US 2024 Presidential Election

[crimson5pheonix]

Denmark seems to be doing good too, I think.

Still, this many countries in Europe (along with Canada from the looks of things) going right-wing in the face of political turmoil, completely ignoring the Left, speaks volumes to me. Maybe America is a unique case, in which the Democrates screwed up so bad that MAGA snatched them up, but to me it reads no different than what's happening in Europe.

Canada is another good example, Trudeau is a centrist and the center cannot hold against the right, but because they are painted as the left and don't strongly disavow that label, it ends up tarring the left. As for the democrats screwing up bad, the democrats are why we even have Trump in the first place. This all started back in 2015 when the Hillary campaign used what media connections they had to elevate Trump in hopes he'd win the primary and give an "easy victory" to HIllary. Literally, Trump is the democrats fault, and they've learned nothing from this exercise.

 

[hanselthecaretaker2]

Would’ve loved to have heard what O & D were discussing-

 

[Silvanus]

Ah but there's several instances of left wing victories. Mexico is the first that comes to mind, they kept their right wing from taking power by... raising wages, improving worker protections, and fighting corruption. The left wing in France has twice now spited both the center and right and kept them from doing what they want.

This is true, although the victory over the far-right (and victory of NFP) in France also owed itself to tactical voting between the left and Macron's group. Had left-wing voters pursued the no-compromise approach, the result wouldn't have been nearly as rosy.

...of course, Macron then installed another unwanted centre-right PM when the Barnier gov collapsed. So he's certainly not taken the appropriate lessons from the election.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

This is true, although the victory over the far-right (and victory of NFP) in France also owed itself to tactical voting between the left and Macron's group. Had left-wing voters pursued the no-compromise approach, the result wouldn't have been nearly as rosy.

...of course, Macron then installed another unwanted centre-right PM when the Barnier gov collapsed. So he's certainly not taken the appropriate lessons from the election.

It should be pointed out as well that the tactical voting method only worked because of insubordination in Macron's party. Attal had to defy Macron and ask centrists to actually work with the NFP to keep the right out, Macron was ready to burn the whole country to the ground for his own ego.