firstly: I've got 18 replies to my previous post in this thread in my inbox and I tried to go through methodically (ignoring the people who agreed), but I apologise if I forget to respond to someone.
secondly: this is gonna be long
thirdly: I am not religious
Feralcentaur said:
Purple Shrimp said:
internet atheists who won't shut up about their whiny and poorly thought out beliefs that "THE WORLD WULD BE A BETTER PLAICE WITHOUT RELIGIN" are high on the list
Somewhat related to this quote: People who refuse to admit that religion has caused at least
some Human suffering in the world.
When people who when trying to mock someone who disagrees with them they misquote them and will say it in a silly sounding voice or purposely misspell words in attempt to make the other person seem stupid instead of actually addressing their argument and giving a counter argument.
=D
...And people who are passive aggressive in their posts. [sub]Hypocrisy ftw?[/sub]
I accept that religion has caused at least
some Human suffering in this world, but I don't think that it's religion itself rather than people using it as a pretext to take control of something or cause suffering, which isn't the fault of religion. also I acknowledge that I probably should have made my argument in a less inflammatory way but the passive aggression, misspelling etc was just a (bad?) attempt at humour
Romidude said:
Purple Shrimp said:
internet atheists who won't shut up about their whiny and poorly thought out beliefs that "THE WORLD WULD BE A BETTER PLAICE WITHOUT RELIGIN" are high on the list
Well, it would be, if you think about it.
OT: People who hate things just because they don't understand it.
nope, unless
a) you can give me an example of a single bad religion-related thing that wouldn't have just occured with a different pretext if religion didn't exist
b) you can prove to me that it's not true that millions of people have used religion to their benefit by gaining a meaning to their lives
(you can't; you can't)
UmJammerSully said:
Purple Shrimp said:
internet atheists who won't shut up about their whiny and poorly thought out beliefs that "THE WORLD WULD BE A BETTER PLAICE WITHOUT RELIGIN" are high on the list
I've been here about an hour and this is my...4th? Maybe 5th post in total? I have seen literally about 7 or 8 posts just like yours and no sign of this character you have made up that types in all caps with bad grammar.
you should check out the religion and politics section then, if you're willing to ignore the spelling errors and capitalisation then every opinion there is just that
Trolldor said:
Purple Shrimp said:
internet atheists who won't shut up about their whiny and poorly thought out beliefs that "THE WORLD WULD BE A BETTER PLAICE WITHOUT RELIGIN" are high on the list
I find the inability to spell or punctuate quite horrifying.
It just makes me weep how little people appreciate the power of punctuation.
do what you want
Do what? You want...
Do what you want?
Do what you want!
Do what you want!?
The only other thing that grates my cheese are people who try to normalise pedophilia or its derivatives.
I'm aware that punctuation can be important in clearing up ambiguities in sentences (although yours is a pretty terrible example), and if you can give me an example part of my post that is ambiguous without punctuation I'll be happy to correct it.
Uriel-238 said:
Purple Shrimp said:
internet atheists who won't shut up about their whiny and poorly thought out beliefs that "THE WORLD WULD BE A BETTER PLAICE WITHOUT RELIGIN" are high on the list
1. People who use revealed scripture to justify hate or oppression on gays, women, other religions and just about every race on planet Earth.
2. People who push legislation that breaches the wall of separation implied in the US Constitution. People who push legislation in defiance of the Lemon test [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemon_test#Lemon_test].
3. People who use revealed scripture to justify the suppression of scientific truth.
4. People who use revealed scripture to justify warfare.
5. Pope Ratzinger reinforcing Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extra_Ecclesiam_nulla_salus], even to include all Protestant faiths.
6. Christians who don't recognize other Christians as Christian (Evangelist Sects and the Southern Baptist Convention are often guilty of this in regards to everyone else. Members of LDS, Jehovah's Witnesses and Unitarians are often the victims,
according to everyone else.)
7. People who think Satanists, Neopagans, New-Age Spiritualists or other heathen groups should have their children taken from them as if practicing a non-Abrahamic religion automatically makes them bad parents.
CPS workers who enforce this supposition.
8. Muslims who believe Jihad bil Saif [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehad#Warfare_.28Jihad_bil_Saif.29] is the most noble of all jihads, or that it justifies terrorism (e.g. the mass murder of civilians).
9. Muslims who fatwa or otherwise threaten artists who they feel have blasphemed Islam, Muhammad or Allah. Heck, anyone who threatens violence on anyone else for self expression or just being who they are.
