That's what I've been saying, you can't just boycott a company that has proven time and time again to bring us awesome games just because of one thing you think should have been DLC.DasMark said:
Valve Responds to L4D2 Boycott
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You got what you wanted, something Valve wanted to give you all along: continued support for the original L4D.Abedeus said:
It's like saying: "Im boycotting the sun, because it goes beyond the horizon at night. and I will continue to boycott it until it rises again! "
I lose hope in humanity, and I blame you!
Oh, I see. So if you buy an ONLINE (God damn it, you still don't get it...) and you wasted $40-$60, move to another game. And then to another game. And soon you won't have any respect for that developer, since instead of improving the game, he just makes a sequel, because it's easier.Vanguard_Ex said:
I own Left 4 Dead, I understand that it's a fucking online game. I've tried to be reasonable but if you're going to carry on being abrasive, game on.Abedeus said:
Your point is just confusing, you're basically stating how the games industry works. For example, Infinity Ward didn't stop with CoD4 and just keep improving it, they moved forward with a new game. Left 4 Dead doesn't need online play to survive, it isn't like an MMORPG. Valve have already said that Left 4 Dead was not the end result that they ultimately envisioned, and this is where L4D2 comes in. It is hardly a waste of money if you've been playing and enjoying the game for a year. Also if you're going to tell me my use of tenses is incorrect you should make damn sure that your sentences make sense.
Eh. You really don't understand, stop trying to act like you do.Vanguard_Ex said:
CoD4 has a potent Single Player mode. L4D? Bots? Bots get boring after an hour. The game was designed to be in 95% about multiplayer.
CoD4 is modern-time. CoD5 is WWII. Different settings, different weapons, different story. Besides, they've been milking that franchise for 5 games...
About the tenses - you said "You didn't have to buy L4D2 right away anyway." This implies that L4D2 came out some time ago.
I'm not worried about if its a Publicity stunt or not, I actually like the idea for a L4D sequel, i'm just worried that Valve is going to grab the wrong stick, be stupid and make a game forgeting about what made L4D great. The whole "Melee weapons" is a first thing, I sort of understand about using a baseball bat instead of your fists but; 1) Why would you WANT to go in melee against a fucking zombie horde, and more likely a Tank special infected, and 2) Why would you be lugging around a Chainsaw when you can get guns? i've seen a chainsaw! they're large fuckers! i'm not an idiot, if I was going to fight a tree I would bring a chainsaw, if I was fighting a mob of flesh eatting zombies then I would bring a shotgun.CantFaketheFunk said:
Plus the whole "Chainsaw" thing makes me feel like Valve is trying to be like Resident Evil...
However I cling to the true fact that Valve have never realeased a bad game before, but first time for everything, right?
okay its cleared up move on please ^_^
unless people are going to start bitching about half life 3 instead now -___-
unless people are going to start bitching about half life 3 instead now -___-
50 bucks says that 24,000 out of the 25,000 boycotters secretly go out and buy l4d2 and love it and just pretend they are still boycotting it.
I think one of the major misunderstandings here is that this boycott group didn't know that Valve had said they were doing more DLC for the game. In fact it's actually one of the central pillars of our argument: that Valve has always said that there will be significant DLC and has given no concrete proof of what that will entail. Can you blame us for wanting to hold the company (a company that has always shown such respect for its fans) to what it promised, and for being worried that a full sequel was announced in more detail than any DLC that would presumably be released sooner than that.
Another issue is that of the splitting of the community: this statement, in my opinion, deals with that very nicely: hopefully this interoperability that this reply is talking about would allow people playing l4d2 to access all the l4d campaigns and gamemodes in that game, and play with the l4d community on the same game. That would be a very good solution.
Oh, and to all those that are responding simply to the boycott by insulting those in it, thank you. It is gratifying to see that those of us who, in an era of increasing dislocation of the consumer from the producers wish to express our own views and concerns, and that many of you will just accept anything that any large business (even if it is Valve) releases.*
Well. Fucking. Done.
I would also like to apologise most heartily for having principles and views about something that I wish to express, as apparently it makes me a lesser member of the human race.
*And this is coming from a self-professed Valve fanboy.
