Westboro Baptist Church, Wikileaks Troll Steve Jobs' Death
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I know what he meant by it. It's just too easy to misinterpret when taken out of context which was what I felt needed pointing out. It was half-jokingly anyhow.thiosk said:
I don't have a link to it but I bet someone must have gotten sued for something like that, it's just too stupid to not have happened in the US with the justice system that it has
.The gun nuts are the people who agree with them. A bunch of fag-bashing republicans? Sure, they might be pro-military, but the redneck contingent of the USA is just as hateful of homosexuals as the Phelps' cult. They probably see the cult as a net neutral.Jimbo1212 said:
I don't see where any of those things apply here.LorienvArden said:
1) Schizophrenia suggests that they have paranoia or dissociative identities or some such, and I see none of that in the Phelps' cult.
2) They have never done violence, but quite the opposite: They make their money by suing when violence is done against them.
3) They're not incompetent, they're just assholes. They know they're being assholes, and they're doing it on purpose.
4) Again, they've never disturbed the peace. The people who disturb the peace, or come closest to it, are the folks who attack the cult for protesting peaceably as permitted in the Constitution.
5) What are they 'depreciating' about religious teachings? Nothing they espouse publicly goes against the Bible.
Finally, yes, damn it, everything they say is very Christian. I see a lot of people here, in other threads, and honestly everywhere, who suggest that the Phelps' cult doesn't know their Bible - but they certainly do. I'm sorry that people have decided to pick and choose the parts of the Bible that they like, and ignore the bulk of it, but the book certainly does say that gays are deserving of death. It certainly does say that believers should praise God in all things and spread the word with a joyous voice, and get this - it even tells them that they will be hated for it, and that this is a sign that they're doing it right.
Again, I'm sorry that you have this liberal-minded, watered-down version of Christianity -- actually, no. I'm not sorry. I'm glad, because it's better. Your version - indeed, the versions of Christianity espoused by everybody here so far, are so much better, kinder, more humane, than the real deal. I just wish folks realized that the real deal is terrible.
EDIT: Before anyone tries to nail this post for attacking their religion, read that last bit a second time. I'm not attacking you, far from it - I'm lauding you for being a good person. I'm praising you, because you are so, so much better than your holy book would have you be.
See, I agree with the cynical angle that Aeishi took - after all, Bill Gates gives MIIIIIIIIIILLIONS to charity, and he still gets flak, just for being wealthy. What Jobs dis with his money, was his business. IT doesn't make him a worse person than Bill Gates.Khada said:Perhaps the question is should he care what some select people say if he knows he is doing a good thing? It would be a far cry better than doing nothing with a greater spendable wealth than the county he lived in.Aeshi said:Why should he have done that? so the masses can go "oh it's just a PR stunt that doesn't count" and then go right back to bashing him?Khada said:I didn't mean to be aggressive towards you at all. Just asking
I did some research after my post and found out that Mr Jobs was pretty much against acts of philanthropy and never bothered to do anything with his money/power. I don't mean to disrespect the dead, but I do not morn his passing. I simply can't bring myself to think much of someone who finds him/her-self in such an awesome position to do good in a world that desperately needs it and yet does nothing, even with their impeding demise known to be on the near horizon.
It just makes Bill Gates a better person than Steve Jobs.
Overly religious people try my patience. People are taking the bible way to literally. I'm reading it now from an academic standpoint and the whole point of the majority of the bible is SELF control. If you worship your iphone that's you're problem lol! and it's not so much worshiping things so much as focusing your life around them. If you focus your life around money or material possessions then the rest of your life suffers. I.E. you are so money focused you neglect your family or screw over other people in order to get ahead. And that's what I think they mean by "worshipping false gods" But that's YOUR decision. Not the fault of Steve Jobs.
And the entire message of the new testament is Forgiveness and "turn the other cheek" or how about the parable of making sure you pick the thorn out of your own eye before you try to pick the thorn out of your neighbor's eye?
The way of the new testament is a very peaceful and positive approach... not these accusatory protests about a man who was a genius of our times. Everything in moderation folks everything in moderation.
Anyway I'm not a crazy religious nut I just happened to be reading the bible and I find it crazy just how much hypocracy there is in the christian faith now a days. Carry on all.
