My thoughts exactly, it seems more of a futuristic dystopia setting for a low budget old movie.fix-the-spade said:
US Seeks Extradition For UK Student's Copyright Violation
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I'm sorry but since when did America own the internet? last time i checked they didn't, at most the UK has jurisdiction because it's UK servers (well i'm guessing the servers used to host are in the UK here) on UK soil and the owner is from the UK. 5 years though, it's abit much for someone who wasn't even hosting the content, a year or less at most (and even then i don't agree with punishing someone for meerly linking the content) and even then it should be the UK to deal with it.
Whats next, the US coming after me for hosting a .rar which contains drivers which allows the laptop i brought with my money to run XP instead of Vista which the manufacturer didn't supply?
Whats next, the US coming after me for hosting a .rar which contains drivers which allows the laptop i brought with my money to run XP instead of Vista which the manufacturer didn't supply?
And the authoritarian arm of the US government reaches across seas once again. If they say no, are we invading? What a joke. I hope they don't give him up.
Also, I hate how people refer to the US as, "the land of the free". We have the largest prison population on the planet, both statistically and using real numbers. For those interested, 7.2 million people or 2.4% (rounded for our purposes) of our total population. Which is a much larger tax burden for both prisons and law enforcement to rack up such a large percentage.... so free we are.
Edit: this also should not be a criminal matter, but only a civil one. Another reason to dislike the US government... which incidentally doesn't represent me at all for anything (though they would disagree).
Also, I hate how people refer to the US as, "the land of the free". We have the largest prison population on the planet, both statistically and using real numbers. For those interested, 7.2 million people or 2.4% (rounded for our purposes) of our total population. Which is a much larger tax burden for both prisons and law enforcement to rack up such a large percentage.... so free we are.
Edit: this also should not be a criminal matter, but only a civil one. Another reason to dislike the US government... which incidentally doesn't represent me at all for anything (though they would disagree).
Considering Gary Mckinnon still hasn't been extradited when its obvious he did commit a crime against the USA (clarity: I don't think he should be, but he did break the law), I doubt this guy will ever set foot on US soil. Spoils any plns he may have had to go to DisneyLand though 
I'd like to know if it was actually him putting up the links, of if they were user-generated (i.e. users register, post links to torrents/whatnot)?
Anyway, I hope he doesn't get extradited.
(Also rather interesting since I had an offer to study Computer Science at Sheffield Hallam)
Anyway, I hope he doesn't get extradited.
(Also rather interesting since I had an offer to study Computer Science at Sheffield Hallam)
If i remember rightly the links where added by users not the owner of the site himself.Geamo said:
Representation is hard when you can't afford a senator.Baresark said:
I'd say we need to burn it down and start again, but nobody can afford fire anymore.
Agreed. The idea that the US is trying to make their laws applicable internationally should be taken as a clear threat to the sovereignty of other nations in my view. Don't we have enough preblems at home without stupid politicians and their lobbists trying to push their own agendas.Arcanist said:
If this is a problem to the US industries, they should be pushing their agendas in the country of origin - not on US soil and using US tax dollars.
Dear United States Government, fuck off. Your laws do not apply to us. I would squee with joy if we were to respond in something to this effect.
Why is our government so focused on matters overseas when we are drowning in debt over here. It's complete bullshit. They seriously want to punish someone from the UK for copyright infringement when they can't even enforce it here.
I would like to quote George Washington. "The great rule of conduct for us, in regard to foreign nations, is in extending our commercial relations to have as little political connection as possible".
Last time I checked George Washington was probably the greatest president we have ever had. I think it's time we listened to him.
I would like to quote George Washington. "The great rule of conduct for us, in regard to foreign nations, is in extending our commercial relations to have as little political connection as possible".
Last time I checked George Washington was probably the greatest president we have ever had. I think it's time we listened to him.
I don't care if he plotted to kill Obama, the kid sure as hell better be tried in the same damn country as me.
WHICH IS ENGLAND, IN CASE YOU WERE WONDERING.
Seriously though, shit like this pisses me off. America tried to pull it last year with that austistic hacker. He's English, therefore not American and therefore the American customs service can direct my foot within range of their arse.
[sup]Can you tell I'm a bit upset?[/sup]
WHICH IS ENGLAND, IN CASE YOU WERE WONDERING.
