What does the world have against America?

[Thyunda]

Is it? You demonstrated some knowledge of Gaelic a few posts back. You also threw a snitfit at being identified as British. Neither of those are the traits of someone who has assimilated into their monoculture environment.

The amount of ignorance in this post blew my mind so hard it's taken me this long to form a coherent response. Gods, you'd think there'd been a war fought over the country, and that Irish Gaelic had been outlawed, and so had Irish clothing. The only reason the language is even still used in conversation is because the Irish are independently minded, and it takes more than the law to stop an Irishman showing off his nationality.

And yet all of this independent nationalism is an indication of how fine the Irish are with being British? Not an indicator of it being an occupied colony of the still living British Empire?

All of this independent nationalism was an instruction to 'stop arguing with somebody who knows more about it than you do'.

The Irish WERE oppressed. Yes. Then we had the Troubles. And now? Even the IRA have decided it's too much effort to keep fighting. It's a lost cause. We can re-learn Irish Gaelic. We can wear our national dress again. Really, we're only part of the United Kingdom in name.

Though the religion could do with some settling. Good God, I'm glad I'm atheist. Hah. Oxymoron.

Anyway - stop making out that America's getting a free pass with the world for its actions, because it's not. Not one person has seen the Americans causing trouble in Pakistan and said "Ignore them, we've got them damn Imperials to fight."

 

[Starke]

Anyway - stop making out that America's getting a free pass with the world for its actions, because it's not. Not one person has seen the Americans causing trouble in Pakistan and said "Ignore them, we've got them damn Imperials to fight."

So, this means you haven't been reading my posts up to this point? Let's recap, you said something about how America is an evil empire, and smugly patted a fellow Brit on the back. You threw a tantrum about how America was shooting Pakistani soldiers, forgetting of course, you represent a country that actually massacred civilians in Pakistan, back when it was part of India.

You blamed us for upsetting the middle east, and claimed London being bombed was our fault. And then when presented with evidence that many nations in the middle east have legitimate, historic grievances, you shoved your fingers in your ears, and balled your eyes out that because you don't care about history, no one else should.

You, (or BiscuitTrouser, not sure which started it), accused us of founding our nation on rivers of blood against the natives. But, that's been standard practice for every European nation the instant they set foot off the continent since time began. It was a policy that America first initiated under British rule.

And while I would be the first to say the treatment of Native Americans is appalling, they aren't reverting to terrorist tactics in order to ensure their own sovereignty the way the IRA did for most of the last century.

I don't care if you want to say there are things about America that aren't perfect. There are. There are things that are downright horrifying. But, don't pretend you're any better, and don't blame us for when the world stomps it's way to your doorstep for your past mistakes.

 

[Thyunda]

Anyway - stop making out that America's getting a free pass with the world for its actions, because it's not. Not one person has seen the Americans causing trouble in Pakistan and said "Ignore them, we've got them damn Imperials to fight."

So, this means you haven't been reading my posts up to this point? Let's recap, you said something about how America is an evil empire, and smugly patted a fellow Brit on the back. You threw a tantrum about how America was shooting Pakistani soldiers, forgetting of course, you represent a country that actually massacred civilians in Pakistan, back when it was part of India.

You blamed us for upsetting the middle east, and claimed London being bombed was our fault. And then when presented with evidence that many nations in the middle east have legitimate, historic grievances, you shoved your fingers in your ears, and balled your eyes out that because you don't care about history, no one else should.

You, (or BiscuitTrouser, not sure which started it), accused us of founding our nation on rivers of blood against the natives. But, that's been standard practice for every European nation the instant they set foot off the continent since time began. It was a policy that America first initiated under British rule.

And while I would be the first to say the treatment of Native Americans is appalling, they aren't reverting to terrorist tactics in order to ensure their own sovereignty the way the IRA did for most of the last century.

I don't care if you want to say there are things about America that aren't perfect. There are. There are things that are downright horrifying. But, don't pretend you're any better, and don't blame us for when the world stomps it's way to your doorstep for your past mistakes.

And once again you have demonstrated your amazing capacity to TOTALLY MISS THE POINT.

 

[Starke]

And once again you have demonstrated your amazing capacity to TOTALLY MISS THE POINT.

The point is, some people have a longer memory than is convenient for you. If you're going to point out someone's flaws, you should remember you're opening yourself up to a massive and hilarious accusation of hypocrisy if it's behavior your proxy has engaged in gleefully.

 

[Thyunda]

And once again you have demonstrated your amazing capacity to TOTALLY MISS THE POINT.

The point is, some people have a longer memory than is convenient for you. If you're going to point out someone's flaws, you should remember you're opening yourself up to a massive and hilarious accusation of hypocrisy if it's behavior your proxy has engaged in gleefully.

But you're missing the point. Still. It's not that the British Empire haven't done bad things. It's that the Empire flew the evil flag and bloody well knew it. America, on the other hand, wages a secret war NOW and consistently destabilises otherwise stable countries.
You can complain all you want about how the Empire destabilised those countries when it abandoned its Middle Eastern territories, but I can't imagine somebody being upset at the man who broke his window while three others are smashing his house up.

