Reading that gave me a sudden thought... According to Wikipedia, over 416,000 U.S. military personnel died in World War II. And this is how their sacrifice is remembered. "Saving Britain's ass"... They may be insulting the British, but even other Americans have every right to be pissed at moron comments like that.Hybridwolf said:
Valve Guy Says British Gamers Need to Speak Up
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It's mainly because Americans love to make fun of our accent and ask if we know the Queen. I was once told to go and I quote "Shag the queen Britfag". High pitched american voice, naturally. May have been Texan or anywhere in the southern US. That's why I don't talk and worship the mute button.
They hear Americans having "fun", I hear annoying Frat boys with no sense of humour that does not involve a toilet and screaming abuse. If that's Valve's idea of "fun" then they need to consult a dictionary.
the thing is the americans have like 6 insults against us and use them over and over in the same match i mean i was told to go drink some tea over 7 tmes in a match that lasted about 5 minutes and then they think there clever for coming u with these 'clever' remarks about us
Because I hate being asked if I know the f*cking Queen, and why if I'm British "don't you talk like James Bond?"
I come from Yorkshire! We're not all royals and cockneys!
I come from Yorkshire! We're not all royals and cockneys!
Oh if your going to list the number killed, lets add civilans to that count...Spatzist said:
United Kingdom: 382,700 (military) 67,100 (civilan) 449,800 (overall)
United States: 416,800 (military) 1,700 (civilan) 418,500 (overall)
And if we are going to be really clever, lets add Russia the true "winners" of the war.
Soviet Union 1939 Borders: 8,800,000 to 10,700,000 (Military) 12,154,000 to 14,254,000 (civilan) 1,000,000 (Jewish people alone) 23,954,000 (overall)
Bearing in mind, the majority of American deaths only occured because they went running into Japan, I don't think Americans have a right to claim they "won". Espically since they came in very late into the game and only came in because they got attacked first.
TBH I never play with people I don't know on l4d because they have 0 tolerance and I have to spend about half an hour trying to find a server I don't get kicked from within 30 seconds. I don't really see the point in playing on really hard because it's just frustrating, and on normal textchat works fine.
EDIT: On the topic of accents, I'm English and once managed to convince an Aussie girl that I was Aussie. My accent's terrible, and when I said "OK I can't keep this up, I'm English", she didn't believe me and thought I was putting my real accent on. Fun times.
EDIT: On the topic of accents, I'm English and once managed to convince an Aussie girl that I was Aussie. My accent's terrible, and when I said "OK I can't keep this up, I'm English", she didn't believe me and thought I was putting my real accent on. Fun times.
Why do us brits wanna talk to 13 year-old Americans?
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=frat+boy
hahaha, off topic, but I looked up 'frat boy' on the urban dictionary and this is what they came up with--Generic_Dave said:
And it goes on and on. Check it out.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=frat+boy
I'm seeing a lot of British people complain that they get made fun of whenever they talk. GET OVER IT! I'm sure girls get made fun of/ hit on when they talk on xbox live sometimes but I've still met a lot of girls on left 4 dead that talk.
Don't be afraid guys, we're a different community...well, for the most part. Most left 4 dead players don't make fun of their teammates because they know how much they need you. If we get pounced, we don't want our British teammate to leave us because we were asking them if they wanted tea and crumpets five minutes earlier. Give us a chance, guys. There are some idiots out there but the majority of us are team players. That's how we got good at this game.
Don't be afraid guys, we're a different community...well, for the most part. Most left 4 dead players don't make fun of their teammates because they know how much they need you. If we get pounced, we don't want our British teammate to leave us because we were asking them if they wanted tea and crumpets five minutes earlier. Give us a chance, guys. There are some idiots out there but the majority of us are team players. That's how we got good at this game.
I think a lot of you are missing the point.
"But I can't speak because Americans/children/Communists/pedobears will make fun of my accent/gender!"
Yeah. That's wonderful. You'll have to get along with these people if you want to play Realism mode successfully.
If you can't, well, you're going to be dead quite a bit.
"But I can't speak because Americans/children/Communists/pedobears will make fun of my accent/gender!"
Yeah. That's wonderful. You'll have to get along with these people if you want to play Realism mode successfully.
If you can't, well, you're going to be dead quite a bit.