And RIP Steve jobs. You were a great man.
And the entire message of the new testament is Forgiveness and "turn the other cheek" or how about the parable of making sure you pick the thorn out of your own eye before you try to pick the thorn out of your neighbor's eye?
The way of the new testament is a very peaceful and positive approach... not these accusatory protests about a man who was a genius of our times. Everything in moderation folks everything in moderation.
Anyway I'm not a crazy religious nut I just happened to be reading the bible and I find it crazy just how much hypocracy there is in the christian faith now a days. Carry on all.
And RIP Steve jobs. You were a great man.
Well I'll be darned.
Actually, I'm not that surprised.
Now, I'm thinking when members of the WBC die, their funerals should be protested, show them how it feels.
Kicking grieving family members when they're down is never fucking funny. Funeral protests should be illegal.
Every member of that pathetic excuse for a religion is either evil, or brainwashed.
Really, there's not much to be done about them, though. If they're forced to disband, they can just rename the religion.
Sucks, don't it?
In all seriousness, I'll leave my usual comment. How is celebrating at memorial sites illegal, while funeral protests are covered by free speech?
Actually, I'm not that surprised.
Now, I'm thinking when members of the WBC die, their funerals should be protested, show them how it feels.
Kicking grieving family members when they're down is never fucking funny. Funeral protests should be illegal.
Every member of that pathetic excuse for a religion is either evil, or brainwashed.
Really, there's not much to be done about them, though. If they're forced to disband, they can just rename the religion.
Sucks, don't it?
In all seriousness, I'll leave my usual comment. How is celebrating at memorial sites illegal, while funeral protests are covered by free speech?
Yeah, if it's forced euthanasia, it's not really assisted suicide, is it?Dumbfish1 said:
At least I'm open with my desire for the bigots of the world to die painfully.
Sorry, but no.themerrygambit said:
In the Tanakh/Torah, God is a wrathful, evil, megalomaniacal tribal god, but at least he's forthcoming about it. Savage, yes, but a forthright kind of savage. Given that, in the old testament, there is no mention of Hell, and honestly, little of any afterlife whatsoever.
Compare this to the new testament, where he sacrifices himself to himself basically to negate the rule of blood sacrifices for atonement. Now, you can just apologize for whatever you've done, and you're solid. Good, right? Well, no. Because now Lucifer the Accuser has been retconned into Lucifer the Betrayer, the Satan, and he's had a whole anti-heaven created just for him - a place with nothing but eternal torment and a shitty landscape.
Wouldn't be so bad if it were just for Lucy, I guess, but people can go there, too, and the criterion is not some heinous crime or anything like that - the criterion is simply that you didn't say you were sorry about something or, even worse and unforgivable, you were an apostate. You can be tortured forever, simply because you didn't believe, simply because the stories didn't add up for you.
The stories don't add up for me. That makes me an apostate. The same can be said for Bill Nye, Bill Gates, Morgan Freeman, Matt Groening, Carl Sagan, Neil Peart, Larry King, Douglas Adams, Lance Fucking Armstrong, George Carlin, Bruce Lee, Ian McKellen (you know, Gandalf and Magneto), Jamie Hyneman and Adam Savage of the Mythbusters (fuck yeah), and millions of others - many of whom are probably some of your favorite TV and movie actors or comedians. The stories don't add up, and so we don't believe them - that makes us apostates, wholly unforgivable. Do you think we all deserve to be tortured forever? Simply because we found the stories unconvincing?
It's infinite punishment for a finite crime or, in this case, something that shouldn't be considered a crime at all. That's much more - necessarily infinitely more barbarous than anything the old testament ever threw at us.
Look - I'm glad that you've decided that you like the good parts of the Bible. Like I said earlier in the thread, I'm glad that so many people are so much better than their scriptures say they should be, but I really wish people would take those good parts and run with them independent of the scriptures.
Compare this to the new testament, where he sacrifices himself to himself basically to negate the rule of blood sacrifices for atonement. Now, you can just apologize for whatever you've done, and you're solid. Good, right? Well, no. Because now Lucifer the Accuser has been retconned into Lucifer the Betrayer, the Satan, and he's had a whole anti-heaven created just for him - a place with nothing but eternal torment and a shitty landscape.