(i added the numbers to make your post more easy to respond to)
1. I've met far more atheists who claim to hate religious people than religious people who claim to hate other religious people. Would you consider them to be "people who use [the] revealed scripture [believed in by the targets of their hate or oppression] to justify hate or oppression on gays, women, other religions and just about every race on planet Earth."?
2. ok fair enough
3. keep in mind that that hasn't happened on a state-sanctioned level since like 500 years ago (a time in which the advances in science, technology and art were largely funded by the wealth of the church anyway)
4. I hear this argument made a lot, but I'm wondering if you can give me an example of warfare for which religion was the "cause" in which it's not true that the war would likely have occured without religion anyway. (for example, the Crusades don't count, as I strongly doubt that the diametrically opposed European and Middle Eastern cultures who were both warlike and had different skin colours would have otherwise had a beautiful, friendly relationship even if the war wasn't justified through religion)
5. isn't that the point?
6. so... you're saying that people under a very loose umbrella of beliefs that nonetheless have completely different specific beliefs don't respect one another? isn't this true for anything else?
7. ok, I acknowledge that this is pretty dumb
8. so extremists? if you judge every group by its extremists it doesn't surprise me that you hate everyone
9. assuming you're referring to that Danish cartoonist guy (I don't know of any other examples of what you're talking about), I don't have a problem with his work being condemned. as for the actual violence, I don't condone it but see 8
The Human Torch said:
Purple Shrimp said:
internet atheists who won't shut up about their whiny and poorly thought out beliefs that "THE WORLD WULD BE A BETTER PLAICE WITHOUT RELIGIN" are high on the list
Funny, I have the same feeling about religious people who won't stop adding "God bless you." to every post they make.
I have yet to see a single example of such a person on the entire internet who wasn't a passive-aggressive atheist satire of religion (eg Landover Baptist Church)
No_Remainders said:
Purple Shrimp said:
internet atheists who won't shut up about their whiny and poorly thought out beliefs that "THE WORLD WULD BE A BETTER PLAICE WITHOUT RELIGIN" are high on the list
People who complain and claim that all atheists are similarly idiotic when there are even more idiots on the internet who say "ATHEISTS R THE DEVIL!"
as I alluded to above, by my estimates about 80% of the people on the internet who say "ATHEISTS R THE DEVIL!" are atheist parodies
Woodsey said:
Purple Shrimp said:
internet atheists who won't shut up about their whiny and poorly thought out beliefs that "THE WORLD WULD BE A BETTER PLAICE WITHOUT RELIGIN" are high on the list
What if they give perfectly logical justifications for that opinion?
If they give logical justifications for that opinion I'll give logical justifications for my counter-opinion, but that doesn't seem to occur as frequently as I would like. Only one person out of the 18 who responded to me has actually gone into detail about these logical justifications, and I replied accordingly (see above).
Lynoxus said:
Purple Shrimp said:
internet atheists who won't shut up about their whiny and poorly thought out beliefs that "THE WORLD WULD BE A BETTER PLAICE WITHOUT RELIGIN" are high on the list
Oh, and this. No, not the actual belief, but the way it is quoted in an obviously incorrect manner, attempting to use petty tactics to demean the person holding the view.
Would you like me to find some quotes on this site from atheists similarly "quoting" the religious beliefs of others to try to demean them?
Kriptonite said:
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Purple Shrimp said:
Internet atheists who won't shut up about their whiny and poorly thought out beliefs that, "THE WORLD WOULD BE A BETTER PLACE WITHOUT RELIGION," are high on the list
There ya go buddy, I fixed some issues with your post. By the way, capitalizing everything and including several misspellings (whether they were intentional or not remains a mystery to me...) does not make the other arguments wrong, it just makes you look like a douche. So, if you'd like to be civil and explain your point like a human being, then feel free.
Certainly!
The world would not be a better place without religion, because
a) there are a very small number of conflicts or negative effects caused by religion that would not have occurred on a different pretext if religion had never existted
b) religion gives meaning to the lives of millions of people
LightspeedJack said:
Purple Shrimp said:
internet atheists who won't shut up about their whiny and poorly thought out beliefs that "THE WORLD WULD BE A BETTER PLAICE WITHOUT RELIGIN" are high on the list
So thousands of people haven't died at the hands of religion? Kthanxbai.
feel free to give me an example of a number of genocides, wars, etc. at the hands of religion that wouldn't have occurred with a different pretext, that sum to the death of millions of people.
good luck