we will support you? Don't you dare imply that I'd ever support someone not only encourages computer game piracy, but outright enables it. YOU will support him, maybe, but certainly not me. i don't want to see a future in which companies like Sony or Microsoft don't make computer games or consoles because they won't make money from it, I actually enjoy gaming. Support what Geohot did and you'll be supporting a gameless future.Archwright said:
UPDATE: PS3 Hacker GeoHot Claims He's on Vacation
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i cant quite get my head around the argument :S it seems to me that its quite reasonable for Sony to do this. They are protecting their investment. If someone made a key that could open any car door but said it was so people could just have one key for all their cars, damn right the car companys would stop it, coz their cars would get stolen sure as hell! i find it very hard to see what Sony did wrong. Geohotz did nothing wrong either, it was a challenge for him yeah, but he released it on the internet, mistake. People take up manufacturers challenges to hack their chips all the time, but do they release the way to do it? no, coz its a fucking silly idea.
THAT GREEDY SONOFABITCH, WHY I BET HE IS BUYING FOOD DAY TO DAY AND PAYING HIS OWN HOUSEHOLD BILLS AND TRANSPORT COSTS!montopolis said:
CLEARLY HE SHOULD BE PUTTING EVERY PENNY HE HAS TO THE CASE, LIVING IN A CARDBOARD BOX AND EATING DEAD RATS!
Or you know accepting donations from his supporters to fight a good test case against a megacorp so that he doesnt die as a malnourished hobo before the case is over and Sony win by default.
I believe that he paid for this holiday well in advance, probably saved a little spending money that would equate to about 2 hours and piss break with a lawyer, I doubt that 10k will actually cover the totality of his legal fees by the way.
[/quote] My family barely gets by but I myself had a job (yup i still live with my family) and saved some money from that. It cost me about 350 euro's so because I went on vacation with my friends.(I was 17) at that i age i must be wealthy enough to pay for a lawsuit that is going to cost at least $10000? Please think at how much both will cost. And wether being able to pay for a vacation means yours able to pay for a lawsuit.[/quote]
Like I said, it's more a matter of principle than cost to begin with. If you behave like a criminal you'll be seen as one.
And your analogy is bad. You living with your parents allows you a lot of financial leeway those that live on our own don't have. You also went with your friends I see so I'm sure you split the bills somehow. Additionally, I never said he should have to outright pay a whopping 10,00000000 lawyer bill, but to GET A LOAN for his OWN EXPENSES.
It's not like he's supporting a just cause here. No one really NEEDS to go about tampering with their PS3.
I support people messing with whats THEIRS when they buy it, but NOT when that same product taps into online services. There's too much temptation for cheating and piracy on their end.
Please think about the fact that if you're in debt you shouldn't be continuing to spend. <- Financial logic.
Please think about the fact that if you need to beg others for help you should have your priorities sorted. <- Moral/Ethical Logic.
Please think about the fact that the kid was being foolish to begin with. <- Common sense.
Please think about who you're supporting and why you feel such a strong need to be so supportive of it. <- More common sense.
I see little reason here. Just blind corporate hatred and fools with more money than sense.
Edit: I fail at quoting.
Like I said, it's more a matter of principle than cost to begin with. If you behave like a criminal you'll be seen as one.
And your analogy is bad. You living with your parents allows you a lot of financial leeway those that live on our own don't have. You also went with your friends I see so I'm sure you split the bills somehow. Additionally, I never said he should have to outright pay a whopping 10,00000000 lawyer bill, but to GET A LOAN for his OWN EXPENSES.
It's not like he's supporting a just cause here. No one really NEEDS to go about tampering with their PS3.
I support people messing with whats THEIRS when they buy it, but NOT when that same product taps into online services. There's too much temptation for cheating and piracy on their end.
Please think about the fact that if you're in debt you shouldn't be continuing to spend. <- Financial logic.
Please think about the fact that if you need to beg others for help you should have your priorities sorted. <- Moral/Ethical Logic.
Please think about the fact that the kid was being foolish to begin with. <- Common sense.
Please think about who you're supporting and why you feel such a strong need to be so supportive of it. <- More common sense.
I see little reason here. Just blind corporate hatred and fools with more money than sense.
Edit: I fail at quoting.
That is not the same in any way. Teaching someone hand to hand combat can be used for self-defense, further teaching others, and potentially to seek to harm others, and not all of these are illegal. Teaching someone how to crack a Playstation has no legal ways of doing it, you are either using it to pirate software, or get around the EULA, both of which are against the rules here. Further more, the people he's teaching are not the same as a broad population, so again your argument is invalid. He posted his code breaking technique and codes on a site specifically geared towards hacking and breaking, and while not all hackers are going to do something illegal with this knowledge, a good portion will, and you are not getting a general population with this, you are getting a population who are interested in hacking and jailbreaking, some of which are inherently illegal.James Raynor said:
In order for your metaphor to even be the same thing in this situation, your person teaching hand to hand combat would have to be teaching only people who were definitely planning on using such skills immediately, this really taking out self-defense, and would actively use their skills if no opportunities presented themselves, therefore aggressive people. Thus, you are now teaching hand-to-hand combat knowingly to a population that you know will go out and be aggressive with them, and training people to assault others is DEFINITELY a crime, just like training others PIRATE is a crime.