Another issue is that of the splitting of the community: this statement, in my opinion, deals with that very nicely: hopefully this interoperability that this reply is talking about would allow people playing l4d2 to access all the l4d campaigns and gamemodes in that game, and play with the l4d community on the same game. That would be a very good solution.
Oh, and to all those that are responding simply to the boycott by insulting those in it, thank you. It is gratifying to see that those of us who, in an era of increasing dislocation of the consumer from the producers wish to express our own views and concerns, and that many of you will just accept anything that any large business (even if it is Valve) releases.*
Well. Fucking. Done.
I would also like to apologise most heartily for having principles and views about something that I wish to express, as apparently it makes me a lesser member of the human race.
*And this is coming from a self-professed Valve fanboy.
Doubt it - some people have forgotten this is Valve, and will think they'll do a half-assed job still. Not me personally, although I will admit to being concerned at first about the rather rapid development of L4D2.joystickjunki3 said:
Also, I'll bet you £5 that the Sony Defence Force will jump on this thread, crying out "Yeah, right"...ah.. nevermind, its already occurred.
Very true. Still, don't mind Indigo, he just hates Valve for dissing the PS3.Kwil said:
Well it isn't difficult so you're clearly so comfortable on your high horse you think that your opinion is too complex for anyone but yourself. Jesus christ you're arrogant. It doesn't matter how potent the single player is, 2-4 people can just as easily play on the same console.Abedeus said:
CoD5 wasn't Infinity Ward so it doesn't apply to what I said.
And finally, "Didn't" works perfectly well, as I am applying it to a hypothetical situation.
So either way, you win, right? If you don't get what you want, the boycott cause is justified. If you get a quote from the developer saying they're planning to do what you want, they're "meeting your demands". It's a nice place to be from an argumentative standpoint, even as far as internet debates go.Abedeus said:
It's no secret that Valve obviously had to respond to the uproar, but considering what Gabe is saying had been said mere days after the announcement, this isn't anything new. It's good that Valve is responding to your concerns, but it doesn't mean that you're actually correct in your assumptions about the sequel and what it means for L4D.
To be honest, this is the core problem I have with the cause of this "boycott" - it's predicated on a severe jump to conclusions that none of what you're saying is going to happen or that Valve does not have any intention of doing it. Any marketing cycle and any buildup to release of any game does not start with the granular details you are asking for. You get the trailer, you get the screenshots and interviews here and there, and slowly but surely, the details begin coming out. I'm personally really disappointed in how jaded gamers are these days. If a company like Valve who has a proven track record can't prove to people that they not only A)will provide the players with what they want and more arguably B)earn the right to charge for a sequel in a meaningful business decision then no game company will ever be able to prevent the kind of "turn on a dime" mentality some people have. Faith and developer equity, apparently, is at a premium.TsunamiWombat said:
It's totally your decision if you decide in November (when I honestly think most of the boycotters will have reversed their stance) not to buy the game. But you're just going to be missing out.
To insert a cheesy little reference...it's like complaining that the cake is a lie.
By that I mean to say that people are complaining about a new kind of cake before it's even done being mixed. All the ingredients are there for a new strawberry-topped chocolate cake made with super Godiva chocolate bars with vanilla frosting and triple the layers. People just need to have some patience and judge it for when it actually is close to coming out of the oven, not when they're at the mixer, honestly.
I apologize to boycotters and supporters alike for increasing desire for cake with this post.
I agree with the ones who say that the first l4d is not that great game.
The "director" simply cannot save this game, when you have to do the same map over and over again.
It's only 4 campaigns, hardly 2 hours each. You start in the same place, end in the same place.
It's not like there is much more to explore or discover. It's only about hoping to find someone good to play with and go from A to B.
I was very disappointed the first time I got to the end of it (it took a bit longer only 'cause of poor on-line players).
I played oblivion for more than 100 hours. I still play and enjoy very much Battlefield Bad Company on-line (every battle is different with up to 24 players on line), but really I can't play more than six times the same maps.
Four campaigns are barely a demo!
There's no real single player mode. And it's all about doing the same thing in the same location over and over again.
