware fans opinions dont matter.

As in you said that a people that like a certain thing do not have the right to the same amount of freedom of speech as you.

Logical conclusion = You are a cocksucker.

That is not what I said at all. There's a difference between Bioware Fans and Bioware FANBOYS.
Fanboys are those people over at BSN that defend everything Bioware does. Bioware could unleash a nuclear bomb and aslong as it doesn't hit them, the fanboys will defend it.

Lastly, your second sentence is completely nonsensical. I didn't say "you're a fanboy so don't speak". I said and i'm parphrasing here "you're a fanboy so you shouldn't speak" Huge bloody difference here. One implies freedom of speech is determined by how fanatical you are, the other believes fanboys have nothing of value to share, so thus their opinion should be void.

You are still implying that these fanboys opinion matters less then yours.

You are still trampling on their freedom of speech.

Logical conclusion = you are still a cocksucker.

I don't know how you keep coming to this conclusion. Slow down a second. I don't care IF they use their freedom of speech. I just think they are idiots.

And ofcourse I think my opinion matters more. Do you honestly think I go through life giving every opinion equal footing? Don't be absurd.

You think that your opinion matters more...well if you're using that logic, why should anyone care about anything that you have to say?

Because I can construct a reasonable argument. Not some silly strung together fanboy spazz out. It's not about just "believing" in my opinion. I present a strong case, any 'reasonable' person can accept it or not. They can also challenge it, if they want. Instead of you guys doing any of that, you've fell back to the tired old 'they are a troll' position. I called you guys out on it but instead of changing your tactic, you continue to critique HOW i deliver the argument instead of the ARGUMENT itself. Very fucking stupid in my opinion.

Especially since fanboys hardly, if ever, present a strong case. It's just them spazzing out about DERE FAVURIT G

People who are good at arguing also don't reduce their opponent's opinion to 'fanboy ramblings'.

You either argue properly, or not at all, you attack the opinion, not the person making it.

Stay classy.

Pretty much this. Dismiss a stupid argument based on whether or not the argument is stupid. Do not dismiss it based off of its source (speaking of opinions of course).

Just move one step further. "stupid source" = stupid argument. Ding dong, the chain is concluded!

That is a very narrow-minded mentality.

if "narrow minded" means assessing how valid the source is. then yes. It's one thing to dismiss a group of people for no reason. it's another when the entire premise of the group is; fanaticism and wishfullthinking. Call me arrogant if you must, but a fanboy's opinion is worse than outright lies. Infact their opinion is a lie.

Facts and evidence.

Prove these people are fanboys.

Do you think you can do it without insulting anyone?

Couldn't have said it better myself.

no you couldn't that's the main problem

What exactly are you implying?

 

[Daystar Clarion]

why am I not surprised about the response: OMG TROLL!!!

Put it to rest, wont you. It's such donkey piss. I dismiss any of your 'arguments' because it is so packed to the brim with fanaticism, it's like Bioware has their own special cult of gamers.

When it comes to multiplayer there isn't much else to say other than my opinion. When the other side is just going off about HOW SHINY AND SPECIAL IT IS AND OMG BIOWARE!! Do you guys honestly expect me to take that seriously? You guys are acting like a bunch of Justin Bieber fangirls at his concert. I can't take you seriously when the post is overflowing with bioware buttkiss. This is not a fault of mine, it's a fault of yours.

Finally, I already listed why I dislike the mulitplayer; generic, boring. You have to run around the whole freaking map looking for enemies. What is this? Hide and fucking seek? I thought this was horde mode, it feels like i'm playing peek-a-boo with Cerberus.

Plus dont get me started on crappy origins service. It sucks.

In your very first post here you said that bioware fans opinions dont matter.

As in you said that a people that like a certain thing do not have the right to the same amount of freedom of speech as you.

Logical conclusion = You are a cocksucker.

That is not what I said at all. There's a difference between Bioware Fans and Bioware FANBOYS.
Fanboys are those people over at BSN that defend everything Bioware does. Bioware could unleash a nuclear bomb and aslong as it doesn't hit them, the fanboys will defend it.

