[UPDATE] Players Banned for Breakdancing in Star Wars: The Old Republic

JdaS

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Weren't players also being banned for "exploring the game" as in going to areas they were "not supposed to be in just yet?".

I was curious about this game. Even started considering getting a real computer and relinquishing all that remained of my social life, but now... Doesn't look worth it.
 

Kopikatsu

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Oh no, people getting banned for knowingly exploiting a glitch in the system.

What a horrid violation of our rights as gamers. Let's all go sue Bioware because fuck companies.
 

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JdaS said:
Weren't players also being banned for "exploring the game" as in going to areas they were "not supposed to be in just yet?".

I was curious about this game. Even started considering getting a real computer and relinquishing all that remained of my social life, but now... Doesn't look worth it.
Not quite im gonna copy past another person to explain because i cant in my own words describe it

"People were actually getting banned for entering the zone at a low level and resetting the instances in order to "farm" lock boxes. Flooding the economy with high level items. They weren't actually banned simply for traveling to and exploring the planet."

so a player enters an area, loots, runs away, comes back and start the whole thing over


oh and from bioware..forgot this

Second, a smaller number of accounts were warned or temporarily suspended for exploiting loot containers on Ilum. To be completely clear, while players may choose to travel to Ilum earlier than the recommended level (40+) and may loot containers if they can get to them, in the cases of those customers that were warned or temporarily suspended, they were systematically and repeatedly looting containers in very high numbers resulting in the game economy becoming unbalanced.
 

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Seriously Bioware, dance zones?

Maybe we should hold them to that. Make them put in special areas where you can have massed dance-offs. I'd be down with that.
 

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Amnestic said:
Caliostro said:
Release broken game > People play the game > Get banned because the game is broken.
Release game with an unknown exploit in the code > People knowingly exploit it to get ahead in the game > People get banned because they exploited the game.

To take another recent example, should nothing have been done to players who used the Javelin exploit in Modern Warfare 2? Do you think this situation is different? Why?
Agreed.

Just...wow, guys. They were definitely breaking the rules here...and, for the record, The Old Republic released with far fewer glitches than most just-released games. Hell, it has fewer glitches than a lot of games do after a few months to fix them, hehe. The game's been out two weeks. Give them time. And, I highly doubt those were perma-bans. ;)

Also, paying for an online game does not give you leave to do whatever you want, rules be damned.
 
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Since you can't tell someone he's an idiot without endangering your standing, people are less likely to do it.
But implication is fair game
Should I really be explaining this? It's just common sense, after all.
So, that's just moderate rule-bending.


Preventing those kinds of situations is what active moderation is for. You know, game masters, tech support and so on.
Wow...and I thought they were there just to make coffee
And unlike piracy, there are distinct rules that are broken while cheating, and the perpetrators can be more easily found.
Piracy isn't breaking a distinct rule?
To put it simply, just because cheating is possible doesn't make it futile to attempt to stiffle it.
Yeah, see, you've totally missed my point. Which you then bring up later, so I don't know what you're saying.
Hitboxes aren't taken into effect and it's impossible to phisically dodge anything (only way to actually dodge is stat-wise).
So dancing increases your dodge stat? Really?

What are you talking about?
Why are you arguing with me if you don't know what I'm talking about? Especially if you use my points as defences?
You do remember the Duped Credits in SW:G? Where illegal coins were given to dancers, who were then banned? And their friends were teleported into space when they complained?
No, I don't, because I haven't played it. Sounds like abuse of power on the moderating side, which isn't the case here.
You do remember the picture I posted on page 1 which detailed that action? Two pages ago? It was about an exploit in Star Wars that got lots of people banned unfairly.

Stole from other people the right to hard-earned gratification.
OH MY GOD!
Set a precedent for future people to do the same.
THE HORROR!
Destabilized a (small) part of the economy by having faster access to higher-level loot.
HOW COULD HE?
Messed (knowingly, willingly) with the intended game experience.
THE HUMANITY!
Knowingly abused game mechanics which were blatantly not intended, something which should be in the rules with a big FORBIDDEN sign around it.
THE BASTARD!

It's almost like he was playing a game that he paid for the way he wanted to. What a total ****. He should be hung by the neck for daring to do that!

Sure, it doesn't seem like much. What if a thousand people do it? What if ten thousand people do it?
What if my cat had thumbs!
Would you play a game like that, where all the top spots on the server are occupied by people who don't deserve it? Where the normal, intended experience has now transformed into who breaks the game faster?
Like...every other multiplayer game...

and it's in EA's best interests to keep as many people playing as possible.
Which is why they banned a whole load of them.
Why not just drop him in the Sarlaac Pit? He'd probably have fun dancing his way out of that one.
Don't get me wrong, neither I or Amnestic, which you quoted first, ever advocated a permaban. Or even a particularly severe punishment. Don't know where you got that idea.
I didn't get that idea. I put forward the idea of a punishment fitting to the crime. You seem to have been arguing with yourself for a long time now.
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
It's almost like he was playing a game that he paid for the way he wanted to. What a total ****. He should be hung by the neck for daring to do that!
I know it was sarcasm, but I think you just managed to describe the entire philosophy I've seen coming from Bioware lately.
 