I don't care about fan made content, I have l4d for xbox 360, not for pc. When will I ever see a new campaign or new monsters or new weapons? Besides that, I want the quality the producer can give! I did not buy the game only to wait (and hope) that someone somewhere can get something good out of it! I bought it because i thought that Valve did (or could do) something good.
Moreover, as somebody said before, there's no real innovation in l4d2. Melee weapons make things only more complicated and frustrating, with people that will surely get caught in friendly fire (it already happens way too often...).
Even if (as they say) this time the campaigns will be more linked together, it will not add much more to this game (the graphics are practically the same, if not worse, music are worse -darn banjos- the characters make no difference at all since they have no story or peculiarity at all even in the first one).
They would have done better making only one good game one year later. L4d1 really looks like a beta, especially if compared to a new game.
So, bottom line.
For me, it's not as much about the new game, but about the all thing.
I paid 50? (yes, I'm Italian if you didn't get it already) the game which is far above its real value.
Since it seems that there is no real improvement in l4d2 I'm not going to buy it.
They didn't make a new game, they only made slight changes in the old one. It looks very much the same (if not worse).
I repeat, if they made something new so soon, it would be a great thing. Since it looks like they did not, is bad either for the first l4d or the last.
And it's not as much as boycotting, as about constructive criticism.
I sincerely apologize for any mistake I made writing this post, as I said I'm italian (if that could be an excuse
).
The "director" simply cannot save this game, when you have to do the same map over and over again.
It's only 4 campaigns, hardly 2 hours each. You start in the same place, end in the same place.
It's not like there is much more to explore or discover. It's only about hoping to find someone good to play with and go from A to B.
I was very disappointed the first time I got to the end of it (it took a bit longer only 'cause of poor on-line players).
I played oblivion for more than 100 hours. I still play and enjoy very much Battlefield Bad Company on-line (every battle is different with up to 24 players on line), but really I can't play more than six times the same maps.
Four campaigns are barely a demo!
There's no real single player mode. And it's all about doing the same thing in the same location over and over again.
I don't care about fan made content, I have l4d for xbox 360, not for pc. When will I ever see a new campaign or new monsters or new weapons? Besides that, I want the quality the producer can give! I did not buy the game only to wait (and hope) that someone somewhere can get something good out of it! I bought it because i thought that Valve did (or could do) something good.
Moreover, as somebody said before, there's no real innovation in l4d2. Melee weapons make things only more complicated and frustrating, with people that will surely get caught in friendly fire (it already happens way too often...).
Even if (as they say) this time the campaigns will be more linked together, it will not add much more to this game (the graphics are practically the same, if not worse, music are worse -darn banjos- the characters make no difference at all since they have no story or peculiarity at all even in the first one).
They would have done better making only one good game one year later. L4d1 really looks like a beta, especially if compared to a new game.
So, bottom line.
For me, it's not as much about the new game, but about the all thing.
I paid 50? (yes, I'm Italian if you didn't get it already) the game which is far above its real value.
Since it seems that there is no real improvement in l4d2 I'm not going to buy it.
They didn't make a new game, they only made slight changes in the old one. It looks very much the same (if not worse).
I repeat, if they made something new so soon, it would be a great thing. Since it looks like they did not, is bad either for the first l4d or the last.
And it's not as much as boycotting, as about constructive criticism.
I sincerely apologize for any mistake I made writing this post, as I said I'm italian (if that could be an excuse
).
You've pretty much said what I would have said. Stop jumping to conclusions for scat sakes. All we got was an initial announcement with a taste of what's to come. Them mentioning upgrades to the AI Director can mean a lot of different things. Anyways, I chose to simply ignore the whiners after a while. There will always be those who jump to conclusions or think they are entitled to anything.fsanch said:
Actually, no. You got owned.Abedeus said:
Gabe said he'd continue to bring out things for L4D. Then he announced L4D2.
Then the boycotters ASSUMED that this meant no L4D updates.
Then Gabe dropped some knowledge on your white ass! (Chances are, your white. So I'll stick with that.)
Point being, he never said there wouldn't be more updates even with L4D2. Nobody did, except the the boycotters.
Ironic. They were technichally fighting themselves.
God, I do love my one-liners.