No, you are not.CantFaketheFunk said:
I tried to find the link to another thread where I said that, but... I already said that. Hilarious shit, there.
Valve Responds to L4D2 Boycott
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I tried to find the link to another thread where I said that, but... I already said that. Hilarious shit, there.
Actually, I think only time will tell when it comes to this. You don't expect Valve to come up and say "muhwahahaha, we're evil, screwing you, and enjoying every second of it". Any counter-statement by a company is going to be professional and optimistic sounding.
Let me be honest, I do not play L4D, I do not own it. Largely for lack of anyone to play with and not having a working mic. HOWEVER I cannot see how they can viably support TWO versions of the same game, one of which is going to be markedly inferior, without ultimatly shooting themselves in the foot/competing with themselves.
Honestly, a year between sequels isn't that big a deal, a lot of companies have done similar things. It's simply new for Valve.
It will be interesting to see how it all pans out, but I'm just watching from the sidelines.
Honestly, Valve will get me more interested in the franchise if they ever come out with customizable character models as opposed to choosing from one of a tiny selection of avatars.
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Let me be honest, I do not play L4D, I do not own it. Largely for lack of anyone to play with and not having a working mic. HOWEVER I cannot see how they can viably support TWO versions of the same game, one of which is going to be markedly inferior, without ultimatly shooting themselves in the foot/competing with themselves.
Honestly, a year between sequels isn't that big a deal, a lot of companies have done similar things. It's simply new for Valve.
It will be interesting to see how it all pans out, but I'm just watching from the sidelines.
Honestly, Valve will get me more interested in the franchise if they ever come out with customizable character models as opposed to choosing from one of a tiny selection of avatars.
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My thoughts exactly. I can't make sense of it.Therumancer said:
What they should've done, in my oppinion, is released it as an expansion. Same game, but all the new features. AI Director 2.0 and the new Special Infected would be put into the old game. Characters would then alternate depending on what map you're playing - aka, if you're playing the old one, you'd play with Zoey, Bill, Francis and Louis, but if you're playing on the new maps, you'd have the new cast to choose from. Weapons would be trickier, I guess, I doubt it's impossible to add a few new guns and animations to go with them to the existing characters.
Honestly, I'm a bit torn whether or not I'll actually buy the new game. The new characters don't seem as interesting as the old cast. Melee weapons... Eh, if you're allowed to carry a gun and a melee weapon, it removes the whole 'Got to save ammo'-aspect from the game and turns into a mindless spray-and-pray fest. Not so much survival from the survivors part anymore - now it's a game of what zombie can survive for the longest.
But whatever, I'm sure Valve's got this planned out. They're just not making a whole lot of sense at the moment.
I would agree with those thoughts on the whole but I can't say I have that much faith that it will all just work out in the end. I just cant see how putting out a sequel to a game like l4d in less than a year can pan out well. I also don't see how their statement has changed any thing. Just saying trust us is not showing any one up or making them look stupid in any form. I guess I will wait and see but it gives me an uneasy feeling, as its not there plot making me want an other one of these I mean I am still shooting zombies right?Rhayn said:
I meant to say that he was not alone. My bad. That's what I get for rewriting stuff. Sorry for the confusion.300lb. Samoan said:
Also: Don't distract them dammit!
Well first there's thisJumplion said:
http://www.l4d.com/blog/post.php?id=2510
I'd like to point out this is something that many people who have whinged about the lack of an SDK seem to have missed, especially since it came before the announcement. In fact, having just discovered this I wish I had discovered it sooner to shut up one particularly whiny person claiming he had waited forever for the SDK and now wasn't going to get it (bear in mind this was within 24 hours of L4D2's announcement, hence a massive jump to a conclusion. Anyway moving on....) But of course a mere beta of the L4D SDK wouldn't placate them anyway, so let's see what other "tangible evidence" we can find. Guess I'll go back to the direct source of the moment I can definitively say the boycott became silly, with this interview from Chet Faliszek.
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/06/before-its-time-valve-explains-left-4-dead-sequel-to-ars.ars
So, apparently, they have the SDK, the interconnectibility, and they're working on expanding on that to the point that they're practically cross-compatible. Yes, it sounds a little hokey, but unlike the 25k people who decided to express their unwillingness to buy very loudly and ***** about not being given an SDK they already had available to them in a misguided attempt to force policy change, well, let's just say I'm willing to sit and wait, then criticize if it doesn't work. After all, if I acted like these people I'd have been marching around the VALVe campus with a placard saying "GET YOUR MMO OUT OF MY TF2!" as soon as the Spy/Sniper update hit.
Also regarding L4D1's apparent inferiority to L4D2. So far, what I've seen is that they're not really replacing anything, just expanding. Again I can fully understand why people would not want to pay for something that would end up feeling like an expansion pack more than a full game, but then again I remember a time when everybody would line up to buy expansion packs, so maybe i'm just not completely detatched from that model just yet.
Well, with the release of the SDK, third part maps and mods will be created by third party mod developers for everyone in the community to enjoy, so the release of the SDK is actually good for everybody. In just about every valve game that's been released, it tends to be the third party content which becomes arguably the most popular. If it becomes good enough, valve adopts it as their own, hence counterstrike.Jumplion said:
Honestly, I don't care anymore. This whole situation has turned me off from the game completely, and I'm just not going to buy it. The escapist is obviously full of kids in their adolescent know it all phase, who have absolutely no concept of money or good business practice. Someday they'll grow out of it and learn to realize when they're being taken advantage of. Until then, its just not worth the energy debating with them, its literally like arguing with a wall.Jumplion said:Sure, but that's third party support. Doesn't that kind of defeat the whole purpose of everyone (mainly the boycotts) wanting VALVe to give the support?Crash486 said:
only gives me more reason to think they're lazy
As possibly the world's biggest Valve fanboy, I'm giving props to them on this one. No matter what the problem is, Valve always seems to solve it.
Weeeheeel I'd say that it's gonna be much like all the times before. People will buy the game and play it and the modding communities will get horny for the new modding tools and it'll be a roaring success, and we'll all forget about it in less than a year.
Valve is always on the edge of the release time spectrum, can't we have games in the normal 2-3 year time instead of 9-15 months and 4-6 years?