 

[Starke]

You can complain all you want about how the Empire destabilised those countries when it abandoned its Middle Eastern territories, but I can't imagine somebody being upset at the man who broke his window while three others are smashing his house up.

No one cares that you left the middle east. That's possibly the only redeeming feature you have on that front. It's that you went there in the first place.

And yes, we're trashing the place right now, but you didn't break a goddamn window, you kicked the door in, ransacked the place, took everything of value you could carry in a truck, held the family hostage and when you finally got bored, you came back and did it all over again, only this time you helped set up a guy with a goddamn rocket launcher outside their front door, and told him to do whatever he wanted. All we're doing is breaking a few windows. Proportionality, in all things is necessary.

 

[Thyunda]

You can complain all you want about how the Empire destabilised those countries when it abandoned its Middle Eastern territories, but I can't imagine somebody being upset at the man who broke his window while three others are smashing his house up.

No one cares that you left the middle east. That's possibly the only redeeming feature you have on that front. It's that you went there in the first place.

And yes, we're trashing the place right now, but you didn't break a goddamn window, you kicked the door in, ransacked the place, took everything of value you could carry in a truck, held the family hostage and when you finally got bored, you came back and did it all over again, only this time you helped set up a guy with a goddamn rocket launcher outside their front door, and told him to do whatever he wanted. All we're doing is breaking a few windows. Proportionality, in all things is necessary.

So what you're telling me is that by some complete reversal of actual fact, America is now operating under England's orders?

You're really trying every trick in the book to win this, aren't you?

 

[Starke]

You can complain all you want about how the Empire destabilised those countries when it abandoned its Middle Eastern territories, but I can't imagine somebody being upset at the man who broke his window while three others are smashing his house up.

No one cares that you left the middle east. That's possibly the only redeeming feature you have on that front. It's that you went there in the first place.

And yes, we're trashing the place right now, but you didn't break a goddamn window, you kicked the door in, ransacked the place, took everything of value you could carry in a truck, held the family hostage and when you finally got bored, you came back and did it all over again, only this time you helped set up a guy with a goddamn rocket launcher outside their front door, and told him to do whatever he wanted. All we're doing is breaking a few windows. Proportionality, in all things is necessary.

So what you're telling me is that by some complete reversal of actual fact, America is now operating under England's orders?

You're really trying every trick in the book to win this, aren't you?

Is your own metaphor too complex for you? I mean, if it is, I can understand that. I'll think on this for a while and see if I can come up with a metaphor simple enough for you to understand.

You see, you conquered and looted the middle east. Thought that was a good idea, went back and did it again. And then when you finally got bored and wandered off you turned a rogue state into a nuclear power on the way out. Oops, your bad. You still gleefully display the trophies of you conquests in museums, and every time Egypt comes along and says "give us our stuff back" you ***** slap them.

 

[Thyunda]

You can complain all you want about how the Empire destabilised those countries when it abandoned its Middle Eastern territories, but I can't imagine somebody being upset at the man who broke his window while three others are smashing his house up.

No one cares that you left the middle east. That's possibly the only redeeming feature you have on that front. It's that you went there in the first place.

And yes, we're trashing the place right now, but you didn't break a goddamn window, you kicked the door in, ransacked the place, took everything of value you could carry in a truck, held the family hostage and when you finally got bored, you came back and did it all over again, only this time you helped set up a guy with a goddamn rocket launcher outside their front door, and told him to do whatever he wanted. All we're doing is breaking a few windows. Proportionality, in all things is necessary.

So what you're telling me is that by some complete reversal of actual fact, America is now operating under England's orders?

You're really trying every trick in the book to win this, aren't you?

Is your own metaphor too complex for you? I mean, if it is, I can understand that. I'll think on this for a while and see if I can come up with a metaphor simple enough for you to understand.

You see, you conquered and looted the middle east. Thought that was a good idea, went back and did it again. And then when you finally got bored and wandered off you turned a rogue state into a nuclear power on the way out. Oops, your bad. You still gleefully display the trophies of you conquests in museums, and every time Egypt comes along and says "give us our stuff back" you ***** slap them.

Why is any of this bad? We conquered most of the known world and everybody knew what we were doing. My problem is not with the US being aggressive, it's with the US pretending they're 'helping'. And a rogue state becoming a nuclear power? Sounds like we gave them a leg up in a competitive market. Big oops indeed.

 

[Starke]

My problem is not with the US being aggressive, it's with the US pretending they're 'helping'.

And if you'd just said this 20 posts ago, instead of going off on an inventory of sins, this would have been a much shorter and less acrimonious argument.

 

[Thyunda]

My problem is not with the US being aggressive, it's with the US pretending they're 'helping'.

And if you'd just said this 20 posts ago, instead of going off on an inventory of sins, this would have been a much shorter and less acrimonious argument.

This has always been my argument...

 

[Steinar Valsson]

http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/16/obama-warns-iceland-on-whaling-activity/

Do you NOT call that a direct play of power by the U.S?