WARNING: Last of Us 2 has leaked

[CriticalGaming]

Ehmm..okay but I assume these were more Sony's decisions than ND's. Make sense though that they want to protect their product before it's even out and not have it damaged by a disgruntled (ex) employee. Eventhough ofcourse one can argue if copyright claims are the appropriate method to contain that damage.

The problem is, they didn't issue claims onto just videos showing of the game footage. If that was all they did it would have been fine. But they tried to flag people who just TALKED about the leaks. People sitting having a discussion with no footage at all. And that's what got people all riled up.

I am pretty sure Naughty Dog and Sony both issued copyright strikes against channels, I remember people reporting that from their youtube videos. Heelvsbabyface for one, and I think even Angryjoe had to deal with it. But certainly other smaller channels too, I guess they thought they could get away with silencing small channels because fuck the little people amiright?

 

[stroopwafel]

The problem is, they didn't issue claims onto just videos showing of the game footage. If that was all they did it would have been fine. But they tried to flag people who just TALKED about the leaks. People sitting having a discussion with no footage at all. And that's what got people all riled up.

I am pretty sure Naughty Dog and Sony both issued copyright strikes against channels, I remember people reporting that from their youtube videos. Heelvsbabyface for one, and I think even Angryjoe had to deal with it. But certainly other smaller channels too, I guess they thought they could get away with silencing small channels because fuck the little people amiright?

Yeah, but leaking intellectual property constitutes a felony so youtubers disclosing it's content basically also further facilitates this felony. For people who are bothered by spoilers it also ehmm..spoils their enjoyment for a game they may have looked forward to for years. So there is that as well. Sorry, but I can totally understand Angry Joe gets the backseat in this altogether shitty situation.

 

[CriticalGaming]

Yeah, but leaking intellectual property constitutes a felony

The original leak yes, but once something becomes widely available online, it becomes fair game to discuss.

These youtubers showed ZERO footage, and only literally discussed what was leaked which is totally fair game. Once information gets out, you have no grounds to try and punish people for discussing it. And trying to shutdown everything down in the way they did, makes it look scummy and also adds vaildity to people's concerns about the game's storyline.

 

[bluegate]

The original leak yes, but once something becomes widely available online, it becomes fair game to discuss.

These youtubers showed ZERO footage, and only literally discussed what was leaked which is totally fair game. Once information gets out, you have no grounds to try and punish people for discussing it. And trying to shutdown everything down in the way they did, makes it look scummy and also adds vaildity to people's concerns about the game's storyline.

Whine up a storm

 

[CriticalGaming]

Whine up a storm

Okay. Thank you for the contribution to the discussion.

 

[Yoshi]

Don't trust anyone. not even Sony lmao.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

The original leak yes, but once something becomes widely available online, it becomes fair game to discuss.

These youtubers showed ZERO footage, and only literally discussed what was leaked which is totally fair game. Once information gets out, you have no grounds to try and punish people for discussing it. And trying to shutdown everything down in the way they did, makes it look scummy and also adds vaildity to people's concerns about the game's storyline.

Only because it’s unenforceable at that point. Kinda like a bunch of people smoking pot at a concert; doesn’t mean they’re not guilty of a CI/misdemeanor for possession and usage. IP leaks are just a nasty side effect of the Information Age.

 

[CriticalGaming]

Only because it’s unenforceable at that point. Kinda like a bunch of people smoking pot at a concert; doesn’t mean they’re not guilty of a CI/misdemeanor for possession and usage. IP leaks are just a nasty side effect of the Information Age.

Well that's not the same thing. Because leaks are not possessions, once the information is out there it's free market. It isn't like physically having a drug on your person. You aren't guilty of leaking information by discussing that information.

It's like news outlets. Once CNN reports something, it isn't illegal for every other news outlet to then report that information as well.

Or I guess a better example would be the Fappening, when all those celebs had nude photos leaked online. Sharing those photos would be bad, but discussing the photos WITHOUT showing anything is not off limits at that point.

The original leaker broke whatever NDA they were under and can be punished for it. But the general public cannot and should not be punished for discussing those leaks unless they are also facilitating the footage by showing it directly.

 

[bluegate]

Okay. Thank you for the contribution to the discussion.

No problem.

Just wait a month and the game'll be released and everyone'll be able to discuss the game to their heart's content

Just find something else to do for the next four weeks, shouldn't be hard, right?

 

[CriticalGaming]

No problem.

Just wait a month and the game'll be released and everyone'll be able to discuss the game to their heart's content

Just find something else to do for the next four weeks, shouldn't be hard, right?

I dunno. Maneater, and Minecraft Dungeons aren't really worth discussing much. So maybe not?

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

Well that's not the same thing. Because leaks are not possessions, once the information is out there it's free market. It isn't like physically having a drug on your person. You aren't guilty of leaking information by discussing that information.

It's like news outlets. Once CNN reports something, it isn't illegal for every other news outlet to then report that information as well.

Or I guess a better example would be the Fappening, when all those celebs had nude photos leaked online. Sharing those photos would be bad, but discussing the photos WITHOUT showing anything is not off limits at that point.

The original leaker broke whatever NDA they were under and can be punished for it. But the general public cannot and should not be punished for discussing those leaks unless they are also facilitating the footage by showing it directly.

