What are your thoughts on glue traps?

[theonlyblaze2]

I hate traps full stop, poor mousys!
How could anyone harm this

This guy thought the same thing

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[Fargus]

Frankly, trying to call people "pathetic" for this kind of thing and being so upset over a goddamn mouse says a lot more about you than anyone who uses "inhumane" traps.

No, I said the act of throwing a live mouse stuck on a glue trap when it's injured into the bin is pathetic. An act of blatant cruelty like that, I would consider pathetic. Yeah, of course I was upset over a mouse, I don't agree with torture like that. Forgive me for being human.

There's plenty of other problems in the world that are a lot worse than this, so IMO you should put your efforts towards something more useful.

You're going off an irrelevant tangent here. That there are worse atrocities happening doesn't invalidate the premise of this thread. Using this reasoning, one could tell people to stop caring about a single murder because there are starving children in Africa.

P.S. Stop trying to empathize with animals like "imagine if you were ___". They DON'T feel or think the same way we do so it's a pointless exercise that will make you more upset than you should be over it.

They might not think to the same capacity as we do, but they certainly feel it. Mammalian nervous systems and reactions to pain are very similar.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

I use the snap traps. Decent compromise and they've always seem to deliver a quick death before.

I would never use a glue trap. That just seems like a horrible way to die.

I wish I didn't have to kill them but theres no choice really.

 

[almostgold]

Eh. Easier to just use and old-fashioned mousetraps. They work too, from personal experience.

 

[Aeshi]

It's a bit hypocritical that people hate these things but turn a blind eye to fly paper, which does the exact same thing (and on a larger scale to boot!)

 

[Fargus]

It's a bit hypocritical that people hate these things but turn a blind eye to fly paper, which does the exact same thing (and on a larger scale to boot!)

Can insects feel pain?

 

[Blaster395]

It's a bit hypocritical that people hate these things but turn a blind eye to fly paper, which does the exact same thing (and on a larger scale to boot!)

Can insects feel pain?

Lets go even futher. You know antibiotics? Think of how many billions of bacteria killed every single time they are used.

Along with that, we even Deliberately wiped out a species known as Variola, which causes smallpox.

 

[Nigh Invulnerable]

Yeah, I don't approve of glue traps, unless nothing else is working.

They make humane traps where it doesn't actually kill the mouse, you just let him go outside.

You know I have tried three models of those when I had mice. Damn mice either didn't go in them, or found ways to eat the bait and get out. Maybe I just had smart mice...

I switched to more traditional snack traps and the mousies started dying.

The 2nd time I had mouse issues a few years ago was coincidentally when I got a new kitten. About the same time the kitty turned 3 or 4 months old the mouse problem just disappeared on its own. Good kitty...crunch crunch crunch.

As much as I love kittens, I don't think I could do that. I'm kind of a pansy when it comes to killing things, even bugs and spiders. I only had one mouse loose in my house. He ran and tried to hide in a shoe that was sitting nearby, so I just took it outside, and let him continue to live his life.

Seriously, I wouldn't even be able to eat meat if it weren't for the fact that honey mustard chicken is the greatest thing ever.

I've had cats catch mice and other rodents in the past, and although it's handy, the cats had a tendency to not eat this one organ of the rodents they were killing. It looked kind of like a liver or something, all dark and shiny, and they tended to leave it right on the doorstep. Gross.

Oh, honey mustard chicken is pretty awesome.

 

[pubbing]

I hate glue traps but not because I think they are inhumane. I had a mouse problem once and I put them all over my house. One of my favorite shirts fell behind the washing machine and got stuck on a glue trap, it was fucking gross because the glue trap also catches spiders which then got all over my shirt and I had to throw it away. I also had one behind my bed and my good pillow fell back there and got stuck on the trap. I could not peel the trap off of my pillow and I don't think I would want to stick my head on it after that anyway.

In other words glue traps = disgusting.

 

[emeraldrafael]

Glue traps are much less dangerous to humans and pets than snap traps or poison. They are pretty cruel to the mice, but if you check them often enough you can prevent that and give them a quicker death.

This. Though, I will say because you (the OP) work in an office and most mice come out once everyone leaves (and I'm sure your management doesnt wnat to pay someone over time to spend all night checking traps just to save mice from agony), that its very hard to do so, so more humane traps should be implemented, even if they are slightly more dangerous (I'm assuming you (the OP) mean the more modern snap trap of course, which are better then the classic stereotypical trap you see in cartoons).

EDIT: More personal thought, I feel that they arent as worthwhile, because they're more of an annoyance (i.e. they get dirty, disgusting, and are pretty much just chance traps. Yo ucould easily catch something else, or have the glue dry before use or have it fill with so much dust and dirt that it doesnt work anymore).

