There's a difference between murder and killing.Jonesy911 said:I think the majority of modern day soldiers are fools that are brain washed by propaganda and their own idiocy who sign up to go and kill people.
The government tells us that murder is illegal but then it employs millions of people to go and murder people all over the world, why is the government exempt from its own rules?
Quoted for Truth, and great justiceKollega said:Actually, scratch all that. I'm going to refrain from stating my opinion on the matter. I don't want to be flamed by everyone and their dog for being "PRO-MILITARY RETARD HURR DURR".
Don't blame soldiers for wars, at the very least. Blame politicans who start them.
If that was the reason most of them signed up it would be, most of the ones in my unit signed on for the college money and the minute we went to war tried to find a way to get out.squidninjapirate said:I think that any person willing to give their life in defense of their country, or any country is to be admired.
I agree with this. I'm very anti-war, but I know that soldiers are just people. In fact I have great respect for the military. My dad served for 20 years (in some way or another), all 4 of my uncles served, my mum served, and the military put a roof over my head when I was growing up.JZmada said:The general consensus nowadays is:
You can be pro-war or anti-war, it doesn't matter. But the second you become anti-soldier is when you become a social pariah, and people will figure it out if you are anti-soldier.
It's that kinda attitude that made us quit in vietnam. Seriously, if we would have stayed to the finish, vietnam could be looking like south korea right now, instead of one of the poorest, least desirable places to live in the world.x0ny said:pawns in an un-winnable war. There are plenty of good soldiers but you also get your bad apples.
That kind of attitude makes the rest of the world hate America.gim73 said:It's that kinda attitude that made us quit in vietnam. Seriously, if we would have stayed to the finish, vietnam could be looking like south korea right now, instead of one of the poorest, least desirable places to live in the world.x0ny said:pawns in an un-winnable war. There are plenty of good soldiers but you also get your bad apples.
Myself, I was never a soldier, I was a sailor. All I did was operate a nuclear reactor. Never forced to go over to some sandy country. No bullets came close to my submarine. Zero casualties while I was onboard. Hell, I can claim that I was defending americas borders the whole time I was in the Navy. I have no problem with sending soldiers over to pacify a volatile area. As the policemen of the world, it's our duty to ensure that atrocities don't occur while we are on duty. Clinton dropped the ball when he failed to respond in Rwanda. Gotta make sure things like that don't happen ever again.
hehe, ^^;; it's this kinda "Big Brother" attitude which makes the rest of the world despise the USA. The constant need to interfere with everyone else's problems and matters. I say, deal with your own country's issues first before helping others.gim73 said:It's that kinda attitude that made us quit in vietnam. Seriously, if we would have stayed to the finish, vietnam could be looking like south korea right now, instead of one of the poorest, least desirable places to live in the world.
Myself, I was never a soldier, I was a sailor. All I did was operate a nuclear reactor. Never forced to go over to some sandy country. No bullets came close to my submarine. Zero casualties while I was onboard. Hell, I can claim that I was defending americas borders the whole time I was in the Navy. I have no problem with sending soldiers over to pacify a volatile area. As the policemen of the world, it's our duty to ensure that atrocities don't occur while we are on duty. Clinton dropped the ball when he failed to respond in Rwanda. Gotta make sure things like that don't happen ever again.
"Team America: World Police"x0ny said:hehe, ^^;; it's this kinda "Big Brother" attitude which makes the rest of the world despise the USA. The constant need to interfere with everyone else's problems and matters. I say, deal with your own country's issues first before helping others.
True enough. That's why this isn't so clear-cut as many here seem to think. If it were just as easy as not butting into people's business without exception, who knows what horrors could happen? And similarly: what horrors will now be perpetrated because of our action?gim73 said:...Clinton dropped the ball when he failed to respond in Rwanda. Gotta make sure things like that don't happen ever again.x0ny said:pawns in an un-winnable war. There are plenty of good soldiers but you also get your bad apples.
If you are a soldier you gave away your rights, all of them.roses_and_flames2.o said:That is true. It is a damn shame when a person can't speak up (even with the 2nd Amendment) without fear of punishment or having to resort to violence.Samurai Goomba said:They probably do speak up, but you need to understand that the chain of command is absolute. Unless a soldier has the resolve to kill his commanding officers and desert (becoming a war criminal), there's very little he or she can do about an order he/she finds abhorrent.roses_and_flames2.o said:I don't blame them for the wars they fought in but always wonder why they don't say something or speak up against injustice when they know they would be/are in the right. Other than that, they are alright.
"Sometimes doing the right thing ain't doing the right thing."
-McNulty
War is killing with the mandate of the masses, generally to further the nation's economic interests, or the economic interests of the nation's elite. Murder is killing without the mandate of the masses, generally to further an individual's economic interests.Contun said:There's a difference between murder and killing.
The Government kills to protect. People murder for their own selfish gain.
Well, in a sense it's a horrible shame. In another sense, if the military always had to stop and take a vote on every level of operations (from hardware mechanics to refuelers to army grunts) about what to do in every given situation, nothing would get done and we'd all be conquered and enslaved by other countries. Not trying to be a fearmonger about this, but you'd best believe there are still plenty of countries who'd take down the US if they could, for the resources if no other reason... Not saying that HAS happened recently, just that it might if our army was worthless.roses_and_flames2.o said:That is true. It is a damn shame when a person can't speak up (even with the 2nd Amendment) without fear of punishment or having to resort to violence.Samurai Goomba said:They probably do speak up, but you need to understand that the chain of command is absolute. Unless a soldier has the resolve to kill his commanding officers and desert (becoming a war criminal), there's very little he or she can do about an order he/she finds abhorrent.roses_and_flames2.o said:I don't blame them for the wars they fought in but always wonder why they don't say something or speak up against injustice when they know they would be/are in the right. Other than that, they are alright.
"Sometimes doing the right thing ain't doing the right thing."
-McNulty