Wacky Ahmadinejad does it again

[scotth266]

Didn't he do something similar to this here in the U.S at some college lecture? I cannot recall.

 

[Labyrinth]

Didn't he do something similar to this here in the U.S at some college lecture? I cannot recall.

Was that when he claimed that there are no homosexuals in Iran? Ugh. I can't stand that man.

It wasn't an appropriate place to say this, nor is he someone I would have chosen to make that point, but in many ways I find myself agreeing. Israel has booted a lot of Palestinians off their land, razed the buildings and built their own towns over the top. It's a bit like Swiss cheese.

And really, when are we going to get over the idea that someone criticising Israel is anti-Semitic? That's like suggesting that because I criticise western governments I hate white people.

 

[Dele]

Lets clear something right away here. Why there is so much talk about insignificant little country in the mediterranean? Because it's mostly Jewish and hundreds of millions of people hate Jews.
You now have 5 seconds to think about any other country that has state blessed racism.

Spoiler: How about...

Zimbabwe
Russia
China
Indonesia
India and nearby countries
Most of the Middle-East and Africa

Yet, the only racistic country you hear about is Israel. Over 50% of the United Nothing anti-racism meetings have been targeted against Israel and most importatly inhabited by racistic states that laugh at human rights.

I also see here a bunch of hypocrites, criticizing Israel for being founded as a racistic state, yet forgetting that their own nations have more or less been founded on racism and still are by definition of UN:

"The term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life"

Nation states are racistic by definition.

[font color=green]Intolerance[/font]
[font color=red]Misogyny[/font]
[font color=blue]Anti-Semitism[/font]
[font color=brown]Theocracy[/font]
[font color=magenta]Insanity[/font]

By your powers combined, I am Captain Islam and I hate you for being different!

Fixed

 

[the_dancy_vagrant]

Well, all this being said, keep in mind that he was addressing a council of the UN on racism, not on grievances caused by Israel. He went off topic pretty much immediately, and that made some people mighty upset.

Ahmadinejad hijacked a meeting intended to address a problem that affects every nation on the planet. Why? For the express purpose of making it known that he and most other Islamic nations don't like Israel. This is only news for people that haven't read anything or watched television in the past 45 years or so. I'll even throw in 'talked to another human being' to that list for good measure.

 

[The Infamous Scamola]

Didn't he do something similar to this here in the U.S at some college lecture? I cannot recall.

Was that when he claimed that there are no homosexuals in Iran? Ugh. I can't stand that man.

You know, in a way he's right, they probably already killed all the homosexuals in Iran.

 

[garfoldsomeoneelse]

+1 to Danzorz on the whole Israel being screwed up but summoning Captain Islam being less than a great idea. Good post.

[font color=green]Intolerance[/font]
[font color=red]Misogyny[/font]
[font color=blue]Anti-Semitism[/font]
[font color=brown]Theocracy[/font]
[font color=magenta]Insanity[/font]

By your powers combined, I am Captain Islam!

[small]Sorry for that, first thing that popped into my mind when I read "Captain Islam".[/small]

You know, picturing him in Captain Planet's hot pants is frankly horrifying.
Then again, so is picturing Captain Planet in Captain Planet's hot pants.

Oh, yeah, and you just won the game.

 

[The Infamous Scamola]

+1 to Danzorz on the whole Israel being screwed up but summoning Captain Islam being less than a great idea. Good post.

[font color=green]Intolerance[/font]
[font color=red]Misogyny[/font]
[font color=blue]Anti-Semitism[/font]
[font color=brown]Theocracy[/font]
[font color=magenta]Insanity[/font]

By your powers combined, I am Captain Islam!

[small]Sorry for that, first thing that popped into my mind when I read "Captain Islam".[/small]

President Ahmadinejad does not approve.

"Keel the infidel!"

 

[Undead Dragon King]

[font color=green]Intolerance[/font]
[font color=red]Misogyny[/font]
[font color=blue]Anti-Semitism[/font]
[font color=brown]Theocracy[/font]
[font color=magenta]Insanity[/font]

By your powers combined, I am Captain Islam!

[small]Sorry for that, first thing that popped into my mind when I read "Captain Islam".[/small]

You, sir, are a genius.

 

[The Infamous Scamola]

Your use of the word "Wacky" in the title made me smile.

urprobablyright gives the dog a bone

Why thank you kind sir.