 

[Fargus]

Well, I care about most animals, but mice really don't matter.

So? That doesn't mean it's OK do things like torture them.

 

[Thaluikhain]

I might start using glue traps just to be an asshole to these damn freaks who value life of a pest more than a humans They were ready to steal my jacket during winter it was -28celcius outside and windy. ( I wear leather jacket, because it was gift from my mother), they would have let everyone die who need an medicine to survive that had been tested on literally lab rat.

These people ain't kind hearted, they are monsters.

Did you hear how they "officially" renamed fish as "sea kittens"? In case people were thinking about taking them seriously.

 

[Fargus]

Did you hear how they "officially" renamed fish as "sea kittens"? In case people were thinking about taking them seriously.

They're all in it for the publicity, not the animals. PETA actually used to get things done, but this publicity thing has gone to their head. That's what happens when one group like that gets too much fame and attention.

 

[s0m3th1ng]

IMO, it isn't nearly tortuous enough. The traps should include a hunk of cheese to wave in their faces and a taser to shock them periodically as they attempt to rip the soles from their dirty little paws. And a cat that just sits there and stares at it.
Fuck you mouse, you and your teeth that cut through car wiring like butter.

 

[Pyro Paul]

Way to miss my point, Paul....

You can rationalise killing them all you want, but attempting to justify what I consider torture is pathetic IMO.

Oh i more then get your point.

"I'm a Higher Being and must feel sorry for the less fortunate life forms that i coexist with! I HAVE PITY FOR THEM! SEE! I'M A BETTER LIFE FORM! LOOK AT ME! I'M GOOD!!"

but there is a big problem with your point.

You are Apart of Nature.
and Nature is not all Double rainbows and Bubblegum lollypops.

By all means, continue to take up your soap box in protest of 'inhumane treatment' of squallor filled pests that spread desiease, pestilence, and death. That consume the flesh of still living beings unable to defend themselves with no remorse or concern. That cause Pain, suffering, and dispare to countless thousands as they breed out of control and dominate local resources forcing many into squallor, poverty, and hunger unable to provide for themselves.

"oh, it musn't Suffer!" you say, when other rodents will not only kill injured kin... but also eat their flesh.

when ever your done trying to shill your mightier-then-thou routine and realize that Life, and Nature are a lot more gritty and dirty then your ivory towers Feel free to join the Rest of humanity.

 

[Pyro Paul]

P.S. Stop trying to empathize with animals like "imagine if you were ___". They DON'T feel or think the same way we do so it's a pointless exercise that will make you more upset than you should be over it.

They might not think to the same capacity as we do, but they certainly feel it. Mammalian nervous systems and reactions to pain are very similar.

Not true.

Suffering is a human condition caused by a cognative brain.
It litterally means 'To Bear'.

Animals, in this respect, are unable to truely 'suffer' as all pain to them is reactionary. a defensive reflex centered around the preservation of life rather then the preservation of a way of life.

Pain is just a chemical reaction.
it is the subsquent actions which occur because of it that speak tomes of an organism.

 

[Fargus]

but there is a big problem with your point.

You are Apart of Nature.
and Nature is not all Double rainbows and Bubblegum lollypops.

That has nothing to do with my point at all. Seems like it has flown over your head, again. The problem I see here is that you're using naturalistic fallacy arguments in order to excuse yourself for being unnecessarily cruel to other animals. Yes, nature isn't nice all the time but that's not an excuse to chuck a live mammal into your rubbish bin stuck on a sheet of superglue when the option is there for a mercy kill. You're just deliberately prolonging its misery, it's disgusting.

A cat may be "cruel" when toying with a mouse, but a cat does not know any better - it's only acting on instinct. It's not like a human who has the cognitive ability to recognise that something is in pain, yet deliberately prolongs it (and makes weak excuses for it). Hell, it's not even about the animal - it's your mindset. You can replace "rat" with "dog" and it'd be the same (that is the scary part). Do you really think it is mentally stable for someone to be that cruel to something, and dismiss it because "oh worse things happen in nature" ?

when ever your done trying to shill your mightier-then-thou routine and realize that Life, and Nature are a lot more gritty and dirty then your ivory towers Feel free to join the Rest of humanity.

This has absolutely nothing to do with nature and life being gritty. You're trying to paint such animals as close to objects as possible in order to justify your cruelty towards them. Your justifications for torturing animals are laughable.