Wouldn't be so bad if it were just for Lucy, I guess, but people can go there, too, and the criterion is not some heinous crime or anything like that - the criterion is simply that you didn't say you were sorry about something or, even worse and unforgivable, you were an apostate. You can be tortured forever, simply because you didn't believe, simply because the stories didn't add up for you.
The stories don't add up for me. That makes me an apostate. The same can be said for Bill Nye, Bill Gates, Morgan Freeman, Matt Groening, Carl Sagan, Neil Peart, Larry King, Douglas Adams, Lance Fucking Armstrong, George Carlin, Bruce Lee, Ian McKellen (you know, Gandalf and Magneto), Jamie Hyneman and Adam Savage of the Mythbusters (fuck yeah), and millions of others - many of whom are probably some of your favorite TV and movie actors or comedians. The stories don't add up, and so we don't believe them - that makes us apostates, wholly unforgivable. Do you think we all deserve to be tortured forever? Simply because we found the stories unconvincing?
It's infinite punishment for a finite crime or, in this case, something that shouldn't be considered a crime at all. That's much more - necessarily infinitely more barbarous than anything the old testament ever threw at us.
Look - I'm glad that you've decided that you like the good parts of the Bible. Like I said earlier in the thread, I'm glad that so many people are so much better than their scriptures say they should be, but I really wish people would take those good parts and run with them independent of the scriptures.
I'm not sure I'd go the 'great man' route - I think you have to do a bit of philanthropy to score that title. I'll give him credit all day, though for being a marketing mastermind, and a design genius. I hope the new guy leads as well as he did -- and also hope that he doesn't try to push into the serious computer market. >_>
Love my Apple Phone. Hate Apple Computers.
EDIT: Wow, my original post left out the on-topic bit. -.-;;
No one deserves to die, and you shouldn't hate the WBC, you should pity them. From an early age they have this religious bullshit drilled into them, with 'prayers' and daily picketing. You watch footage of them protesting, and you see they've got young kids with them, like really young, holding up "God hates fags" signs. Not only are they indoctrinated with this crap, but any of them that show signs of rebellion are kicked out of the family, and ignored.binnsyboy said:Yeah, if it's forced euthanasia, it's not really assisted suicide, is it?Dumbfish1 said:
At least I'm open with my desire for the bigots of the world to die painfully.
It's easy to hate someone, but shouting and screaming at them isn't going to make them change their views.
Calm down mate, I was joking. I'm well aware that their children are pretty damn brainwashed.Dumbfish1 said:No one deserves to die, and you shouldn't hate the WBC, you should pity them. From an early age they have this religious bullshit drilled into them, with 'prayers' and daily picketing. You watch footage of them protesting, and you see they've got young kids with them, like really young, holding up "God hates fags" signs. Not only are they indoctrinated with this crap, but any of them that show signs of rebellion are kicked out of the family, and ignored.binnsyboy said:Yeah, if it's forced euthanasia, it's not really assisted suicide, is it?Dumbfish1 said:
At least I'm open with my desire for the bigots of the world to die painfully.
It's easy to hate someone, but shouting and screaming at them isn't going to make them change their views.
How abou instead of trying to kill Christians, you try to kill off faith and dogma? The problem is not the people - it's how the people think. Faith -- believing things without supporting evidence, or in the face of contrary evidence -- is a problem, because it sets all your ideas up for failure across the board. Dogma is a problem because it sets rules in stone, and disallows further examination of one's beliefs. Together these are a perfect recipe for crusades, witch hunts, the God's Liberation Army, and airplane-borne wrecking crews.SinisterGehe said:I once planned to make a statue out of clay that resembles Jesus on cross and then get some depleted Uranium^223 or Plutonium, or the any of the radioactive gold isotopes. Hide them inside the statue then ship it to them as a "gift from a believer - you are doing the right thing, may God's light radiate upon you"...imnotparanoid said:
But then my dreams were shattered because according to UN, that is considered to be international terrorism...
Oh well I can always dream of destroying those who do not respect humanity and what it has achieved.