Lastly, your second sentence is completely nonsensical. I didn't say "you're a fanboy so don't speak". I said and i'm parphrasing here "you're a fanboy so you shouldn't speak" Huge bloody difference here. One implies freedom of speech is determined by how fanatical you are, the other believes fanboys have nothing of value to share, so thus their opinion should be void.

You are still implying that these fanboys opinion matters less then yours.

You are still trampling on their freedom of speech.

Logical conclusion = you are still a cocksucker.

I don't know how you keep coming to this conclusion. Slow down a second. I don't care IF they use their freedom of speech. I just think they are idiots.

And ofcourse I think my opinion matters more. Do you honestly think I go through life giving every opinion equal footing? Don't be absurd.

You think that your opinion matters more...well if you're using that logic, why should anyone care about anything that you have to say?

Because I can construct a reasonable argument. Not some silly strung together fanboy spazz out. It's not about just "believing" in my opinion. I present a strong case, any 'reasonable' person can accept it or not. They can also challenge it, if they want. Instead of you guys doing any of that, you've fell back to the tired old 'they are a troll' position. I called you guys out on it but instead of changing your tactic, you continue to critique HOW i deliver the argument instead of the ARGUMENT itself. Very fucking stupid in my opinion.

Especially since fanboys hardly, if ever, present a strong case. It's just them spazzing out about DERE FAVURIT G

People who are good at arguing also don't reduce their opponent's opinion to 'fanboy ramblings'.

You either argue properly, or not at all, you attack the opinion, not the person making it.

Stay classy.

Woah professor. Did I miss the lecture on 'proper' argument protocols? I must have, because I'm pretty damn sure the only thing necessary for a good argument is ; well thought out points, backed up with evidence. Everything else is decoration or irrelevant.


You're pretty damn arrogant to try and redefine what a good argument is.

That is part of what makes an argument.

There is also etiquette that most people follow so they don't come across as...

Well, like you.

You've been here for less than a month and you're already more than half way to being banned.

All the facts and evidence in the world count for nothing if nobody gives a shit about what you have to say because you've burned too many bridges.

Like I said, stay classy.

Oh please. If someone refuses to believe something SIMPLY because there wasn't 'proper etiquette' then they are INDEED a moron. If they are a moron, I don't give one iaota about trying to convince them. They can fly up to mars in their special rocket ship for all I care.

Honestly, your next to last sentence is so silly. "all evidence is irrelevant if you aren't nice about it!" Riiight. I'll be sure to keep that ridiculous logic in mind, the next time I'm dealing with idiots.

Your voice has to reach someone's ears before they can hear what you have to say.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

why am I not surprised about the response: OMG TROLL!!!

Put it to rest, wont you. It's such donkey piss. I dismiss any of your 'arguments' because it is so packed to the brim with fanaticism, it's like Bioware has their own special cult of gamers.

When it comes to multiplayer there isn't much else to say other than my opinion. When the other side is just going off about HOW SHINY AND SPECIAL IT IS AND OMG BIOWARE!! Do you guys honestly expect me to take that seriously? You guys are acting like a bunch of Justin Bieber fangirls at his concert. I can't take you seriously when the post is overflowing with bioware buttkiss. This is not a fault of mine, it's a fault of yours.

Finally, I already listed why I dislike the mulitplayer; generic, boring. You have to run around the whole freaking map looking for enemies. What is this? Hide and fucking seek? I thought this was horde mode, it feels like i'm playing peek-a-boo with Cerberus.

Plus dont get me started on crappy origins service. It sucks.

In your very first post here you said that bioware fans opinions dont matter.

As in you said that a people that like a certain thing do not have the right to the same amount of freedom of speech as you.

Logical conclusion = You are a cocksucker.

That is not what I said at all. There's a difference between Bioware Fans and Bioware FANBOYS.
Fanboys are those people over at BSN that defend everything Bioware does. Bioware could unleash a nuclear bomb and aslong as it doesn't hit them, the fanboys will defend it.

