Warhammer 40k

[eternal-chaplain]

Hmm, well you're right to say everyone plays as either the Marines or the Orcish clans.
It's an expensive game,s o get ready to pay up, but if that's an indicator of anything, you'll at least be playing with people who have matured enough to get a well paying job the offers good enough wages to pay for $70 tanks.

So if you have money, yes. Play it. However, in addition to money, you MUST have time. It takes sometime between three and four hours to paint a single soldier, and that's the small ones.

So you either won't be able to play with a fully painted army until about a year after paying for it, or you'll just do what a lot of people end up doing and play with an army of grey soldiers.

But hey, don't let that stop you, it's a great game and the Assault On Black Reach starting kit will be the best $100 you ever spend, of course you btter have an additional $40 laying around to buy paint, primer, and glue.

Man I'm jealous, WH40K isn't widely acknowledged where I live, of course we play some great Dungeons and Dragons!

 

[Okysho]

honestly whichever suits you best. I play space Marines because I like both the models and the concept of their story. Tau are cool too, if I didn't play SM I'd play them. It's completely your preference, but if you really want my input, go for Tau

 

[Vampire cat]

If your heart is set on Tau, GO TAU! Seriously, if you do not you'll regret it while sitting around fiddling with your boring Space Marines. I used to run a store selling GW products, and it's extremely clear that people chosing their army for tactical reasons don't have nearly as much fun as those that chose an army they really like (most of the time, some people are only into it for tactics and winning)...

If you can take a loss now and then, which race you chose is completely up to what YOU like the most! As of now the races are relatively balanced (or at least enough so that you can have great battles in a relaxed environment), so it won't really affect your battle-capability no matter what you chose. Just remember that very few armies play the same, most of them have completely unique and individual units and tactics that should be employed for an efficient list.

Tau are a great fun race to play, paint and model, with a decent lore too. I currently own slightly above 50 separate armies split between various GW games, Tau amongst them. Personally though I'll have to say my favorite armies are my Nuln-themed Empire army for Fantasy and the Chaos Daemons of Khorne for 40k.

ENJOY, and welcome to the hobby ^^.

Currently, Tau aren't tactically viable (most armies are rush'em and bash'em lists, and Tau just ain't that).

The Tau are perfectly capable still, from a tactical standpoint. Just because most players have tactics that do not suit Tau doesn't mean that Tau are any worse off. I've seen Tau players perform excellently against most races.

Lists can be abused, and if you play competitively your better off with a list that CAN be abused in a similar manner to create a so-called "broken" army list. However, if you are like most people and just play for fun and entertainment, this shouldn't even be an issue.

 

[Weskerbot3000]

necrons

 

[SckizoBoy]

The Tau are perfectly capable still, from a tactical standpoint. Just because most players have tactics that do not suit Tau doesn't mean that Tau are any worse off. I've seen Tau players perform excellently against most races.

Lists can be abused, and if you play competitively your better off with a list that CAN be abused in a similar manner to create a so-called "broken" army list. However, if you are like most people and just play for fun and entertainment, this shouldn't even be an issue.

True enough I guess, though honestly, I do put lists together with the express purpose of competitive play (Blood Angels are my current weapon of choice... I'm actually not touching Grey Knights for comps on principle).

Thing is, none of the races really 'fail' in casual play (even Necrons). With Tau, I think it's a case of cracking out the rail-rifles (& other pinning weapons) asap to get as much shooting done. *shrug* Transport up the Fire Warriors, since they are very good at defending objectives (gotta love R30 S5).

 

[AnAngryMoose]

Seriously want a fun army? Play Chaos. Sod cheap-o "I win all the time due to codex abuse" armies. Play Chaos and troll the hell out of the other players with your battle cries, obscure rules and hilarious effects. Turn up in costume and dance round the table like a madman for bonus points.

This. Nothing is more satisfying than sing your sorcerer to transform your opponents most prized H.Q choice into a Chaos Spawn [http://www.elfwood.com/art/r/e/redrotter//Chaos_Spawn.JPG]

 

[Vampire cat]

True enough I guess, though honestly, I do put lists together with the express purpose of competitive play (Blood Angels are my current weapon of choice... I'm actually not touching Grey Knights for comps on principle).

Thing is, none of the races really 'fail' in casual play (even Necrons). With Tau, I think it's a case of cracking out the rail-rifles (& other pinning weapons) asap to get as much shooting done. *shrug* Transport up the Fire Warriors, since they are very good at defending objectives (gotta love R30 S5).

If you do end up getting tossed into a competitive club, there is no choice but to go competitive yourself if you still want to play there. Personally I always make casual lists, and don't mind playing competitive lists and as a result lose a lot (as I enjoy the game and tend to make it fun for me and whomever I play anyhow), but if you want to win or play to win, there is only that option. Still, perfectly possible to have fun while not winning, and in casual games it's never about winning anyway, but about playing for the sake of fun and enjoyment. If you enjoy competitiveness and winning, then you know what to do!