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If such a game breaking glitch was that easily executed, then the company must not have tested the game before launch. That's the fault of the company. Instead of banning people, how about a rollback?
 

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I got a notification in game that the servers were going down in two minutes. I logged back into the launcher and it says they are releasing a patch now that will prevent social emotes from interfering with combat.
 

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In response to the news post: Fair enough.

In response to this thread: I must have missed something here, but isn't this standard practise for an MMO? Seen plenty of these kinds of bans being handed out in WoW (That time they banned half the top-end raiding guilds on my server for exploiting through AQ40 was hilarious).

I'm fairly sure it's in the ToS in these games that if you knowingly exploit the game, you are in line for a suspension. Dance for a laugh in combat and notice mobs aren't hitting you, that's fine. Do it systematically to abuse the system and get what you deserve via the rules you agreed to.

This was pretty much par for the course in WoW, but now it's Bioware doing it it's not allowed?

Are you familiar with the old robot saying "Does not compute"?
 

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Just because there is a bug in the game doesn't mean people should exploit it. People have always been punished for exploiting bugs and glitches in games, why should SWTOR be different? Remember when Bungie reset the ranks and credits of all the players caught glicthing the daily challenges in Halo: Reach? Exploitation is cheating and therefor against the rules and I believe players caught doing so should be punished. That said, in this case I believe the punishment is a bit extreme, just hope it's not permabans.
 

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I am so confused by the responses in this thread. Do people seriously think just because they pay a fee on an MMO they can get away with things that screw other players over? You do something once and notice it prevents damage - fine. I would even report the bug. But what if you start systematically exploiting it in combat, over and over? You're using an exploit and should be punished. Every single bug in a game can -never- be found, especially not something like dancing WHILE in a fight. How many of you danced IN COMBAT during beta tests for TOR, WoW or any other MMO's? I'm guessing "not that many".

The self-entitlement of gamers nowadays is just pathetic. You exploit or abuse, and you reap the whirlwind. If the Escapist had a language filter and you kept using letter substitution or found words that weren't censored, how long do you think it would take for the mods to drop the banhammer? Give me a break.

I will keep enjoying TOR just fine. I will never understand people who deny themselves even trying a game because of some strange boycott/hate relationship with certain developers. I dislike Activision and MW3 especially, because I feel it's gotten ridiculously over the top - not to mention it's pretty much (imo) just MW 2.5. But none of this stops me from enjoying it multiplayer with friends just five minutes ago.

*Shrug* Guess I have enough disposable income to buy games and not fall apart when they're not the best thing since sliced bread.
 

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Perma bans? Damn, can't you guys just, I dunno, disable the dance function until its fixed or something?
Let's say it's known about for 24 hours, and they abuse the mob every 10 minutes. 1 said mob being abused dropped over 20 pieces of loot

You'd seriously not permaban for someone knowing an emergency fix would be on its way? The only difference to WoW is that people are getting their panties in a bunch over this, and people have been gleefully exploiting in WoW to a permaban inc for years.

Would you want the kind of person that looks for the next exploit to sell their account off with loads of money gone from your game too, or give him some leeway because 'oh we should've known every single bug in the game and assumed people wouldn't take advantage of them!'
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
Treblaine said:
Screw you EA, I can dance if I want to, I'll leave all your games behind.
'Coz EA don't dance and if they don't dance they're no friends of mine.
E-e-e-e-e A-a-a-a-a, F-f-f-f-f U-u-u-u-u
 

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Voltano said:
Fappy said:
Are these perma-bans? o_O
I'm curious about that as well. Sure its annoying to PVP players if one person exploits this, but punishing people for exploiting a bug *in your game* seems like the wrong move. Why not just disable the dancing action globally until the bug is fixed?
no, its exactly the RIGHT MOVE. permaban all people exploiting bugs. if you dont its as good as saying "its ok to do it".
 

Corporal Yakob

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Using the Force to get down and jiggy with it? I think these people are being banned because of how awesome that is!
 

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Banhammer because of glitches.
So now the gamers pay for their mistakes...
You know, i get this impression that game industry became way too serious.
I mean, come on...
 

lRookiel

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I just went on the site and saw at the bottom of the page 3 big names, one in particular probably had the lion's share in the judgement of the players.

Thats right, out of the 3 devs in this, I bet EA had suggested the banning of players, because they are cunts basically, everybody knows this......