This doesn't shock me. Heart and stroke diseases are even MORE firmly linked to obesity.Jedi-Hunter4 said:
Basically, if we were less obese, we'd be significantly healthier across the board.
"Vaccines don't save lives"
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Basically, if we were less obese, we'd be significantly healthier across the board.
Blacking out is a potentially harmful side effect, no matter the cause. If I collapsed at the wrong time, that could lead to injury (most importantly the head). The hours following I tend to be weak and feel so sick I can't do anything. Our Hep B shots were done at school btw and I got in trouble for not doing my work.Jedi-Hunter4 said:
The reaction for the MMR vaccine last year lasted for about 3 or 4 days of constant headaches, weakness, shortness of breath (while not dangerously short), and generally not being able to function properly. Considering my expectations at college, that's about 8 hours (not counting transit) of hell and I nearly collapsed several times. I was in a program where missing one class = failure, so staying home wasn't an option.
Perhaps the point to hit home is that these are neurological signs. Neurological signs should be considered as serious and something to look into (especially since repeated occurrence and waiting around can make things worse). Crazy shit happens up there if it's not tended to, which is why any neurological symptom such as tremors, unconsciousness, etc is normally treated as a big deal. And considering I haven't had a single bit of sympathy (don't worry, not directed at you) in the years regarding my reactions, it makes me wonder what will happen if it DOES create something harmful or permanent.
Didn't mean to start myself a pity party. Just wanted to show my frustration with apathy and the "vaccines can do no wrong" attitude a lot of people, professionals worst of all, have. This is especially frustrating considering my education and career, where the teachers and products outright say the potential harm vaccines can do.
An explanation (not necessarily the correct one) forxDarc said:
a) allergies etc: theyre investigating the link between increased hygiene <-> auto-immune disease and allergies. Apparently your kid is stronger if he plays in the mud from time to time.
b) increase in cancer is pretty normal I think. People get older because of better medicine. Not even a 100 years ago, getting the flu was potentially lethal. Now its usually no biggie (except for some cases with extra complications (aids for example
)). But nowadays people get older and thus run an increased risk of getting cancer. Not that increased polution and shit is not adding to the increase.I'll try and edit this with some (legitimate) sources later on. Don't have the time to look it up right now. And PS: this is what I remember from reading/class. My memory might be wrong. Just a thought...
I... it... I don't even... This. This needs to be on billboards all around the nation.Pink Gregory said:
OP: I personally think that once a drug has been proven to not be harmful to children that could potentially save their lives parents should have to make them get vaccinated. I don't give a fuck about what some idiot parents have to say about it, nobody has the right to let a child die because their parents are fucking stupid. Period.
It predates Michelle Batshit by a lot. Jenny Mcarthy is one of the people who really popularised it, claiming not only a link between vaccines and autism, but also that she cured her kid's autism. Sadly, this miracle cure has not been revealed to the scientific community.idarkphoenixi said:
Not only dos it lack scientific evidence, but also statistical as well.
Maybe not directly, but let me ask you this: what if the actual "cure" for autism lies within the mind of someone who will never realise it because their parents taught them science is a bunch of liberal PC bullshit?
Yes, it's unlikely that any such cure will come from within one mind, but the point remains. Closing off people's minds is damaging.
Besides, permissiveness towards ignorance is permissiveness towards ignorance. Where do you think these ideas come from in the first place?
Which is how most conspiracy theories start: some legit worry, no matter how small, or some legit question. I mean, I don't exactly trust pharmaceutical companies, either. They're in tight with the FDA in this country and we've seen a bunch of bad drugs pass under questionable circumstances. They're profit-driven and monopolistic and probably view us as acceptable losses.Pink Gregory said:
Buuuuuuuuuuut, that doesn't mean vaccines are bad. People latched on to the fear and didn't bother with anything like "reason" when approaching it (a shame we didn't impress upon them things like critical thinking or the scientific method). A lot of misconceptions spread through ignorance and fear. They also spin out because of it.
Yes, actually, we did. My dad's roommate in college (this would have been around 1979) had a severe lifelong peanut allergy, to the point that the smell of peanut butter could put him in need of a trip to the clinic.xDarc said:
Not hearing of something until recently doesn't mean it's new. It often just means that it has either not been recognized as an illness until recently, or that you simply hadn't been exposed to that information until recently.
What you're doing is how misinformation spreads. Please try not to do that in the future.
