instead you tattoo it on to there records for the rest of there life making it extreamly hard to get a job?Ekit said:
[UPDATE] Microsoft Devastates Autistic Child By Labeling Him a Cheater
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If I got my achievements taken away, and labeled a cheater, I would care less personally. I play games to have fun, not to "achieve" something by gaining little points. Only place I do that is DnD, and those points are called Experience.
Feel for the kid, and would like to see microsoft's proof, but meh.
EDIT: By the way, autistic people aren't stupid, and usually are skilled in specific subjects. For instance one of my friend's little brothers is autistic, who is only in 7th grade, and he can solve college-level math problems.
Feel for the kid, and would like to see microsoft's proof, but meh.
EDIT: By the way, autistic people aren't stupid, and usually are skilled in specific subjects. For instance one of my friend's little brothers is autistic, who is only in 7th grade, and he can solve college-level math problems.
Ok that sucks and all, but I'm not sure how much being autistic has to do with this, It seems to me like an unneeded detail.
I would feel bad for someone who was wrongly accused of cheating anyway, but saying the kid is autistic just makes me feel like they are trying to force me to see Microsoft as the bad guy(s).
I would feel bad for someone who was wrongly accused of cheating anyway, but saying the kid is autistic just makes me feel like they are trying to force me to see Microsoft as the bad guy(s).
If the kid earnt impossible to earn achievements [such as several story based achievements [i.e all the missions for Call of Duty 4] in such a short space of time it would be impossible [say 2-3 seconds] then they have amble proof the person has cheated. That's more than enough proof.Kakashi on crack said:
And the kid was cheating...see post 201.
There is alot of Anti-Mircosoft feelings out there. But I work a similar job. Human error can occur. So what Microsoft did in removeing achievements and such I don't care about. The fact the kid has autism I also don't care about.
Those are null points in this.
The problem is, They humalitated him.
He purchased their product. Their games. Gave them money, (or rather his mother but the point is still valid) he got his high gamerscore, he cheated. They tell the world.
He can't change it. Now some might see that as just punishment. But insulting your customers Microsoft? Really?
Why do we. As Gamers. As Customers, Stand for this abuse?
Those are null points in this.
The problem is, They humalitated him.
He purchased their product. Their games. Gave them money, (or rather his mother but the point is still valid) he got his high gamerscore, he cheated. They tell the world.
He can't change it. Now some might see that as just punishment. But insulting your customers Microsoft? Really?
Why do we. As Gamers. As Customers, Stand for this abuse?
Wow... that's pretty sad. I know how can anyone can be obsessed with something as simple and irrelevant as achievements, I did hunted for as many achievements as I could when I had an Xbox and I still do with some Steam games. I wouldn't care either way if my own Gamertag was labeled as a cheater, because I did cheat with a couple of Games For Windows Live (try to get multiplayer achievements on Gears of War PC).
But this case is completely different as this kid is autist, my sister is not autist, but she's special too and her whole life, her whole escape are videogames and I know how important are they for her and I do sympathize with this kid. Just so you know, an autistic child can't lie and I blame Microsoft for being such pricks.
But this case is completely different as this kid is autist, my sister is not autist, but she's special too and her whole life, her whole escape are videogames and I know how important are they for her and I do sympathize with this kid. Just so you know, an autistic child can't lie and I blame Microsoft for being such pricks.
We don't know for sure if he did or didn't cheat, and the fact that he's autistic isn't going to increase or decrease that chance, so I'm going to reserve judgement until I know for sure what happened. That being said, if he didn't cheat, then that really sucks, and bullshit, they can totally change his name back and readjust his gamerscore.
The tag can be found only by the public on Xbox.com. That's it - no-where else can anyone else see the tag, so unless people specifically look up your tag, nobody will know. Let's not go over-the-top regarding this aspect.FWL_MeRc said:
The kid did cheat - see post 201; Microsoft confirmed it.thedeathscythe said:
I can't be solid on either opinion without evidence, but for now, I'm on the kid's side. I don't trust mods. And it gets worse the bigger the community, and we all know how huge XBL is.
Also, I don't care that the kid is autistic. Why does it matter? He's not entitled to any special treatment that doesn't directly disturb his mental needs.
Also, I don't care that the kid is autistic. Why does it matter? He's not entitled to any special treatment that doesn't directly disturb his mental needs.
What does it matter if the kid has autism? If you cheat, you get punished. Kid's will lie about anything, I side with the massive company that has been around forever and knows a thing or two about the products and systems the release. The kid and his whiny mother should suck it up because the kid's probably a cheater.
Oh my! Not his achievements! Thats the worst thing you can do to a person, taking their achievements away like that... awful awful thing to happen...
Mom and kid need to get some perspective here, theres a lot of "disgusting" things around but losing xbox achievements isnt one of them.
Mom and kid need to get some perspective here, theres a lot of "disgusting" things around but losing xbox achievements isnt one of them.
So you think it is a good way to treat customers. It may need to be looked up by people or whatever the case may be but the fact it is freely available to people is where I draw issue with it.D_987 said:
If a company I spent alot of money to own and use their products done that to me. I would no longer be a customer. Defirmation of character, Libel whatever you want to call it. It would be akin to the admins here insulting people and changeing their names to "FWL_Postsretardedthings" They can do it yes. But I won't be coming back. (Not saying they would or have a gripe with the admins here I acutally consider them excellent in the performance of their duties)
But it's a decent deterrent to cheating. A person is far less likely to do something at the possibility of being identified. Think of it like an honor system, where most hard working, skilled and respectable people have earned their achievements - people can see it and acknowledge them as respectable and have done things honorably.Player 2 said:
However, see someone who has been marked as dishonorable after being caught in an act that would cause this; there would be a lot of scoffing and shaming - both an example and a deterrent to others. This works well in a peer-focused environment.
Cheaters would care far less that they get caught if they don't get identified; after all- it's winning and an impressive score that matters to them, so long as they have a way to get that with impunity, they will.
If he cheated then Microsoft has every right to take away the achievements. If anything the kid learned a good life lesson.
They didn't humilate him. He apparently did cheat (see post 201), and even if he didn't read the terms and conditions of using Live, common sense would tell him that cheating is not allowed. Logic would tell him so. Why have a score otherwise? Being 'humiliated' would be to make the judgement known to thousands or millions of people online, those who play on Live and those who do not.FWL_MeRc said:
Now who did that?? That's right, mum did!
It doesn't matter what was purchased, there are rules that come with that purchase, and most of those rules are common sense. Xbox Live is a community. Cheating and misrepresentation is never 'right' in a community like that. MSoft didn't tell the world. His mum did. They didn't 'insult' the boy. It is not an insult to be named for committing an offense, especially when such an offense undermines a major aspect of the community as a whole.
Would it be better if MSoft sat down with every purpetrator and 'sorted' everything out amicably? Sure, but considering how large the Live community is and that people pay a lot of money into it, a zero tolerance stance is better. Only people who have been at least pushing the line, will get accused of foul play.
Now, does that fact that the kid is autistic mean that he should be exonerated? Perhaps. Certainly, his Tag didn't metion his mental condition. Could Msoft let him go this one time? Sure they could. Would every single person accused on cheating, then try to squirm out of their charges with time consuming excuses? Definately. And would Live subscriptions go up or service slacken elsewhere? Most likely.