*catches bone with mouth*

 

[Sewblon]

For once I agree with France, that is hate speech and this man is a real life troll.

 

[cainx10a]

The response to this speech is a joke. It was a hate speech in the same way that anyone who criticised the killing of over a thousand Palestinian civilians in Gaza earlier this year is anti-Semitic. The response of American news outlets and people on an American-dominated forum such as this one demonstrate the complete unwilligness to allow any criticism of Israel in the United States.

I disagree with Ahmadinejad on many, many things but the assertion that Israel is a state founded on racism is a sound one. It's raison d'être is to be a Jewish state, not a multi-cultural state for Jews and Arabs alike. The Palestinians of the Gaza and the West Bank are not afforded any rights as Israeli citizens despite the fact that they live under effective Israeli occupation. Even the Arabs within Israel proper who are given citizenship are the victims of rampant institutionalised racism of the sort which would not have look out of place in the Deep South fourty years ago.

You may well disagree with my position or Ahmadinejad's on this on this but you should respect my right to hold it. This isn't a 'hate post', it's a criticism of Israel and should be treated as such.

I am completely with you on this. Having Jewish heritage myself, I would never marginalize the shit the hebrew people have been through, but now it's all just a scheme to guilt the Western world into advancing the Jewish master race. Between the Israel lobby and the possible assassination of JFK by Mossad, it seems that, instead of just turning their backs to that region altogether, they're constantly dragged in to destroy one Arab country after another. Have you seen Munich? I don't dislike Spielberg, but that was just plain pro-Israeli propaganda.

I think Ahmadinejad is as crazy and hateful as the next person, but he's, well, kind of saying something that needs to be said.

hahahaha, what? Munich Pro-Israel?, what are you smoking? I am "anti-Israel" in the sense that I don't believe it was the right thing to give the Jewish People a piece of Arab Land to live in, but still, Munich was a masterpiece, the scene where the Mossad Agents and (was it palestinian/african-arab tero were chilling together was well done and powerful by itself).

So was the rest of the movie itself. It was not Pro-Anything.

Oh and, Captain Islam, wtf. So who is Captain Judaim (Sharon), Captain Christianity (Bush)? =D Get more pictures on the table naow!

The response to this speech is a joke. It was a hate speech in the same way that anyone who criticised the killing of over a thousand Palestinian civilians in Gaza earlier this year is anti-Semitic. The response of American news outlets and people on an American-dominated forum such as this one demonstrate the complete unwilligness to allow any criticism of Israel in the United States.

I disagree with Ahmadinejad on many, many things but the assertion that Israel is a state founded on racism is a sound one. It's raison d'être is to be a Jewish state, not a multi-cultural state for Jews and Arabs alike. The Palestinians of the Gaza and the West Bank are not afforded any rights as Israeli citizens despite the fact that they live under effective Israeli occupation. Even the Arabs within Israel proper who are given citizenship are the victims of rampant institutionalised racism of the sort which would not have look out of place in the Deep South fourty years ago.

You may well disagree with my position or Ahmadinejad's on this on this but you should respect my right to hold it. This isn't a 'hate post', it's a criticism of Israel and should be treated as such.

There's missing the point, and then there's the above post.

It's not that we are backing Israel, in fact I cannot stand that nation any more than I can stand Iran. It's like a pair of children who won't play nice, sooner or later someone like Canada is going to come along and drag BOTH of their asses into the corner for a time-out. Don't care who started what, or who did what, the bullshit just needs to end.

But the real point is that this conference was to be a measure against racism, to which Captain Islam completely ignored and spouted a cliffs-notes version of his usual tirade. Israel's leader did not come in and sputter off about Iran, at least there is no mention of it. So I'm going to assume that they came there at least willing to give friendly relations a try. Iran did not give the same courtesy. And the whole event wasn't supposed to be a forum for their retarded fight.

Khell, this time he didn't "spout cliff-notes version of his usual tirade". Well, I don't think we have been give a complete version of what he really said. But he still didn't go around to bash Israeli Jews, mainly it's racists foundations, and it's government xenophobic actions (from treating arabs as second-class citizens etc ... etc ...)

 

[The Infamous Scamola]

Khell, this time he didn't "spout cliff-notes version of his usual tirade". Well, I don't think we have been give a complete version of what he really said. But he still didn't go around to bash Israeli Jews, mainly it's racists foundations, and it's government xenophobic actions (from treating arabs as second-class citizens etc ... etc ...)