I can't name a single other change in the last 30 years, can you?Abandon4093 said:
I do find it interesting how we point to an "increase" in some things when all we're doing is better diagnosing them. Autism being thrown around is one, but also gluten intolerance sort of fits. There may be an actual rise, but there's a heavy increase in diagnosis of both Celiac disease and idiopathic gluten sensitivity due to increased screening. It's like saying there are more stars in the sky compared to a thousand years ago simply because we've got better technology for observing them.
Not that I know how many stars there are in the sky, just that the premise of "more detection=more stars exist" would be faulty.
Unfortunately, 99% of people would believe it applied to other people. The ones who would take note would almost certainly be the ones who least NEEDED to do so.afroebob said:
I, of course, am completely different. >.>
2013 and some people think vaccines don't work?
Small Pox would like to say hello.
Fucking blows my mind
Small Pox would like to say hello.
Fucking blows my mind
I think a good counter-point to the 'Vaccines don't save lives', would be 'And neither do seat belts.'
While they try and counter your point use their own arguements against them.
While they try and counter your point use their own arguements against them.
Growing up, one of my friends had epilepsy. Everyone in my elementary school classes ended up educated on it so we'd know the signs and be able to get help for him/not panic should he end up having a fit.McMullen said:
Imagine my surprise, then, that when we entered middle and high school almost nobody knew what it was.
Roundabout way of agreeing with the notion. Things are often new to us simply beause they're new to us.
Hell, I didn't know how many people in my family suffered migraines (which comes to mind primarily because they put me on a seizure med to deal with it for several years) until after I started getting them. My family didn't just start getting them because I did, though. And I'm constantly surrounded by people who use "migraine" to mean "headache," so....
It helps about as much as a crossbow, sure. A bit more than a knife, since there's less effort involved in using it. It's certainly far and away easier to kill with a gun than your hands... but only if you can figure out how to chamber a round (most guns don't make very well-balanced clubs). Mind you, I'm all for keeping guns out of the hands of the untrained, the unstable, and the irresponsible (so, pro national registry and mandatory licensing... but anti-banning)... but blaming tools for how people use them is about like blaming the sun for death by dehydration.Johnny Novgorod said:
OT: ...I think I've been ninja'd somewhere on the second page... but here's a succinct clip from the Bullshit episode:
TL;DW:
Penn: "Even if vaccination did cause autism... which it fucking doesn't... anti-vaccination would still be bullshit."
xDarc said:
Numbers can be misleading too. For example let's say I have a group of 100 people. 30 of these people will contract a specific disease in their lifetime. That's 30 percent of the whole. Let's say I wait 10 years and find out that 20% more people out of the hundred will be diagnosed with this disease. the 20 percent in this case is relative to the number of people who contracted the disease the last time I took a look. The actual number of people who will get this disease is now 36. Still an increase, but not nearly as dramatic as they'd look when presented in the way you did.
Right, so...lovely people who think vaccines are bad. I have a treat for you. His name is Steve and here's here to tell you...
...as well as...
Really, people. Don't make me break out Dara O'Briain too. We can't have people allowing themselves to get sick because they don't believe that science and medication is real and works.
...as well as...
Really, people. Don't make me break out Dara O'Briain too. We can't have people allowing themselves to get sick because they don't believe that science and medication is real and works.
There was something on here in Aus a few weeks ago about this very topic. The main person they were talking to kept going on about how much research they had done into vaccines but never said exactly where they were doing said research so it was probably from the internet. It's both our greatest and worst invention IMO. I can understand parents not wanting their kids vaccinated from everything due to the risks but for gods sake you gotta at least vaccinate for things like hepititus which can and probably will kill kids. This semester at my university there was a warning that a couple of students had meningococcal and my first thought was thank god I was vaccinated.
Yeah I have to say people who think overall vaccines are harmful is the #1 thing that makes me just believe they have nothing of value to say and i should just avoid them.
Even if you give them better than their best scenario and say every case of autism ever recorded in the history of mankind is caused by a vaccine the fact is they ended massive deadly plagues. I grasp while both are bad options pick autism or polio how about autism or a small pox epidemic? We are taking about a absolute worst increased cases of one illness that while horrible is never fatal not contagious and in about one of three cases people with it can lead a normal life for several illness that are highly contagious, debilitating and fatal being wiped out of existence.
Even if you give them better than their best scenario and say every case of autism ever recorded in the history of mankind is caused by a vaccine the fact is they ended massive deadly plagues. I grasp while both are bad options pick autism or polio how about autism or a small pox epidemic? We are taking about a absolute worst increased cases of one illness that while horrible is never fatal not contagious and in about one of three cases people with it can lead a normal life for several illness that are highly contagious, debilitating and fatal being wiped out of existence.