Lastly, your second sentence is completely nonsensical. I didn't say "you're a fanboy so don't speak". I said and i'm parphrasing here "you're a fanboy so you shouldn't speak" Huge bloody difference here. One implies freedom of speech is determined by how fanatical you are, the other believes fanboys have nothing of value to share, so thus their opinion should be void.

You are still implying that these fanboys opinion matters less then yours.

You are still trampling on their freedom of speech.

Logical conclusion = you are still a cocksucker.

I don't know how you keep coming to this conclusion. Slow down a second. I don't care IF they use their freedom of speech. I just think they are idiots.

And ofcourse I think my opinion matters more. Do you honestly think I go through life giving every opinion equal footing? Don't be absurd.

You think that your opinion matters more...well if you're using that logic, why should anyone care about anything that you have to say?

Because I can construct a reasonable argument. Not some silly strung together fanboy spazz out. It's not about just "believing" in my opinion. I present a strong case, any 'reasonable' person can accept it or not. They can also challenge it, if they want. Instead of you guys doing any of that, you've fell back to the tired old 'they are a troll' position. I called you guys out on it but instead of changing your tactic, you continue to critique HOW i deliver the argument instead of the ARGUMENT itself. Very fucking stupid in my opinion.

Especially since fanboys hardly, if ever, present a strong case. It's just them spazzing out about DERE FAVURIT G

People who are good at arguing also don't reduce their opponent's opinion to 'fanboy ramblings'.

You either argue properly, or not at all, you attack the opinion, not the person making it.

Stay classy.

Pretty much this. Dismiss a stupid argument based on whether or not the argument is stupid. Do not dismiss it based off of its source (speaking of opinions of course).

Just move one step further. "stupid source" = stupid argument. Ding dong, the chain is concluded!

That is a very narrow-minded mentality.

if "narrow minded" means assessing how valid the source is. then yes. It's one thing to dismiss a group of people for no reason. it's another when the entire premise of the group is; fanaticism and wishfullthinking. Call me arrogant if you must, but a fanboy's opinion is worse than outright lies. Infact their opinion is a lie.

Facts and evidence.

Prove these people are fanboys.

Do you think you can do it without insulting anyone?

Anyone supporting this Mass Effect 3 bullshit is without a doubt a fanboy. I get it, you're excited about the game. I get it, honestly I do. but there are so much blunders the game has made, that I can-not understand why any fan of the rpg genre is still interested in the game.

Cut dialogue content
Slapped on Multiplayer
Day one DLC

I've gone into detail about this before, present my case eloquently (without insults, yes, without insults) and the only response I'd get is "IM GOING TO BUY IT JUST BECAUSE" = that is the very definition of a fanboy.
The topic creator reaks of fanboy too. Before he/she added their 'reflections'. The topic post could be summed up as "I LOVE MULTIPLAYER THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIS MUCH" It's nauseating. I want some good reasons not your bioware cult reasons.

I was fully prepared to hate the mulitplayer.

Now I've spent the best part of the last two days playing it. The other things I don't care enough about for it to ruin my experience.


So tell me, am I a fanboy for not sharing your opinion?

 

[hazabaza1]

How about everybody just takes a big deep breath and shuts the fuck up, eh guys? Let's all just chill.

 

[LordFisheh]

Zeel, nobody cares. Nobody is about to switch opinion and agree with you. All you're managing to do is come across as a thoroughly unpleasant person who refuses to accept that sometimes other people enjoy things he doesn't. It's ignorant, childish and pretty tedious to read.

 

[Fappy]

How about everybody just takes a big deep breath and shuts the fuck up, eh guys? Let's all just chill.

You forgot the end the post with "And get back on topic."

I swear this community has had too many copper thieves... all our topics are getting derailed right and left these days >.>

 

[Daystar Clarion]

why am I not surprised about the response: OMG TROLL!!!

Put it to rest, wont you. It's such donkey piss. I dismiss any of your 'arguments' because it is so packed to the brim with fanaticism, it's like Bioware has their own special cult of gamers.