While this is mostly true, he isn't in any position to criticize Israel for being a discriminatory state, what with Iran's long list of human rights violations towards its minorities and homosexual population.

I think it's pretty safe to assume this man is an antisemite, he did after all say that the Holocaust was just a Zionist farce.

 

[gh0ti]

It's the greatest tragedy of the modern world that Israel is a religious state. How can Muslims possibly participate in a country that uses the Star of David as its national symbol? I know the idea was to give Jews a homeland (which was vital), but there is inherent racism in the existence of Israel.

 

[Dele]

It's the greatest tragedy of the modern world that Israel is a religious state. How can Muslims possibly participate in a country that uses the Star of David as its national symbol? I know the idea was to give Jews a homeland (which was vital), but there is inherent racism in the existence of Israel.

Many European countries have Christian Cross and nearly all of Islamic countries have Crescent Moon. Ohh the pain of racist countries

 

[gh0ti]

It's the greatest tragedy of the modern world that Israel is a religious state. How can Muslims possibly participate in a country that uses the Star of David as its national symbol? I know the idea was to give Jews a homeland (which was vital), but there is inherent racism in the existence of Israel.

Many European countries have Christian Cross and nearly all of Islamic countries have Crescent Moon. Ohh the pain of racist countries

But not all of these countries were founded on lands with significant populations of people of other faiths (diverse pagan groups aside). Further, these countries don't have such a troubled recent history of mutual violence between peoples of different faith. And finally, these countries are not religious states to the same extent as Israel. I used the flag as an example, but there is no denying that Israel is pro-Jewish and anti-Islamic.

 

[Dele]

But not all of these countries were founded on lands with significant populations of people of other faiths (diverse pagan groups aside). Further, these countries don't have such a troubled recent history of mutual violence between peoples of different faith. And finally, these countries are not religious states to the same extent as Israel. I used the flag as an example, but there is no denying that Israel is pro-Jewish and anti-Islamic.

Well you sounded like a typical Israeli hater to me.
75% of Israelis are Jewish which makes it quite more multi-regigious but not exceptionary compared to those other countries. Nearly all of these countries have a long history of bloody fighting against other religions (crusading/jihad, killing of group x) and many muslim states still do.
Israel may be a religious state (similiar in the way US is), but they dont ban citizens of other religion from voting. There is little inherit racism there, just like us, even if we use Christian cross in our flag and have a Christian church as our state church.

 

[chumpzilla_69]

is it just me or does "Wacky Ahmadinejad does it again" sound like a fantastic cartoon?

 

[Spyalt]

Give me a high powered rifle and a clear view and I'll show him cruel. On a side note who was clapping after his speech?

 

[Sixties Spidey]

I love this guy...

 

[Ushario]

I'm just going to skip the whole quote wall of doom thing here. This is in reply to Danzorz and I will take on his points as he put them forward.

1. The fact that someone has made racists remarks and believes something doesn't mean his words will always be racist. You must judge everthing they say on its own merit. What he said wasn't racist or inflamatory, he stated the problems and his beliefs and as usual Israel wasn't willing to listen.

2.

Speaking as someone who had a Jewish farther in Lebanon, (who fought two wars), Egyptian grand parents, has 5 closely related Muslim cousins and is Jewish and have also been to both Tel Aviv and Beirut (Yes what a shit family backround). I can not express how wrong you are in every way.

Yes you played the 'race' card, in that you said you were a Jew, and hence you were in a position to declare his speech as being racist. This was your reply to a person stating that the speech was not in fact racist.

3. The fact is that at the end of the day, the Jews and the British govermnent placed a Jewish government in power and took land that they had no right to. The land was occupied, and had been for a long time.

4. No one will ever live in harmony with you when you kick them out of their homes. Its stupid to believe otherwise.

5. The fact that people have been displaced, and killed in the founding of nations does not in any way make what the Jews and the British government did any better or morally right.

6. Their attitude was largely in response to the way in which Israel was founded.

7. I have lived in Australia my whole life, I was born here, so were my parents, and their parents. It is my nation in that I belong to it. I notice that you changed the location of where you live after your post. You aren't fooling me, thanks.

I'll finish this post later, as I have to go now, so I will be editing this for the things I have to miss.