I'm looking forward to the new gen. It means I'll be able to pick up a PS3 dirt cheap for the 4 or 5 games I want it for and not feel like I've been robbed!
We Really, Really Don't Need New Consoles
- Thread starter Yahtzee Croshaw
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I only bought a PS3 a few months ago, because I'll be dammed if I'm missing out on Journey, Sony Smash Bros, inFamo 2 and MGS4. I don't need a new generation, I still got half the current one to catch up on.
Bail the new console generation and stick with what I've got? Buy a big rig beautiful gaming PC instead? I thought that was my plan already. It's almost prophecy. Are you a mind-reader, Croshaw?
I can play:
--PS1, 2, 3 games
--N64 games
--Gameboy/Gameboy Advance games
--Gamecube games
and of course the unlimited number of PC games from the past and into the future. That includes just about every game from Sixth Generation and older thanks to emulation and Good Old Games. If I acquire a Nintendo DS, like I've been planning to, the number of games I can play once again goes way up.
As well, my future career depends on me having a strong computer that can run multiple heavy programs, so it's serving me outside of just entertainment as well. The attempts to make consoles more like PCs in this generation (full internet support, Facebook, Twitter, etc.) come off as just sad, because it's Sony and Microsoft assuming what I use my computer for to a fairly large degree, and they're wrong. If they didn't feel threatened by PCs, they wouldn't be trying to make "media centers" instead of fucking video game consoles.
Worse comes to worst, I borrow a friend's console. If they feel like bothering with this generation themselves, that is.
I can play:
--PS1, 2, 3 games
--N64 games
--Gameboy/Gameboy Advance games
--Gamecube games
and of course the unlimited number of PC games from the past and into the future. That includes just about every game from Sixth Generation and older thanks to emulation and Good Old Games. If I acquire a Nintendo DS, like I've been planning to, the number of games I can play once again goes way up.
As well, my future career depends on me having a strong computer that can run multiple heavy programs, so it's serving me outside of just entertainment as well. The attempts to make consoles more like PCs in this generation (full internet support, Facebook, Twitter, etc.) come off as just sad, because it's Sony and Microsoft assuming what I use my computer for to a fairly large degree, and they're wrong. If they didn't feel threatened by PCs, they wouldn't be trying to make "media centers" instead of fucking video game consoles.
Worse comes to worst, I borrow a friend's console. If they feel like bothering with this generation themselves, that is.
But Yahtzee, you charismatic stallion, how am I to justify my 300 dollar graphics card?
And my prayers have been answered!Piorn said:
Honestly, I think I could live with PS1 era graphics if the games were good. I wouldn't be bothered if we didn't see visual improvement for another 10 years or so if it meant they'd work on something else instead.
Unless they RROD or YLOD. Or DRE.kiri2tsubasa said:
I guess what I'm saying is, broken hardware is broken hardware. A BSOD is indicative that something is wrong with your PC.
It doesn't look like this gen is actually going to see a price break for ditching backwards compatibility. It also isn't really the end-all that you can hook multiple consoles up to your TV.rasputin0009 said:
For like, a month or two. The PS4's already dated, and it's not out yet. Then we run into the same "problem" all over again.
I think Nintendo was right to put out a new console so they could step it up graphically now that HDTVs are in most households and they are losing out on games because the Wii couldn't run them. I think Sony and Microsoft are right in upgrading, but they are doing it horribly. No backwards compatibility and so much hardware that they have to be sold at a tremendous loss. My PC has 8 GB of RAM, but I need to run an OS in the background and I can still have my game on max, music playing, and a browser open in monitor number 2 without the slightest problem. What the hell is a console going to do with that much memory?
The AAA industry varies a lot. While EA and Co. may be saddened by a lowly 2 million in sales, Nintendo looks at the market and doesn't try and over-hype games to the point that they NEED to sell millions of units. Skyward Sword sold "only" 3.65 million and Nintendo didn't put out any statements about how disappointed they were, though I'm sure they were hoping for closer to 5 million. It's all about the company and how they treat games.
The AAA industry varies a lot. While EA and Co. may be saddened by a lowly 2 million in sales, Nintendo looks at the market and doesn't try and over-hype games to the point that they NEED to sell millions of units. Skyward Sword sold "only" 3.65 million and Nintendo didn't put out any statements about how disappointed they were, though I'm sure they were hoping for closer to 5 million. It's all about the company and how they treat games.
lolwhaaaaaaat?1nfinite_Cros5 said:
There's nothing probable about a second video game crash. Even if the big companies fail, they're not going to have the massive impact that the Atari generation had.
Gaming has passed the fad threshold.
Normally I don't completely see eye-to-eye with you Yahtzee (usually over the minor things, I'll admit). However, I have to say A-fucking-men to this; you hit the nail dead center. I started my gaming on the Xbox, but have slowly been moving over to the PC for the past 5 years because the companies in charge of the consoles don't seem to grasp this one basic point.
You don't want an actual crash. I don't think anyone who says they want a crash understands what a real crash is likely to do to gaming. Or, more appropriately, what it won't do for gaming.Vhite said:
The real question with indie games would be "would that be enough to sustain the distribution services required to keep them mainstream?"
That result, too, might not be what you would hope for.
So in short, let me ask: is it wrong of me to sort of want you to get your wish to see how all the people calling for a crash react when they get what they said they wanted?