On topic... When their member dies next time, I think I will travel to US just to picket hes funeral. But whoever did the Wikileaks shit clearly didn't know that Steve had announce hes cancer... LONG AGO!!!
Sigh. I hate humans...
Instead of killing the people, why not inform them instead? There are brilliant people of faith , who could be so much more brilliant if their faith didn't get in the way of their contributions to humanity. Faith already has a high enough body count. Don't add to it.
If you associate homosexuallity with a god wrought plague, HIV with gods wrath and consuming apple products with worshipping the devil - then you qualify for a dissociative disorder. not a disociative personality disorder, but shizophrenic nevertheless.Bento Box said:
Picekting funerals, ruining the last moments of a familiy to mourn their beloved is NOT violence ? No, they certainly never got cought punching somebody- though they tell everyone clearly they wished you died because you sinned. If somebody discusses how they want to rape and kill somebody - wouldn't you hope the police arrested them BEFORE they actually killed said someone ?Bento Box said:
They are sociallyincompetent - meaning they are incapable of functioning and living with other people without any major problems. As the dear Phelps have a habbit of inciting picket lines and protests against most of society, they clearly are associal. They certainly have a knack of luring other people to their cause - so perhaps they should form another society somewhere else - preferably in the middle of greenland or the Kongo.Bento Box said:
So if a landmine detonates in a subway station, the terrorist who placed it didn't disturbe the peace, but the one who happened to step on it and caused the explosion did... interesting rationale I have to say.Bento Box said:
We begin with christianity itself, for smearing the teachings of christianity a shitmustache and replacing everything from forgiveness to honesty with hate and more hate. I am pretty sure you will find juicy tirades of those nutjobs how beeing a muslim or jew is sinnfull worship of the devil as well.Bento Box said:
I am sorry that it takes a religion major to tell you this - but if you take the bible litterally then you can not live in modern society.The book of leviticus certainly spells out that beeing gay is a sin before god, but it also says some damn nasty things about how women should be treated and also makes killing in revenge totally ok and cool.Bento Box said:
Thing is - this was written during the f*ing exodus where people where traveling a quite epic journey and had to be kept in line by drastic measures. It simply doesn't apply anymore. If you take the rest of the good book and actually put 2+2 together then there is just ONE tennant that god requires of you: L O V E.
You are required to love god. You are required to love your other people. Thats what the cross is symbolising and why that fellow called jesus was willing to torture himself for.
As an added benefit: "Though should not take the name of God in vain." I think for that one the phelps will burn burn burn.
Even if you disregard the whole new testament and only focus on the old one, no - christianity itself is supposed to be about respecting each other, self sacrifd peacefull coexistance. Why in dear heavens did god liberate his people from slavery ? Why did he protect Cain from reprecussions from his peers ?Bento Box said:
If you add the new testament you certainly can view attoning for the inherited sin as a bit of a burden - might also motivate you to simply live a healthy and productive life instead.(catholic) Or you disregard it and realize that jesus allready absolved you of your sins and you only have to attone for the sins before yourself (protestant interpretation)
There is no shed of a doubt that christianity has been abused for quite a few tragedies in the past, simply by disregarding "You shall not kill" and bending choice passages of the bible to support your views. As Quoted before "I like your christ, but not your christians" There simply are way too many who call themselfs believers because they attend chruch every sunday. Not a fault of the faith but of people to stupid to follow a four word direct command.
You keep using that word "liberal" but I suppose you do not understand what it means...
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/liberal
Lastly, please do not assume that I am christian. As I was quite dissatisfied with christianity I chose to learn about it and disect it.
God is in me and my pleasure is the only sacrament I desire. When in the open, I tread lightly as to not disturb anyone. If anyone disturbes me, I ask them to stop. If they persist, I destroy them.
I hold no love for Steve Jobs, though I can appreciate what he and his company have done for the technological world (it's just a shame that he didn't go on to become the best used car salesman ever) but these WB cultists just make me sick.
Where's a psycho with more shotgun shells than sanity when you need one?
Where's a psycho with more shotgun shells than sanity when you need one?