Seriously though, shit like this pisses me off. America tried to pull it last year with that austistic hacker. He's English, therefore not American and therefore the American customs service can direct my foot within range of their arse.
[sup]Can you tell I'm a bit upset?[/sup]
No way this guy will get extradited. Look how much of a fight we put up over the extradition of that guy who hacked the Pentagon, were not gonna let this guy get shipped across the Atlantic for linking people to illegal downloads.
It pisses me off that the USA even tries to do this. They want to extradite terrorists planning to bomb the white house, go ahead. Even when they wanted to extradite that guy who hacked the Pentagon, they at least had some case for it. If the guy hadn't had Aspergers I probably would have even supported it. This though, is just fucking ridiculous. As SenseofTumour said, would the US want him extradited for stealing actual DVDs? No, they wouldn't give a fuck. It's only the US government's big-headed desire to establish itself as the internet police that instigated this move.
The US government's overly patriotic hubris is getting way out of hand, and someone needs to stand up and tell them to fuck right off before they start trying to pass a law that makes England the 51st state.
It pisses me off that the USA even tries to do this. They want to extradite terrorists planning to bomb the white house, go ahead. Even when they wanted to extradite that guy who hacked the Pentagon, they at least had some case for it. If the guy hadn't had Aspergers I probably would have even supported it. This though, is just fucking ridiculous. As SenseofTumour said, would the US want him extradited for stealing actual DVDs? No, they wouldn't give a fuck. It's only the US government's big-headed desire to establish itself as the internet police that instigated this move.
The US government's overly patriotic hubris is getting way out of hand, and someone needs to stand up and tell them to fuck right off before they start trying to pass a law that makes England the 51st state.
There's only one way to actually fix it, BUT, it would be so expensive as well as illegal that I'm not sure it's worth it.SlasherX said:
Right now I'm thinking what does streaming do that TV does not? its the same difference except the TV networks aren't getting as many viewers there is so many things that are not shown globally that people in other country's might enjoy but are not shown over seas apart from major films its actually advertising the shows to the world.
The reason they get so pissed is cause people have found a way to show people what they could see on a TV for free on the internet for free oh sure its not through a pay site that pays so much of every subscription to those who participate. But it is not right to play things off by going around arresting people from other country's for no reason like this they are LINKS to the websites not THE ACTUAL websites so he has broken no laws. As i have said before US and UK laws are very different indeed and the US should not be able to prosecute a citizen of a country of which is not sovereign to them and can not impose a proper legal sentence because what might be 5 years in the UK could be 2 years here or just a fine and a civil suit.
The thing is in the UK our law system is a government law system not a company law system where you can just buy your freedom and assure it with enough money the reason Google is never taken to court is because they have lots of money and lawyers that will get them out of any trouble they can think of. Where as a student in a different country is a target students have no money as it is so there for no power over the USA and probably cant afford they're own lawyer so again i think they are just looking for money see who and what they can milk for $5,000.
Morally and socially to try and fly him to another country to make him adhere to they're laws and they're more than likely bias judges its an easy target especially since a UK citizen isn't likely to know very much about US law all they are doing is picking an easy target here and victimizing them and trying to back them into a corner from which they cannot escape.
The reason they get so pissed is cause people have found a way to show people what they could see on a TV for free on the internet for free oh sure its not through a pay site that pays so much of every subscription to those who participate. But it is not right to play things off by going around arresting people from other country's for no reason like this they are LINKS to the websites not THE ACTUAL websites so he has broken no laws. As i have said before US and UK laws are very different indeed and the US should not be able to prosecute a citizen of a country of which is not sovereign to them and can not impose a proper legal sentence because what might be 5 years in the UK could be 2 years here or just a fine and a civil suit.
The thing is in the UK our law system is a government law system not a company law system where you can just buy your freedom and assure it with enough money the reason Google is never taken to court is because they have lots of money and lawyers that will get them out of any trouble they can think of. Where as a student in a different country is a target students have no money as it is so there for no power over the USA and probably cant afford they're own lawyer so again i think they are just looking for money see who and what they can milk for $5,000.
Morally and socially to try and fly him to another country to make him adhere to they're laws and they're more than likely bias judges its an easy target especially since a UK citizen isn't likely to know very much about US law all they are doing is picking an easy target here and victimizing them and trying to back them into a corner from which they cannot escape.