I truly don't mean to sound rude, but this complaint is not relevant.kiri2tsubasa said:
Why? I would fall back on my old analogy:
"Your PC is like your home. Keep it clean, tidy, and you're unlikely to have any trouble finding anything. Occasionally, some things in your home will need maintenance and may be broken. You have to accept the fact that your PC must be treated equally as such."
That's just my $0.02 on the matter. If you're not good at it inherently, a lot of times da 'googs' can be quite helpful if you're proficient enough in search engine 'key words.'
Eh, I wouldn't go that far, ps1 games, at least the 3d ones were pretty damned ugly. Late PS2? Sure I guess but let's not underestimate visual fidelity and authenticity. Graphics should certainly not be the main focus. I for one do not feel I would be anywhere near as big into gaming if this [http://twinfinite.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/FFVII-CLOUD.jpg] was what 3d games generally looked likeZachary Amaranth said:
Is it really? People are able to do pretty cool optimization trickery when working with consoles because everyone has the same hardware, which is why our current consoles survived so long on like half a GB on RAM. Also, no it's not really dated. Yea it's not on the absolute cutting edge but it takes a pretty long time for that cutting edge to reach the point where it's dated. All of my hardware is at least 4 years old and it was never at the absolute cutting edge yet I still seem to be able to run most games on high.
Well it's in a better place than ever before. The emulation teams out there really have made some huge strides in making everything more user-friendly, usable and stable. You'll still need to go through a short guide and get your hands on a "legal" (open to interpretation) BIOS of what you want to emulate, but after that it's fairly smooth sailing.l3o2828 said:
The best part is the ability to insta-save games at any moment, the emulator simply freeze-captures that emulated frame (at that point in time) and you can continue from that exact frame later.
Oh and playing PS2 classics rendered at 1920x1080 with 4x anti-aliasing = your mind will be blown. The entire graphics engine gets re-rendered at that resolution and games like Shadow of the Colossus, Final Fantasy X-2 and Zone of the Enders: 2nd Runner look better than most PS3 games!
So Yahtzee wants another 8 years of ridiculous load times, the samey plastic man graphics from Unreal Engine 3, upwards of 3 discs for Xbox, mandatory instals, re-skinned games labeled as sequels with zero improvements....You'll deal with all of that and more, just so you can play a bunch of PS2 games on your launch fatty or a third of Xbox1 games on the 360. And we're siting the WiiU as the example of why we don't need new consoles?
This gen can't end fast enough.
Lastly, I'm so tired of people crying about BC. Just keep your Xbox/PS3. No one is forcing you to trade. /stopbitching
This gen can't end fast enough.
Lastly, I'm so tired of people crying about BC. Just keep your Xbox/PS3. No one is forcing you to trade. /stopbitching
for it's simply that point in time when gaming becomes all about tech and graphics instead of just...gaming. it's prob the few times in life when I end up watching movies or tv shows instead of playing games in my free time.
I suppose this is where people start to laud pc gaming but again lol "techs and graphics" ...Netflix is waiting
I suppose this is where people start to laud pc gaming but again lol "techs and graphics" ...Netflix is waiting
I'll hold on to the wait and see approach. For the time being I still have dozens of great current-gen games to play. I must admit that I have not seen a single thing about the next gen that excites me, but I'll probably get a PS4 later in its life cycle.
The precedent that PC has where my PC is pretty much backwards compatible with everything, including any console that came out before the PS2, and the PS2's introduction of BC to the market makes it a reasonable demand. I played through all of FFIX on an emulator and could have well done so on a computer worse than the PS4. Apparently Persona 4 is perfectly playable on a PS2 emulator, those are my favorite games of the last two generations. Why the hell can't the PS4 at least have a disk-check and software emulation system so I can at the very least do that on there? Are you seriously telling me that the less-than-2MB ePSXe's functionality is beyond the scope of the PS4?Mr_Terrific said:
I don't want to fiddle around with my 360 and PS3 if I have 720 (unlikely) and PS4 (Likely). I want to buy my console, set it up, and be done with the back of my TV. I have sat on games I've owned for months because I couldn't be assed to move consoles from one TV to another because it's a hassle.
Why does it matter whose "end" the problem is on? It's still a problem. And most people don't need to call tech support for their consoles, but their PCs. And if there's anything customers love, it's being told that the problem is their fault.grumpymooselion said:
Do you really expect people to change? There's no way that people are going to go back to PC gaming in significant numbers. It's a niche market because console gaming works better for the average person.
I can honestly say I will not want a PS4 or new Xbox even when the only new games on the market are for them. Actually, that's not even true. The PC will, if the trend of shutting down indie platforms continues, be the only place to get non-AAA games. If the trend of homogenizing AAA games to acquire bigger audiences and thus (they suppose) more profits continues, there will a tapestry of interesting exclusive experiences on the PC and the new consoles will have... Resident Evil 7? Call of Duty Modern Warfare 4?Catch 52 said:
Grand Theft Auto VI? New NEW Super Mario Bros. U?
Sorry, started ranting there. I'm very frustrated with triple-A game development at the moment. The point is, if the new consoles are as big of a flop as I expect, time alone will not be enough to mend it. With so many sequels and little room for new IP it will hard for a new, fresh generation to get into the major systems too. I can't decide if I want Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo to learn and improve or crash and burn horribly. I think either result will be good for gaming and gamers in the long run.
Now in all fairness, buying a Wii-U dev kit does give you a free Unity Pro license, making it stupidly easy to port your games to less restricted platforms. I'm not sure what the cost of a dev kit is, but considering that a Unity Pro license is $1500, the remainder of the cost you pay is probably pretty small.