Oh look, a dog. I am going to kick it because nature and life are gritty and dirty! Nevermind that it's a completely unnecessary act and the dog will feel pain from it. Same thing with throwing a live glue trapped animal into a rubbish bin (implying that you're treating the animal as an object, a piece of rubbish). The point of the matter is, there's a difference between getting rid of a pest and deliberately drawing out its agony. And your reasoning is that nature is not nice all the time? What a load of absolute tosh.

Not true.

What is not true? Are you denying that they feel pain, and deny that mammalian nervous systems are similar? Funny, that... I never said anything about the emotional component we humans take for granted. That said, it has been shown rats get depressed when their cagemate dies - so do dogs when their owner dies. You say all of it is reactionary but don't even consider the fact that something like a rat or a dog can be traumatised by such events and show it through unusual behaviour. They learn from such experiences.

Pain is just a chemical reaction.
it is the subsquent actions which occur because of it that speak tomes of an organism.

Pain is also an unpleasant experience, we strive to minimise it. Doing the same for animals because we know it's unpleasant for them too, and sympathise. It's called having empathy. I felt sorry for the animal in my situation because it was in a great amount of pain, and it was unnecessary for the animal to have gone through that. That it might have been a pest, in that context, is entirely irrelevant. The animal is no more or less deserving of a quick dispatch than any other - your arguments seem to imply that it is OK to do something like this simply because they exist.

And the way you kill something, and casually disregard how painful it is on the notion that "nature is cruel" speaks tomes of your personality. Seems like pointless cruelty to animals is your thing, and worse, you're trying to defend it.

 

[Fargus]

By all means, continue to take up your soap box in protest of 'inhumane treatment' of squallor filled pests that spread desiease, pestilence, and death. That consume the flesh of still living beings unable to defend themselves with no remorse or concern. That cause Pain, suffering, and dispare to countless thousands as they breed out of control and dominate local resources forcing many into squallor, poverty, and hunger unable to provide for themselves.

Yet none of these things are reasons to torture something to death.

I find it very humorous that you're trying to demonise the animals as much as possible, when none of it is actually their own fault (the reason rats are such an ecological pest is because of us, ultimately). Heck, the attributes you listed there remind me of a more destructive species of animal (you can guess this). Animals such as rats are doing what they do to survive, they can't think on the same cognitive level as us - meaning they have no concept of human ownership, or any ill intent for that matter.

It appears to me you lack a basic grasp of ethics in this situation, there's certainly no argument with getting rid of pest animals but your "method" of disposal is what I am questioning here (and it's not about the use of glue traps either, it's about how you dispose the animal of it). So yes, I am questioning the morality of doing such a thing, and questioning you as a person for it. That you're attempting to justify it based on a ridiculous naturalistic fallacy and demonising says enough for me. So, who is the real demon here - the rats, or you?

 

[Pyro Paul]

Not true.

So you deny that they don't feel pain, and deny that mammalian nervous systems are similar? Funny, that... I never said anything about the emotional component we humans take for granted. That said, it has been shown rats get depressed when their cagemate dies - so do dogs when their owner dies. You say all of it is reactionary but don't even consider the fact that something like a rat or a dog can be traumatised by such events and show it through unusual behaviour. They learn from such experiences.

Depression is a physical condition not an emotional one.

commonly, it is when a series of pathways in the brain close making diffrent path ways occur which in turn evoke diffrent reactions to given situations. as to the afactors behind what cause these pathways to close and the over all effect the detours have on the mind and body is still a subject to debate. However, that doesn't remove the fact that depression is a physical condition.

rats can feel depressed, but can it feel sad?

general answer no. to feel sad it has to be able to comprehend the gravity of actions.

however this goes into a much larger debate exspecially on the Pavlov effect and if it denotes cognative capability or is reactionary.

Pain is just a chemical reaction.
it is the subsquent actions which occur because of it that speak tomes of an organism.

And the way you kill something, and casually disregard how painful it is on the notion that "nature is cruel" speaks tomes of your personality. Seems like pointless cruelty to animals is your thing, and worse, you're trying to defend it.

Does it now?
and what does it say?

does it reflect the experience i've had in a medical ward and seeing some one infected with Plague?
does it reflect the an infectious 'rat bite' which hospitalized me for over a week when i was younger? Or the series of rather painful 'just in case' shots i had to have because of it?
does it reflect the fact that several people depend on my existance and well being?
does it reflect that the mental health of a particular girl is highly dependent on my good health?


Let it die.
it is a pest that spreads death.

it has done so through out history and does so up unto this day.

 

[Doctor What]

One of my co workers said to me that the "screaming" sound that we hear when mice get stuck on the glue traps is because as they try to get free they are tearing the skin off of their feet.

And he said that with a smile. I'll never look at him the same way again.