When it comes to multiplayer there isn't much else to say other than my opinion. When the other side is just going off about HOW SHINY AND SPECIAL IT IS AND OMG BIOWARE!! Do you guys honestly expect me to take that seriously? You guys are acting like a bunch of Justin Bieber fangirls at his concert. I can't take you seriously when the post is overflowing with bioware buttkiss. This is not a fault of mine, it's a fault of yours.

Finally, I already listed why I dislike the mulitplayer; generic, boring. You have to run around the whole freaking map looking for enemies. What is this? Hide and fucking seek? I thought this was horde mode, it feels like i'm playing peek-a-boo with Cerberus.

Plus dont get me started on crappy origins service. It sucks.

In your very first post here you said that bioware fans opinions dont matter.

As in you said that a people that like a certain thing do not have the right to the same amount of freedom of speech as you.

Logical conclusion = You are a cocksucker.

That is not what I said at all. There's a difference between Bioware Fans and Bioware FANBOYS.
Fanboys are those people over at BSN that defend everything Bioware does. Bioware could unleash a nuclear bomb and aslong as it doesn't hit them, the fanboys will defend it.

Lastly, your second sentence is completely nonsensical. I didn't say "you're a fanboy so don't speak". I said and i'm parphrasing here "you're a fanboy so you shouldn't speak" Huge bloody difference here. One implies freedom of speech is determined by how fanatical you are, the other believes fanboys have nothing of value to share, so thus their opinion should be void.

You are still implying that these fanboys opinion matters less then yours.

You are still trampling on their freedom of speech.

Logical conclusion = you are still a cocksucker.

I don't know how you keep coming to this conclusion. Slow down a second. I don't care IF they use their freedom of speech. I just think they are idiots.

And ofcourse I think my opinion matters more. Do you honestly think I go through life giving every opinion equal footing? Don't be absurd.

You think that your opinion matters more...well if you're using that logic, why should anyone care about anything that you have to say?

Because I can construct a reasonable argument. Not some silly strung together fanboy spazz out. It's not about just "believing" in my opinion. I present a strong case, any 'reasonable' person can accept it or not. They can also challenge it, if they want. Instead of you guys doing any of that, you've fell back to the tired old 'they are a troll' position. I called you guys out on it but instead of changing your tactic, you continue to critique HOW i deliver the argument instead of the ARGUMENT itself. Very fucking stupid in my opinion.

Especially since fanboys hardly, if ever, present a strong case. It's just them spazzing out about DERE FAVURIT G

People who are good at arguing also don't reduce their opponent's opinion to 'fanboy ramblings'.

You either argue properly, or not at all, you attack the opinion, not the person making it.

Stay classy.

Pretty much this. Dismiss a stupid argument based on whether or not the argument is stupid. Do not dismiss it based off of its source (speaking of opinions of course).

Just move one step further. "stupid source" = stupid argument. Ding dong, the chain is concluded!

That is a very narrow-minded mentality.

if "narrow minded" means assessing how valid the source is. then yes. It's one thing to dismiss a group of people for no reason. it's another when the entire premise of the group is; fanaticism and wishfullthinking. Call me arrogant if you must, but a fanboy's opinion is worse than outright lies. Infact their opinion is a lie.

Facts and evidence.

Prove these people are fanboys.

Do you think you can do it without insulting anyone?

Anyone supporting this Mass Effect 3 bullshit is without a doubt a fanboy. I get it, you're excited about the game. I get it, honestly I do. but there are so much blunders the game has made, that I can-not understand why any fan of the rpg genre is still interested in the game.

Cut dialogue content
Slapped on Multiplayer
Day one DLC

I've gone into detail about this before, present my case eloquently (without insults, yes, without insults) and the only response I'd get is "IM GOING TO BUY IT JUST BECAUSE" = that is the very definition of a fanboy.
The topic creator reaks of fanboy too. Before he/she added their 'reflections'. The topic post could be summed up as "I LOVE MULTIPLAYER THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIS MUCH" It's nauseating. I want some good reasons not your bioware cult reasons.

I was fully prepared to hate the mulitplayer.