Necrons are a seriously dangerous bunch, talk not ill of them XD. I made my Necron army about a year ago, and have won every game with them so far. I think the reason for my success is adapting the 16th century tactics I employ for my Empire armies. Somehow Necrons work extremely well with a slightly modified version of those.

Read the Art of War or something! Learning real military tactics are massively helpful while playing the game ^^. Well, if you understand how to utilize them...

 

[SckizoBoy]

If you do end up getting tossed into a competitive club, there is no choice but to go competitive yourself if you still want to play there. Personally I always make casual lists, and don't mind playing competitive lists and as a result lose a lot (as I enjoy the game and tend to make it fun for me and whomever I play anyhow), but if you want to win or play to win, there is only that option. Still, perfectly possible to have fun while not winning, and in casual games it's never about winning anyway, but about playing for the sake of fun and enjoyment. If you enjoy competitiveness and winning, then you know what to do!

Necrons are a seriously dangerous bunch, talk not ill of them XD. I made my Necron army about a year ago, and have won every game with them so far. I think the reason for my success is adapting the 16th century tactics I employ for my Empire armies. Somehow Necrons work extremely well with a slightly modified version of those.

Read the Art of War or something! Learning real military tactics are massively helpful while playing the game ^^. Well, if you understand how to utilize them...

Hehe, don't think Sun Tzu's quite necessary (I'd've just stuck with Xenophon!).

Well, I was always a 'have fun first, win second' player (it's just I go to comps a lot... usually with friends' armies 'cos I'm such a lazy hobbyist), and if I'm honest, I have more fun while I'm losing 40K games. Weird no?

Anyway, one gamer I know is a real codex breaker, and I make it a point of avoiding him while he's in a belligerent mood. Still, Necrons aren't anything to sniff at, true, but I think it's because they lack the speed (Destroyers excepted). And I honestly hate that 3/4 down rule.

 

[Zykon TheLich]

Depends what you're looking for rea
Also: E-bay. Lots of pW.

 

[Spineyguy]

Despite all the ridiculous Tau-hate you find on the internet, there are still plenty of good lists out there. I work in a shop that sells GW stock (not a GW, but a smaller retailer) and the sheer volume of Space Marines and Ork players is sickening.

Go for a Tau army, they have big powerful guns and decent armour, specialist roles are filled by Kroot mercenaries and Vespid, and there's lots of potential for conversions and interesting paint jobs in models like the battlesuits.

By all means enter the world of 40k, it's extensive and immersive and fun, but I ought to warn you that once taken up, it either chews you up and spits you out like a piece of bad meat, or it utterly consumes you, turning you into a 40k nerd. Kind of like WoW in that sense.

Come in, build, paint, play games, have fun. But above all, be original there are far too many cookie-cutter army lists and paint schemes out there, break the mould and do something interesting.

Imperial guard army using 28mm Napoleonic miniatures? Good idea! (Even if I do say so myself)

Brand new Tau unit using Lizardmen? Go for it!

Overpowered, spammy, beard-ridden 2000pt Ultramarines army list? Fuck you! *punches in face*

You get the idea.

 

[Spandexpanda]

Prepare to take out a second mortgage on your house...

 

[monstersquad]

You seem to be up-to-date. How are Chaos Space Marines faring in the latest edition? If possible, Iron Warriors specifically.

Oddly enough, despite still being a 4th Ed set up, CSM are still a viable army (in many ways, still better than normal Space Marines, better leadership, wargear, fearless troops).

For take-all-comer armies, the CSM can still keep up with the new lists (Blood Angels, I had in mind). Abaddon is still one of the bitching-est characters in CC
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But if once you've looked at it seriously, it still intrigues you, go for it. As for Space Marines, have you considered Grey
Knights? The new codex just came out, and they are SICK! Also large portions have been released in plastic, which is awesome.

*sniff* Mummy! This Codex is broken!

Seriously, though... it so is!

I agree, but there's a reason, hear me out. It's the codex creep. When the CSM codex came out, it was incredibly broken. I pretty much had to change the way I play Space Marines just to deal with the sheer offensive weight that they can bring to bear. Think about it, where else do you find such a cheap HQ as a Daemon Prince? A monstrous creature in power armor and a great invuln save, that can potentially fly/deep strike and is an enternal warrior? Come on. I mean, just come on. AND you can have 2 of them for under 300 points. AND each one of them has 4 wounds. I still remember the time when I faced off against 3 daemon princes in a daemon army. I killed 2 of them and wounded a 3rd to halfway. I still lost. Grey Knights are broken, I agree, but they're only around to get back at Chaos for all the bloody noses that went unanswered for years. Not to mention the Chaos Daemons codex (now that's broken).

 

[monstersquad]

I am content to read the fiction and play the videogames. For the emperor.

