Tell him "Fuck off, you little tosser" and carry about my day. They're the kind of jackass that thinks art is shitty paintings in museums, and that all shitty paintings are art.
Sometimes people are so predisposed to a certain point of view that it would take effort for me to change their mind, and I don't have time for that.
Tell me, did you ever hear of a little title by the name of Deus Ex? No? Then I don't rightly think you're an authority on the subject; and for the matter, I don't wrongly think that either.
well after i made him know my mighty nerd rage id show him uncharted 2 but then the dumb ass would probly think it was a movie......ill go with mass effect 2 then
There's alot of great examples:
Mass effect 1 & 2
Bioshock
Red dead Redemption
Portal
Shadow of the Colossus
Okami
Braid
Heavy Rain
Prince of persia: the sands of time
Limbo
Silent Hill 2
Those are the ones I can think of right now, though there are plenty more.
I would be a philosophical douche and ask him to define art and ask him to explain to me why a painting/movie/sculpture/piece of music can be called art. Once I had his criteria, then I would show him a game that proved that games may fulfilled said criteria.
There's alot of great examples:
Mass effect 1 & 2
Bioshock
Red dead Redemption
Portal
Shadow of the Colossus
Okami
Braid
Heavy Rain
Prince of persia: the sands of time
Limbo
Silent Hill 2
Those are the ones I can think of right now, though there are plenty more.
I think The Path wins this thread. It's visuals are great, and it really makes you think both during and after the game, not to mention the emotional aspect when playing as each, entirely different, Red Riding Hood in turn. Definitely art in games (take THAT, Roger Ebert!).
Oh, and just as a quick plug here (not something I've done, but something I found), for the same sort of idea but in a Flash-based, 1-bit colour (almost) setting, I highly recommend you all try out Kongregate's 'Looming'...
FFX, loved every moment of that game. Mirrors edge, that whole game was a art style. Oh yeahand portal.mainly for still alive.
Either way art is subjective so whatever I say I would be correct.
I doubt such a thing exists. I myself go by the rule: anything that challenges me to think about my views and position in todays culture/society can be classified as art. As opposed to things that are merely made for the sole purpose of entertaining me/invoking emotion. I seem to be a loner on this point in this thread though (every seems to be of the opinion that invoking emotion is art) but to clarify:
A pretty picture is not necessarily art, nor does art have to be pretty.
So yes, there's plenty of games out there I would classify as art. Shadow of the Colossus is the best example I can think of atm.
Also, someone in this thread mentioned the infamous toilet-art. Honestly, if you don't know the circumstances of the time it was made in, it's rather strange to be making judgement about it's status as (non-)art. It wasn't so much the toilet that was the art, it was the fact it was placed in a museum (unheard of before), making the museum the framing and posing the question whether or not this was true of all art. It's probably one of the most well-known examples of modern art challenging the established rules and conventions (it's still a toilet though, pretty it will never be).
There are tons of games with beautiful graphics, and tons of games with moving storylines. People who seriously make the "games aren't art" argument tend to dismiss these as games simply coopting other forms of media, and therefore have no artistic meaning on their own.
Therefore I'd look to games where the gameplay mechanics themselves are designed to evoke emotion and thought within the player. There are also plenty of games like this but <a href=http://www.kongregate.com/games/ArmorGames/one-step-back>this one i just discovered the other day. The game is about reflecting on your past mistakes, and learning to avoid them, and that's exactly how you play the game. <a href=http://www.kongregate.com/games/2DArray/the-company-of-myself>The Company of Myself does something similar.
Again there's plenty of other games that do similar things. Personally, when I played The World Ends With You, I found my feelings towards Neku's partners reflected the difficulty of the game for me:
When i first started playing, Shiki was really annoying and I had a tough time adjusting to the dual-screen combat. As her character developed she grew on me, and while this was happening I was getting the hang of the game. Then she got replaced by Joshua, who was a huge dick and SUCKS when you first meet him. Then all of sudden he busts out god powers and turns awesome, in terms of both story and gameplay. Finally Beat seems really badass when he first joins, but you learn he has weaknesses and vulnerabilities, and the game gets much harder as you approach the end of the game.
Obviously that's just my own subjective experience, and I wouldn't expect anyone else to feel the way I did about it. (Even if it is the greatest DS game of all time.) It illustrates the kind of point i'm trying to make about games, though.
Right, because the opinion of some random and clearly malicious idiot trying to put down my hobby is someone I want to take seriously and even engage in a conversation with.
besides, we all know that in the end, the whole debate on whether or not game is art is often a matter of semantics. Said theoretical dissenter's assertion that games can't be art says more about his perception of art than about the quality that videogames possess.
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id show him uncharted 2 but then the dumb ass would probly think it was a movie......ill go with mass effect 2 then