How do you teach a person who doesn't want to be taught? I am sure if it would be that simple, the Age of Enlightenment would and the 1800ths with it science and everything would have driven religion off the face of the humanity. Fact is, you can't kill ideas...Bento Box said:How abou instead of trying to kill Christians, you try to kill off faith and dogma? The problem is not the people - it's how the people think. Faith -- believing things without supporting evidence, or in the face of contrary evidence -- is a problem, because it sets all your ideas up for failure across the board. Dogma is a problem because it sets rules in stone, and disallows further examination of one's beliefs. Together these are a perfect recipe for crusades, witch hunts, the God's Liberation Army, and airplane-borne wrecking crews.SinisterGehe said:I once planned to make a statue out of clay that resembles Jesus on cross and then get some depleted Uranium^223 or Plutonium, or the any of the radioactive gold isotopes. Hide them inside the statue then ship it to them as a "gift from a believer - you are doing the right thing, may God's light radiate upon you"...imnotparanoid said:
But then my dreams were shattered because according to UN, that is considered to be international terrorism...
Oh well I can always dream of destroying those who do not respect humanity and what it has achieved.
On topic... When their member dies next time, I think I will travel to US just to picket hes funeral. But whoever did the Wikileaks shit clearly didn't know that Steve had announce hes cancer... LONG AGO!!!
Sigh. I hate humans...
Instead of killing the people, why not inform them instead? There are brilliant people of faith , who could be so much more brilliant if their faith didn't get in the way of their contributions to humanity. Faith already has a high enough body count. Don't add to it.
It is easy for people who don't understand the complicated word to take a grip on something supernatural. If that supernatural brings the feeling on comfort and safety you can not just rip it off them. I am sure that you wouldn't want to give away your coat if you are feeling cold and I say that according to the thermometer it is not that cold here, you could survive without the coat easy - will you hand your coat to me? It has been seen in social science many times, no matter how violent or troubled the mother is, no matter how much she beats or hates her child the children will always get defensive when you talk bad about their mothers, it is the same in the nature, no matter how much the mother attacks the pup, it wil continue following the mother.
Religion is like that, it is safety and comfort for those who do not understand or want to understand, you can not educate them out of their beliefs, they will just retaliate - they will go defensive, they will do anything to make sure that their personal world view doesn't get shattered. When Christians were being hunted by romans, they went underground, they lied about their faith, they hide their religion from the sight of those who were out to get rid of it. Jews have been hunted because of their religion for thousands of years and what did they do... diaspora. They shattered in to thousands of small pieces than can not all be retaliated, they religion and ideology was saved.
If we think religion as some kind of bad idea, a ghost of mid, something that is bad and should be removed - which I do, for the most parts. It can be removed either by proving to the person that hes believes are wrong, hes way of thinking can be changed via 'therapy' - mind control. Melt, reinforce, set, but this method has been proven only to work for short period of time, the old ideas will submerge sooner or later. And as science knows, therapy doesn't work unless the subject embraces it, it wont work unless the subject wants it to work. We can not change the set mind state of a human, it must change it itself. We can not force religion to disappear, we can only offer other answer to the mystery of life and existence of everything and hope that those who still hang on to the old views and beliefs will take them and embrace them.
It has been proven in the history that you can not kill ideas - ideologies to be exact. There will always be someone who survives with the the ideas or someone who finds them again. Humans have for thousands of years tried to eradicate views that they have not approved with, they have all survived until they disappear in to the mist of majority. No one hangs on the old beliefs of Kalevala - the epic poetry and mythology of Finland. But almost every Finn can recite you how the basic plot and stories go, we know them, but hundreds of years of education and force feeding Christianity did it's job, no one anymore lingers to the old ideas. The Finns were never happy with their forced beliefs and that is why out country soon has a majority of atheist and people of do not belong to a church/religion.
We can not force ideas out of people's heads, we can only offer other ideas and hope. But we can remove the people who hold these ideas, but they can remove us as much as we can remove them.
I dream of eradicating religion of this world, I wish people would see the reality in its whole beauty and not cloud their views by supernatural filters. But I can only dream, but I will never act violently towards anyone for their ideas, I will not go as low as religion has gone in order to force people to their dogmas. I will give a warm welcome to anyone who wants to accept my view, but I will retaliate - intellectually - who tries to force theirs on me.