Now I've spent the best part of the last two days playing it. The other things I don't care enough about for it to ruin my experience.


So tell me, am I a fanboy for not sharing your opinion?

Depends. Why do you like Multiplayer?

Because it's fun.

The classes are all different enough to perform different roles, the equipment/power recharge ratio adds a great dynamic and allows the player to tailor their loadouts for firepower/abilities. Different classes have varying levels of difficulty with different enemies, and the while characters don't control as well as I'd like them too, it all feels very tactical.

I was prepared to hate it, I thought it would be this terrible tacked on multiplayer, but it's genuinely a very fun and engaging experience.

 

[tendaji]

Anyone supporting this Mass Effect 3 bullshit is without a doubt a fanboy. I get it, you're excited about the game. I get it, honestly I do. but there are so much blunders the game has made, that I can-not understand why any fan of the rpg genre is still interested in the game.

Cut dialogue content
Slapped on Multiplayer
Day one DLC

I've gone into detail about this before, present my case eloquently (without insults, yes, without insults) and the only response I'd get is "IM GOING TO BUY IT JUST BECAUSE" = that is the very definition of a fanboy.
The topic creator reaks of fanboy too. Before he/she added their 'reflections'. The topic post could be summed up as "I LOVE MULTIPLAYER THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIS MUCH" It's nauseating. I want some good reasons not your bioware cult reasons.

I don't see how giving the CE edition an extra character that is basically the equivalent of Zaeed in ME2 is a bad thing. All it does is give another face for the mission, it isn't cutting out a major portion of the game (as you've claimed in the past), it isn't some super important story arch that you can't possibly live without, it's simply something extra to give to the CE because companies can.

Also adding multiplayer isn't always such a terrible thing, I was pleasantly surprised by the games multiplayer. Challenging, exciting, has a bit of an addicting quality to it. Sure I won't play it constantly, but I won't be passing it up because it was added to the game.

As for the cut dialogue, I'll hold out until the full game before I make my decision on that. Seeing as the demo was already it's maximum size allowed, I allow a little bit of room in terms of what might be include, and what might have been cut to give a well rounded demo.

And to be honest, it isn't that fanboyish to want to finish a storyline that is ending. That's stupid and arrogant for you to claim that. People enjoyed the first two games the Bioware released and they want to finish it, so why is that such a terrible thing?

 

[Ham Blitz]

I really enjoy it so far. I kind of wish I could of been a Salarian at the start though (Still haven't got one in a pack), but the gameplay is really fun so far. My only current "complaint" against it is that each race has specific skills, though that only bothers me because the Quarian Engineer has the skills Mordin had in ME2 while the Salarian has something similar to Tali's ME2 skills, which is something so Minor I don't really count it as a complaint.

 

[Tony2077]

why am I not surprised about the response: OMG TROLL!!!

Put it to rest, wont you. It's such donkey piss. I dismiss any of your 'arguments' because it is so packed to the brim with fanaticism, it's like Bioware has their own special cult of gamers.

When it comes to multiplayer there isn't much else to say other than my opinion. When the other side is just going off about HOW SHINY AND SPECIAL IT IS AND OMG BIOWARE!! Do you guys honestly expect me to take that seriously? You guys are acting like a bunch of Justin Bieber fangirls at his concert. I can't take you seriously when the post is overflowing with bioware buttkiss. This is not a fault of mine, it's a fault of yours.

Finally, I already listed why I dislike the mulitplayer; generic, boring. You have to run around the whole freaking map looking for enemies. What is this? Hide and fucking seek? I thought this was horde mode, it feels like i'm playing peek-a-boo with Cerberus.

Plus dont get me started on crappy origins service. It sucks.

In your very first post here you said that bioware fans opinions dont matter.

As in you said that a people that like a certain thing do not have the right to the same amount of freedom of speech as you.

Logical conclusion = You are a cocksucker.

That is not what I said at all. There's a difference between Bioware Fans and Bioware FANBOYS.
Fanboys are those people over at BSN that defend everything Bioware does. Bioware could unleash a nuclear bomb and aslong as it doesn't hit them, the fanboys will defend it.