Actually I think a lot of it has to do with British arrogance actually, which is why a lot of the "We saved your arse during two world wars" stuff comes up. Pretty much a lot of brits seem to have this complex about not having an empire anymore and being dependant on the US similar to how the US was dependant on Britan even after our independance. Not to mention the whole "revolution" thing a couple centuries ago, and the differant perspectives on history that is all about.
In general stuff like that isn't initiated by Americans when it comes to online chatter I've seen. I've noticed non-Americans want to get into politics a heck of a lot more frequently than Americans do online. Of course I'm speaking more or less from World Of Warcraft, where my guild leader for example is a New Zealander and we've pretty much come to the conclusion that politics are a no-go. Simply put the American perspective, and the perspective of other countries are ultimatly at odds. People from other countries being as ignorant (or more so) than we are, but in the end everyone who is not American generally agreeing that Americans are wrong just because globally we're still top dog and more or less get our way.
That said I don't do shooters very often, and in general am not online doing multiplayer via console very much unless it's for fighting games (which I have an occasional interest in). However my limited experience has shown that most people who play shooters multiplayer tend to get together with people they know. Thus I think some of the problems being discussed are brits talking to other brits (so to speak), as opposed to people just remaining quiet when they are online.
In general, my multiplayer co-op experiences in MMORPGs are basically a matter of me playing alone, eventually meeting people I wind up hanging out with for quests, forming guilds with those people, raiding, meeting more people via raids or PVP, and then just generally being with that general group even as guild fall apart and reform. Then being something of a clique(even if sometimes I'm a pseudo-outsider) we all talk about newbs which are basically anyone we haven't known for a year or more.
Really I don't know many console gamers IRL anymore (those I used to know were co-workers and I've been retired on disabillity for a number of years now). I kind of got the impression that the entire point of Left 4 Dead was for you and your friends to all buy the game, and then team up after work/school to bag some zombies. I do not play (or own) it despite liking the premise for this reason. I figured just trying to meet people randomly on XBL or PSN and play a game like that was a recipe for disaster anyway. Most of the "random matchmaking" features not being intended for team-play games, but for stuff like death matches or fighting games where your pretty much getting together for 3-5 minutes tops in an adversarial enviroment.
In general stuff like that isn't initiated by Americans when it comes to online chatter I've seen. I've noticed non-Americans want to get into politics a heck of a lot more frequently than Americans do online. Of course I'm speaking more or less from World Of Warcraft, where my guild leader for example is a New Zealander and we've pretty much come to the conclusion that politics are a no-go. Simply put the American perspective, and the perspective of other countries are ultimatly at odds. People from other countries being as ignorant (or more so) than we are, but in the end everyone who is not American generally agreeing that Americans are wrong just because globally we're still top dog and more or less get our way.
That said I don't do shooters very often, and in general am not online doing multiplayer via console very much unless it's for fighting games (which I have an occasional interest in). However my limited experience has shown that most people who play shooters multiplayer tend to get together with people they know. Thus I think some of the problems being discussed are brits talking to other brits (so to speak), as opposed to people just remaining quiet when they are online.
In general, my multiplayer co-op experiences in MMORPGs are basically a matter of me playing alone, eventually meeting people I wind up hanging out with for quests, forming guilds with those people, raiding, meeting more people via raids or PVP, and then just generally being with that general group even as guild fall apart and reform. Then being something of a clique(even if sometimes I'm a pseudo-outsider) we all talk about newbs which are basically anyone we haven't known for a year or more.
Really I don't know many console gamers IRL anymore (those I used to know were co-workers and I've been retired on disabillity for a number of years now). I kind of got the impression that the entire point of Left 4 Dead was for you and your friends to all buy the game, and then team up after work/school to bag some zombies. I do not play (or own) it despite liking the premise for this reason. I figured just trying to meet people randomly on XBL or PSN and play a game like that was a recipe for disaster anyway. Most of the "random matchmaking" features not being intended for team-play games, but for stuff like death matches or fighting games where your pretty much getting together for 3-5 minutes tops in an adversarial enviroment.
Just because Americans are talking alot more doesn't mean they are working together better. Quite a bit of it is 'OMG, UR SUCH A N00B! WTF!' Or having a laugh at some's accent.
This is my experience anyway. We don't talk. We get on with the job.
This is my experience anyway. We don't talk. We get on with the job.
I think it's best you edit that posted before people come to rip you a new one.Therumancer said:
Your sickeningly smug, misguided, and often over-the-top posts are begining to wear on me and many others.