Well that's not the same thing. Because leaks are not possessions, once the information is out there it's free market. It isn't like physically having a drug on your person. You aren't guilty of leaking information by discussing that information.

It's like news outlets. Once CNN reports something, it isn't illegal for every other news outlet to then report that information as well.

Or I guess a better example would be the Fappening, when all those celebs had nude photos leaked online. Sharing those photos would be bad, but discussing the photos WITHOUT showing anything is not off limits at that point.

The original leaker broke whatever NDA they were under and can be punished for it. But the general public cannot and should not be punished for discussing those leaks unless they are also facilitating the footage by showing it directly.

It just seems like anyone that intentionally spreads information that’s under NDA whether it’s the original person or not would be at fault, since the product isn’t even legally on the market yet and information about it wasn’t legally divulged either.

I just looked up leaks/spoilers and it sounds like even that isn’t technically illegal (or at least there are loopholes of proof is indefinite), so it kinda sets a bad precedent. Basically there’s no recourse for something like this, but it seems there should be as it can and does directly effect the financial outlook of projects that take millions of dollars and years of people’s lives to make. People’s livelihoods that can even be impacted if a game ends up tainted by bad press before it’s even released, and they get no bonuses due to a lower sales . It’s no secret how user feedback can influence the perception of a game after it’s released, so why would it be any different beforehand.

 

[bluegate]

I dunno. Maneater, and Minecraft Dungeons aren't really worth discussing much. So maybe not?

Got nothing in your life going on but discussing video games? Get a hobby.

 

[Houseman]

Basically there’s no recourse for something like this, but it seems there should be as it can and does directly effect the financial outlook of projects that take millions of dollars and years of people’s lives to make.

So then, the question becomes: What's more important: Money, or freedom of speech? That's what it boils down to, right?

 

[CriticalGaming]

Got nothing in your life going on but discussing video games? Get a hobby.

But video games is my hobby and I'm in lockdown due to this global pandemic. So I kind of have nothing else going on.

Maybe you shouldn't be a dickhead. If you don't like the discussion in this thread, then ignore it.

 

[MrCalavera]

Got nothing in your life going on but discussing video games? Get a hobby.

I agree. Why do they always discuss video games in a video games section of a forum, on a site mainly dedicated to video games? Why not chat about craft beers or bathroom tiles instead? Why the fuck?

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

I agree. Why do they always discuss video games in a video games section of a forum, on a site mainly dedicated to video games? Why not chat about craft beers or bathroom tiles instead? Why the fuck?

Your avatar fits this list perfectly.

So then, the question becomes: What's more important: Money, or freedom of speech? That's what it boils down to, right?

True freedom would be like the Wild West, but those days are over. Nowadays in order to keep things civil there are certain boundaries. Should Sesame Street characters be dropping F bombs? I personally think it would be fucking hilarious, at least at first.

But restraint can be a good thing, and it’s something that could apply here or there to good effect in the long run.

 

[Houseman]

Restraint can be a good thing, and it’s something that could apply here or there to good effect in the long run.

But not here. If you start making it illegal to say things that could cause a corporation to lose money, then that just rockets us straight into the corporate-controlled dystopian future that books have been written about. "Be sure to give this game a 5 star review, or you go to jail!"

 

[BrawlMan]

Watched the State of Play. Similar to UC4, they seem to have bigger open environments for levels. Stealth looks like it's been hugely improved upon. I've seen some people complain about the violence being snuff-filmy, but I think they're highly exaggeration. Anyone remember the SAW sequels? I'll give Naughty Dog credit, they have ambition, drive, and motivation (Vergil voice)! I am still not interested story wise, but best of luck to guys. Still does not excuse your harsh work conditions. Y'all need to fix that. I know Seraphim17 is going to be happy when this game launches. Can't wait to see his Hardest difficulty, No Upgrade Walkthrough.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

But not here. If you start making it illegal to say things that could cause a corporation to lose money, then that just rockets us straight into the corporate-controlled dystopian future that books have been written about. "Be sure to give this game a 5 star review, or you go to jail!"

That’s a broad exaggeration of course, but where is the line drawn for what could be considered slander or libel. In the case of The Last of Us 2, a lot people’s minds seem already made up they’ll hate it based on a few sentences of text from some guy. Even if the statements are 100% accurate, it sounds like the game is irretrievably damaged. Would people have had the same opinion if they waited to play through the whole game, letting the characters’ performances speak for themselves?

Possibly, or perhaps not. That it happens to expose the issue of gender pandering agendas and controversy is beside the point. Maybe in this case the leaker did fans some kind of favor, if all the reports are accurate. In other cases it might’ve ruined a perfectly good story that fans would’ve loved.

It’s all entertainment to us, but it’s also a business where certain rules and standards need to apply, like anything. When everything turns into a free for all it ends reducing value and purpose of whatever is affected.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

The gameplay looks really solid from the State of Play video. I don't get why more games don't allow you to take hostages/human shields. The one thing I didn't like was the fact that you can ride horses, TLOU doesn't need a world so big that you'd need to ride a horse to get places. I wonder if the AI will be anything near what TLOU1 promised way back during it's E3 reveal. I won't be buying this Day 1 because Desperados 3 comes out June 16th.