Lastly, your second sentence is completely nonsensical. I didn't say "you're a fanboy so don't speak". I said and i'm parphrasing here "you're a fanboy so you shouldn't speak" Huge bloody difference here. One implies freedom of speech is determined by how fanatical you are, the other believes fanboys have nothing of value to share, so thus their opinion should be void.

You are still implying that these fanboys opinion matters less then yours.

You are still trampling on their freedom of speech.

Logical conclusion = you are still a cocksucker.

I don't know how you keep coming to this conclusion. Slow down a second. I don't care IF they use their freedom of speech. I just think they are idiots.

And ofcourse I think my opinion matters more. Do you honestly think I go through life giving every opinion equal footing? Don't be absurd.

You think that your opinion matters more...well if you're using that logic, why should anyone care about anything that you have to say?

Because I can construct a reasonable argument. Not some silly strung together fanboy spazz out. It's not about just "believing" in my opinion. I present a strong case, any 'reasonable' person can accept it or not. They can also challenge it, if they want. Instead of you guys doing any of that, you've fell back to the tired old 'they are a troll' position. I called you guys out on it but instead of changing your tactic, you continue to critique HOW i deliver the argument instead of the ARGUMENT itself. Very fucking stupid in my opinion.

Especially since fanboys hardly, if ever, present a strong case. It's just them spazzing out about DERE FAVURIT G

People who are good at arguing also don't reduce their opponent's opinion to 'fanboy ramblings'.

You either argue properly, or not at all, you attack the opinion, not the person making it.

Stay classy.

Pretty much this. Dismiss a stupid argument based on whether or not the argument is stupid. Do not dismiss it based off of its source (speaking of opinions of course).

Just move one step further. "stupid source" = stupid argument. Ding dong, the chain is concluded!

That is a very narrow-minded mentality.

if "narrow minded" means assessing how valid the source is. then yes. It's one thing to dismiss a group of people for no reason. it's another when the entire premise of the group is; fanaticism and wishfullthinking. Call me arrogant if you must, but a fanboy's opinion is worse than outright lies. Infact their opinion is a lie.

Facts and evidence.

Prove these people are fanboys.

Do you think you can do it without insulting anyone?

Couldn't have said it better myself.

no you couldn't that's the main problem

What exactly are you implying?

sorry wrong person should have looked at the name closer

 

[MetalGearblack]

I love the multiplayer, but it needs a few things like a mini map so I know when some guy is flaking me. Also I'm sure about the randomness of getting items, it feels like someone could a really good item like the widow sniper rifle early, but it takes you forever to get medigel.

 

[Fappy]

I love the multiplayer, but it needs a few things like a mini map so I know when some guy is flaking me. Also I'm sure about the randomness of getting items, it feels like someone could a really good item like the widow sniper rifle early, but it takes you forever to get medigel.

Radar in ME2&3 only exists when you open up the power wheel. Since you can't do that in multiplayer you don't get a radar. Don't really understand the logic really. Maybe it is supposed to make the game more challenging, but since you had real-time radar in ME1 it kind of doesn't make any sense. Honestly they could keep the same level of difficulty by giving us radar and then make stealthy enemies invisible on radar, that way we know when we are getting flanked by a large enemy force and have a false sense of security when a Phantom sneaks up from behind

 

[Tony2077]

I love the multiplayer, but it needs a few things like a mini map so I know when some guy is flaking me. Also I'm sure about the randomness of getting items, it feels like someone could a really good item like the widow sniper rifle early, but it takes you forever to get medigel.

Radar in ME2&3 only exists when you open up the power wheel. Since you can't do that in multiplayer you don't get a radar. Don't really understand the logic really. Maybe it is supposed to make the game more challenging, but since you had real-time radar in ME1 it kind of doesn't make any sense. Honestly they could keep the same level of difficulty by giving us radar and then make stealthy enemies invisible on radar, that way we know when we are getting flanked by a large enemy force and have a false sense of security when a Phantom sneaks up from behind

i say show only the invisible enemies see how long people scratch there heads trying to find them