Thank you. There would by no Games Workshop if it weren't for the non-miniature enthusiasts. Once again, thank you for keeping my hobby economically feasible.

 

[Canadish]

Angry Marines are the way to go! They'll stomp your face with POWAH FEET!

 

[thylasos]

I'm a big fan, and had a lot of fun with it when I was younger, but later realised I far more interested in the surrounding media than the game itself, as well as being somewhat put off by the prohibitively high prices for small bits of plastic and pewter.

As it was I played Orks in WH40K, Witch Hunters in Mordheim, and Dark Elves in WHF.

 

[Vesuvius Hetlan]

Grey knights aren't actually all that broken from what I hear. How broken can you be if the cost of your average troops will make an apocalypse general cringe... the Death Korps of Kreig have a super competitive list from Forgeworld. Hades breaching drills... b(^///^)

Spoiler: the list

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/k/kreig.pdf

On a side note I wouldn't actually recommend buying the models. I'd say proxy them with average guardsmen...

 

[SckizoBoy]

I agree, but there's a reason, here me out. It's the codex creep. When the CSM codex came out, it was incredibly broken. I pretty much had to change the way I play Space Marines just to deal with the sheer offensive weight that they can bring to bear. Think about it, where else do you find such a cheap HQ as a Daemon Prince? A monstrous creature in power armor and a great invuln save, that can potentially fly/deep strike and is an enternal warrior? Come on. I mean, just come on. AND you can have 2 of them for under 300 points. AND each one of them has 4 wounds. I still remember the time when I faced off against 3 daemon princes in a daemon army. I killed 2 of them and wounded a 3rd to halfway. I still lost. Grey Knights are broken, I agree, but they're only around to get back at Chaos for all the bloody noses that went unanswered for years. Not to mention the Chaos Daemons codex (now that's broken).

CD isn't that broken, is it? (Mind you, haven't looked at their codex/played against them for a while.) When they first came out, I was just scared of Soulgrinders (once played against 3... all with no upgrades, dirt cheap and they just kept coming at me... brrr...).

Yeah, you're probably right, regarding the Codex creep. When Blood Angels came out, we were like... deep striking Land Raider? A land raider with wings (effectively)? Mephiston? Black Company? Fucking gimme!

Then, for the seasoned vets, Dark Eldar: dirt cheap Wyches, 4+ inv in CC? Lelith? Archon's wargear? Shit yeah!

And now, Grey Knights. Having gone through rounds of drooling and ogling (and realising the pattern), that codex just made me want to cry.

On the bright side: TOMB KINGS!!!

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Grey knights aren't actually all that broken from what I hear. How broken can you be if the cost of your average troops will make an apocalypse general cringe...

Have you tried to face down 4 Paladins + Apothecary lately?! Sure it's 350pts of pure bullet magnet, but it's also 350pts of pure bullet magnet that just won't die. Combined with 2 x Interceptors, 2 x Strike Squads & 2 x Dreadknights, I was left cackling like the psyke ward resident uber-crazy.

 

[andy25100]

Man I'm jealous, WH40K isn't widely acknowledged where I live, of course we play some great Dungeons and Dragons!

If you like D&D have you tried warhammer fantasy roleplay? done by fantasy flight games and play's like a dream.

with army selection pick which one suits your play style & yourself, so during the trial games have a go with everything til you find it.

 

[Xpwn3ntial]

Despite all the ridiculous Tau-hate you find on the internet, there are still plenty of good lists out there. I work in a shop that sells GW stock (not a GW, but a smaller retailer) and the sheer volume of Space Marines and Ork players is sickening.

Go for a Tau army, they have big powerful guns and decent armour, specialist roles are filled by Kroot mercenaries and Vespid, and there's lots of potential for conversions and interesting paint jobs in models like the battlesuits.

Come in, build, paint, play games, have fun. But above all, be original there are far too many cookie-cutter army lists and paint schemes out there, break the mould and do something interesting.

Brand new Tau unit using Lizardmen? Go for it!

Funny, because I actually want to use Cold Ones from Fantasy instead of Kroot Hound models in my army list. Going to get Aun'va later (his bodyguards rock) with an Ultrablue/Macharius orange paint scheme.

I'm thinking of doing a Kroot army with a Vespid squad later. How's that for original? Or maybe a Pathfinder/Devilfish/Skyray artillery piece army with Space Marine allies in Apocalypse?

Markerlight spam and artillery missiles, mwahahahahaha.

Are those acceptable to you?

 

[eternal-chaplain]

Man I'm jealous, WH40K isn't widely acknowledged where I live, of course we play some great Dungeons and Dragons!

If you like D&D have you tried warhammer fantasy roleplay? done by fantasy flight games and play's like a dream.

with army selection pick which one suits your play style & yourself, so during the trial games have a go with everything til you find it.

You know I've heard of something Called "Warhammer Fantasy Online." But never looked into it, is that what it is?