I bid you good day sir, as I do not wish to be splashed with blood during your mauling.
Welcome to the world of free speech, and yes I do promote some rather unpopular viewpoints, and I do so fully within the guidelines of the site. I have backed down every single time a "Red Guard" has questioned me. Sure, I could probably go to some forums where my views would be more... represented. However most such forums would not generally be gaming oriented, have content (like this site does) that I am interested in, etc...Suiseiseki IRL said:
Yes I *DO* expect I ruffle some feathers as the fandom community tends to be very leftist and politically correct, and I generally am not (despite having some left wing viewpoints myself). But to some extent I feel you need to have your feathers ruffled, and I sort of hope with time things will start to balance out.
As far as what I said in my post above, like many posts, I expect a lot of people here to disagree with it. I even say so myself in a lot of things I write. But that doesn't mean I am wrong, or am going to censor myself, because some people don't like it (OMG! Someone has a differant point of view!). Geez, if we were to apply that in reverse just think about how many posts would have to be edited. Or worse yet, if every post on the site had to be 100% politically or socially neutral (or non-politically). Just imagine how many posts would have to be edited for social liberalism .
However, I re-read my post just to be polite, figuring that maybe I mis-stated something. Perhaps I'm missing something, but it appears I pretty much said what I intended to. Let me summarize:
Many Posters: "Well the brits don't talk because Americans are a bunch of misinformed idiots who blather nonsense".
Me: "Well I think you've got that wrong since the brits are pretty misinformed and idiotic online as well".
That's it in brief. What am I suppose to say? Anti-Americanism is hip (especially for Americans) but that doesn't mean I agree with it. I've dealt with Brits online and as far as where I'm sitting it seems pretty accurate. My WoW-playing has been nothing if not multi-national, though we generally stay away from politics because once you start argueing about who is ignorant and who isn't it goes nowhere and just upsets everyone.
I happen to have many criticisms of America, but in general when I see people bashing my country one way or another, I snap right back, especially seeing as I feel that in the final equasion we're the best country in the world. OMG I know... I know... it's horrible, an American with national pride who generally supports what his country does. Shocking I know for people who when they hear "America Sux" expect a chorus of agreement, including from left wingers within the US.
... and yeah, the "we saved you during World War II" thing usually jumps into it when Britan starts screaming about how wonderful it is compared to America, and all the things it's done.
Truthfully that's a bit more politic than talking about the era of British nationalism and colonialism, where Britan decided to do a lot of the things America is accused of except for real, went on a multi-fronted war of conquest "for the good of all these savages", overextended itself, and wound up mor or less collapsing. For example, one of the reasons why South Africa seems like it's such a bloody mess was because of British Colonialism (even though those colonies became independant). Sure, we've made a big mess of things trying to fix things (putting Mandela in charge who was probably worse than the racist pro-white goverment that was there to begin with in absolute terms) but in general that's us playing clean up.
Then you've of course got the fact that nations like China, India, The Middle East, etc.. seem to have issues with seeing "The West" as seperate nations to an extent. It's not so much that they see everyone as Americans, but that they see Americans as simply the continuation of the British Empire that was all up in their face previously. Tomorrow if Australia or Britan became the dominant world power, I doubt much would change in their relations despite what people might think. It's sort of like when a Chinese guy calls another Chinese a "twinkie" (Yellow on the outside, white inside), they are being anti-white, not nessicarly anti-any nation because one thing people seem to not get is that not everyone in the world views us as seperatly as we are... and a lot of this goes back to things from WELL before the US even existed, or was anything more than a joke on a global scale.
Fine, people disagree with me, but honestly there is validity to my viewpoints whether anyone wants to admit it or not. To me at least pointing out to an Anti-American brit that we saved them during two world wars is a heck of a lot nicer and less offensive (despite what they might think) then say starting an arguement about how much more aggressive the British Empire was than America ever was, stuff like the Apartheid, and how much cr@p we're currently
dealing with that's rooted in origins well before our country ever existed.
What's more I'm one of those people who feels that it would be wrong for us to return to isolationism (for a lot of reasons), but on certain levels sort of wishes we'd do it. In the end the world needs the "World Police" and someone is eventually going to have to step in. Find someone else to be "Not America" and foot the bill. It's one thing to support it, it's another to walk point.... and in the end that's the root of a lot of the cr@p we get. It's easy to criticize when your not doing the job.