He wasn't ignorant, he knew what these people were going to use the information to do. He is not innocent, he is not Robin Hood, he is not a good person. He is going to go to jail for a long, long time, and I'm going to just sit back and laugh when he gets extradited from South America for being a complete idiot.
He didn't steal the firmware, I get that. It's the fact he took a piece of it and distributed it. Which according to the User Agreement is a big no no. That's the issue. The security root key dsitribution, if he didn't send it out none of this would be happening. I'm pretty sure a lot of companies know people install and upload on their electronics. They're fine with it, as long as people don't take their property and distribute it. He took the root key and made it public, that's why. Apple didn't come after him, hell when he claimed he hacked the PS3 Sony didn't do anything. It wasn't until he said "o btw gais hre da r00t ky lulz" that Sony took him to court.Snooder said:
I've done something that... seemingly nobody here has done. I looked over the PSN EULA and will now post what it says in plain english.
That's all I really need to say. The EULA ONLY covers the PSN. It doesn't prevent you from modding your console as long as you stay offline.
Gee, someone is a bit mad now aren't they?joebear15 said:
Yes, I sure am ignorant for believing that someone could go to jail for violating the terms of service of a multi-nation corporation, making them potentially lose millions of dollars in revenue, and violating the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, which is a federal law. All of this is, again, on the Wikipedia page that you so helpfully guided me too that I already knew about. But hey, thinking that breaking federal laws nets you no jail time is pro, right?
Oh, and the tried and true argument of "I am 100% right and have proof but I don't want to tell you what the proof is" is just lingo for "I'm full of shit and I'm just bluffing". So please, why don't you take the time to explain your side rather than just doing random flaming against someone that doesn't have 100% of the knowledge of the legal system, hackers, and the lives of Sony and Mr. Hotz. Oh wait, that's everyone, you must sure hate a lot of people...
Honestly, if you can't take the time to at least make a well worded argument rather than just blasting hate speech, just go home troll. Go home troll, and stay there...
Now come on, you now darn well most people (not all) will end up pirating games instead of using home brew. I'm not being "ignorant" I'm just saying that will most likely be the case, I mean look at the Dreamcast it had piracy issues casue you can just burn a game and go but most people remember it for that and not for the interesting homebrew that game out (beats of rage is cool)joebear15 said:
See I know your not the smartest one in the bunch because the PS3 could use linux before this whole mess. Sony did a knee jerk reaction to Geohot saying how he used Linux to by-pass some checks, and in response removed it. So see saying "it's used to run linux" is moot because that was what lead to this whole thing. Geohot hacked using linux, he bragged, sony removed it, caused a shit storm which I agree sony was in the wrong about, and now this whole mess started.Snooder said:
Not to put you down but I remember Iwata going on about how piracy isn't the main reason why games don't sell it's because they are crap. And while you live that policy in life (Mine is more or less the same I don't like having a copy of a game if I don't own the real thing), but not everyone follows that I mean I have friends who the moment I hacked their psp(Note I'm not against modding systems, my stance is people are banging on about "rights" but 9 times out of 10 most of the use will be to pirate) they pirate any game they please and I unmod it and let them deal with it. Now you my say "well that's just you but not me" but the worlds are not full of yous, it's full of people who if given the chance might pirate a game or two.theultimateend said:
No I would say more like trying to control their own system so investors won't say "well gee they let it be rampant to piracy so why should we bother"(And I'm including devs in this when I say investors). If you made a game that had a budget of 7,000,000 what system would you publish for the one were piracy is a problem or the one were it is secure (why do you think PC games have all these anti piracy things that end up broken anyway). Personally I'm on neither side because I feel both are wrong, but I don't also see it from the little people I see it on the side of people who make the games the little people play.ImprovizoR said:
I guess I should apologize I had no idea that after their defeat in WW2 Nazi Germany moved to the United States and started Jew hunting again.Raiyan 1.0 said:
See, I was under the impression that in this day and age something called due process existed in the United States and that according to the law everyone was innocent until prove guilty by a jury of their peers. Taking this into account it would be fool hardy to run off unless you where actually guilty.
But if Nazi Jew hunting is currently a problem in the United Stated then I will apologize and retract my statement.
Also the statement "true fact" is meant to be redundant.
PS: To the guy who quoted me saying "tell that to the witchs burned at the stack please read the above post but replace every instance of the word Jew with Witch and every mention of Nazi Germany or Nazis with Religious D-bags.
AAAnd now the other side of the story, All the people who accused him of taking the money and running are proven wrong, the guy has already payed his lawyers who are responding with proof that no evidence tampering took place.Of course people could have looked at how sony got the information that this guy was in South America or what the removal of controller cards actually means, but no. Just look at all the people on here who bought into Sony's slander. I would gladly donate to the legal fund for GeoHot to sue Sony for this.AzrealMaximillion said:
Deadman Walkin said:
Settle down there matey. Sony sell the PS3 console at a huge loss only because they make the money back on game sales. If the military buy several hundred of these machines but no games, it's as if sony is now paying to support the US army. Before jumping to the thought of "but theyhave so much money, it shoudln't matter!" don't forget they wouldn't have much if all they did was hand out freebies.
respond as you like.
Well, maybe you should have been more specific about it. "Innocent people do not run under current American jurisdiction." If you want to be such a smartypants, go all the way and don't leave room for ambiguity.RoBi3.0 said:
And what's the point anyway? This is a civil case, not a criminal one, so the defendant is allowed to leave the country. Come back and accuse him of fleeing when he misses a hearing.