[UPDATE] Microsoft Devastates Autistic Child By Labeling Him a Cheater
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He has 40 played games on his profile so I doubt that's true, more like 1,500 achievements [not gamerscore].Talcon said:
You really beleive anything the women states regarding this case? After she admitted to completely lying and having no understanding of what had occurred...really? She's a moron - end of; I can't beleive anyone would still trust her comments after all that has been revealed...
Ugh... Fox. We need to slam that liberal network before we loose more face over ridiculous shit that no one that age they claim play should play it. Also, Arnold Schwarzenegger has lost all of my respect for him. Butt out, retardo speech.squid5580 said:
So the kid did actually glitch or cheat his way to getting his gamerscore high?
If this really happened... then what's the problem?
If this really happened... then what's the problem?
First of all, c'mon MS, the kid is autistic don't make his life worse.
Second, why do people (and MS above all) need a stupid score to determine how good a player is?
Thirdly, games are supposed to be fun, not "MUST GET THAT ACHIEVEMENT OR I WILL KILL MYSELF" style.
MS has been really doing it wrong in the last years.
Second, why do people (and MS above all) need a stupid score to determine how good a player is?
Thirdly, games are supposed to be fun, not "MUST GET THAT ACHIEVEMENT OR I WILL KILL MYSELF" style.
MS has been really doing it wrong in the last years.
so wait why does it matter if he is autistic or not. Having learned about kids with autism in school many of them are able to play video-games like the rest of us. The news media would not care about this story if it was just some random ass kid like you and I.
thank you for doing follow up. now this kid and his stupid mom can go away. Pretty typical for a parent to go and say " my son never did anything wrong, defense" this is the same problem teachers have with students and their parents in school.D_987 said:
What has being an autist got to do with the story? I find it condescending that we can't expect an autist to handle a bump in the road like this. It was just a cheap way of putting an angle on a totally mundane story about a little boy being acused of cheating in a video game. (Oh no! Not the games console! His life is over!)
Which, in and of itself, means nothing. It's a horribly stupid myth that every autistic is some sort of a supernatural master of math/logical problems/something something. Sometimes autism is linked to those things, but not nearly every case gives one a bittersweet case of Rainman blessing (actually there's no blessing there in any case, but you get what I mean). It just doesn't work like that.Fraught said:
I'm going to say "I called it a while back before the additional info was in", but: bad parent. Lying for your child after he gets in trouble (and the sort of trouble he sollicited in this case) deprives him or her of a learning opportunity, and can and will lead to a fairly skewed moral outlook for the kid. And this is hardly different if the kid is autistic. Setting bad examples for the wrong reasons is still always bad and wrong.ravensheart18 said:
Wow, sorry man.Lance Arrow said:
I really hadn't considered that somebody may have found that comment offensive.
My first thought on reading the topic title was that the kid was an autistic savant who legitimately earned a really high score in a short amount of time, and Microsoft jumped to the wrong conclusion.
I apologise for any offence.
That's just an excuse. It's not impossible, it just takes great resources and dedication from publishers and developers alike (there was a time long ago when we EXPECTED it from our games, and it's naive of you to presume that we don't have that support now for selfless reasons on the part of games companies). And in any case, it still doesn't matter since it's just a stupid simulation.D_987 said:
This is also pretty naive. You don't know that the kid cheated. Microsoft says he cheated. You accept the words of a company man who's clearly there to calm the press down without questioning them then call me naive. I can't understate how amusing I find this.
Not to mention, like I said, "the rules" have no value if they ruin the fun of the game. That's why it's called a game. If you value the rules to the point that it ruins gameplay for everyone else, then I would not call you a contributor to the gaming community. I'd call you an elitist who forgot the point of what he was doing when he started gaming.
And like I said, a kid with autism could well suffer a breakdown because of such blanket and absolutist stances. It's naive to think that this won't cause Microsoft courts trouble some time down the line. And it's foolish to pretend that because Microsoft has the great resources to win most court cases, that they should never be challenged just because the case may end up a loss.
People shouldn't respect companies, companies should respect people. And I say that with full knowledge of the consequences, sir, so I suggest you take your presumptuous personal comments back.
This point isn't even relevant to my stance at all. Whether it's to earn respect or not, cheating is going to happen and detecting it and punishing it on such a wide scale is both draconian and dangerous. To say that Microsoft should punish everyone equally on the basis of a programmed reading of what "cheating" is - that is truly naive. You think that code designed to detect anything external or added and label it "cheating" is right every time? You think "tampering" always aids one's score (it may not effect it for all you know)? You think that punishing everyone equally, regardless of temperament, won't cause issues? All of these ideas seem to ignore many harsh realities.
That's not what the article seems to suggest at all. Can you even confirm this claim?
We had buggy and cheater-laden games in the '90s. It was harder to hear about some of the bugs, because you had to get the news from friends who'd played, or personal experience, or if you were really cutting-edge you could get them by dialling up a nearby BBS on your smokin' 28.8 kilobaud modem... but they were there. Give designers the credit they deserve; they didn't have today's automated test software and had to spot bugs manually... but then again, games back then often fit on a single 1.44MB floppy, instead of today's 4+GB DVDs.Silva said:
And that's the problem today. Software today is thousands of times bigger than back then, and testing is vastly more difficult today than even that because the interactiveness and complexity is greater than it was then. (Hey, Extra Credits, here's a possible topic!) Throw in that the code is now expected to work on networked environments and defeat deliberate attempts to sabotage it, and I am amazed at how few total bug-fests like New Vegas make it to market.
Keep reading the news; the child's parent has admitted that this is the case, and shown the media the evidence forwarded to her by Microsoft.
And what would you call someone who had someone else play the game for him? Because that's what was happening in this case.
-- Steve
Well, all I'm saying is that if you're gonna joke about something make sure you're at least well-informed about it, that goes double for something as touchy a subject as mental illnesses. I am infact hesitant to call it that because I'm afraid it might offend.Olrod said:Wow, sorry man.Lance Arrow said:
I really hadn't considered that somebody may have found that comment offensive.
My first thought on reading the topic title was that the kid was an autistic savant who legitimately earned a really high score in a short amount of time, and Microsoft jumped to the wrong conclusion.
I apologise for any offence.
Plus, I'm autistic myself (with a side-order of ADD), and I suck at pretty much every videogame in my collection. Except for Guitar Hero.
But yeah, don't feel bad about making a simple joke, just make sure you know your way around whatever you're joking about.
I'm always happy when a metaphor for corporate oppressor-ship turns into a literal news story. "Yes, Microsoft is bullying an autistic child" But overall this is depressing, they turned one of the rare open outlets for this kid into yet another place where he couldn't succeed.
You forgot the /dramaDo4600 said:
The people with autism that i know need alot of structure. Meaning that when you bend rules to satisfy it makes it a part of their structure that they will come to expect.This is just another case of bad parenting, a lying mom and someone that figured that she'd be in the right and unquestioned because her child has autism.