Casual Shinji said:
Yeah, but by that logic he could also destroy a small nation, or even the U.S. when fighting a bad guy, if it meant saving the world.
So...the US is more important than the world?
I jest, but this isn't an argument. Any nation in the world isn't going to be as important as the world itself. Hard math dictates it, as awful as that might be. So, if saving the world requires some collateral damage...sorry, I'd rather the world be saved.
Casual Shinji said:
It's not like that ship was seconds away from destroying the world, it was just flying around, all of Zod's men were dead, the world engine was rendered useless, and Zod himself was too bewildered in that moment to try anything. Supes could've just exerted a little pressure on the outside of the ship, changed its trajectory, and have it crash into the ocean.
That ship was in pursuit of a human ship that was trying to stop the world engine flattening Metropolis. Supes doesn't know Zod's men are dead. If Zod suits up, he can take Supes. Pushing the ship might work, but in that time, it could shoot down the US ship, not to mention that the kryptonian craft are equipped with weaponry that's powerful enough to send Supes sprawling due to their kinetic impact.
This is getting into coulda-woulda-shoulda. In hindsight, it's easy to make better calls, but in the heat of the moment, that's not always an option.
Casual Shinji said:
The only reason Supes destroyed that ship how he did is because it looks cool watching it get zapped and crash into buildings. Because Zack Snyder just likes watching things smash and go boom.
Or, it's to show the scale and destruction of an alien invasion, that Superman isn't infalliable, and that while you can save the world, you can't save everyone in it?
Casual Shinji said:
Supes doesn't attempt to restrain him, or knock him out of Metropolis/grab him and fly him out of Metropoplis, doesn't try to mitigate the amount of destruction his and Zod's actions are causing, or try to shield other people from danger. There's a scene where Zod throws a gas tanker and Supes, which slowly sides along the road toward him. And instead of stopping it, he casually glides out of its path to let it crash and explode into the building behind him.
Again, every action is designed so that the movie can show us as much destruction as possible. Which isn't what Superman is about.
Again with this argument.
FFS, look at Zod. Supes is barely able to hold his own against him. For a lot of the fight, he isn't holding his own, and argubaly the only reason he wins is because Zod doesn't try to get out of the headlock. So, in the midst of someone who's practically your equal, your argument is...Supes isn't better. He can barely attempt to do any of these things, because he can barely do anything to Zod at all. The tanker? Sure, fair enough, if Supes wants to take the blast himself, and leave himself vulnerable.
Also, the idea of every action being designed to show us as much destruction as possible...no. Not really. The destruction in MoS has weight and gravitas behind it - there's consequences to it. BvS, in contrast, does have destruction for the sake of destruction, namely the fight with Doomsday. The port is levelled, but it's bereft of actual impact, because all that's being destroyed is some abandoned structures.
Casual Shinji said:
We never get to feel the joy of being (with) Superman in the Snyder It devalues the growth we're supposed to see him undertake in that moment. That moment itself is already interesting, because it puts us in Supes' shoes, and creates an irony to his character; He's the most powerful being in the galaxy, yet this prevents him from standing up for himself. This is can then carry over later in the film to him donning the cape and it symbolizing his dicipline in using his powers to protect first and foremost, not cause mayhem and destruction. But then the rest of the film clearly shows it's really not interested in that at all.
This is early in the film - he's at the start of his character arc, so there's no character growth to devalue. If he did it at the end of the movie, then yes, it would derail his character growth. Here, it's understandable, in terms of characterization and plot structure. Not condonable, but understandable.
Casual Shinji said:
Yes, but that's seemingly the only way the movies know how to demonstrate that he's Superman.
Got the suit, got the backstory, got the abilities, saves the people, saves the world, etc.
Casual Shinji said:
It's similar to how a lot of movies/shows depict magic. In stead of showing us the inner workings and methods behind manipulating the cosmos, it usually just resorts to someone shooting a bolt of lightning or a fireball.
How's that an issue?
The average movie is going to run 90-120 minutes. If you're going to have a film with magic, then ask yourself - how important is it to describe how the magic works? Books can do this better because they can pack in far more detail, and don't have a 'running time', whereas in films, the expectation is that you're going to watch it in one go. If it isn't relevant to the plot as to how magic works, don't waste your time with it. Or at least, don't spend time explaining what doesn't need to be explained when you could devote that time to more important aspects (e.g. character development).