Abomination said:
Yes it damn well is. Liking X but not liking Y is called a preference.
Sexual ORIENTATION. Orientation is a preference? No. Orientation is an immutable state of being.
It isn't aversion because I am not forced to vacate the premises, it isn't discrimination because I do not judge or act upon my tastes. My gut tells me the action is the opposite of attractive to me. I am repulsed by it. It is simply a taste.
Homophobia isn't taste. It's a deep-seated feeling of, in this case, aversion (disgust=averse), of homosexuality. It's a thought process. It's an internalized way of thinking. Your internalized thought process is that male-male kissing=disgusting. Why is that the case? Based on your many postings it's because you think of sex when you see them kissing. That's projective disgust. You are projecting disgust on a harmless act because your mind is transfixed on male anal sex and male oral sex. And the messier aspects of male-male sexuality.
A kiss is not disgusting. You have internalized issues with male homosexuality. You think it's unnatural and wrong. Those are your own words. So your thoughts on male homosexuality are based on your feelings on the matter of homosexuality. That it's wrong and unnatural.
Your solution is to stare at people while they kiss? Your solution is for me to do something I flat out do not enjoy because I might upset someone? I should stare at people as they perform sexual PDA? What planet do you live on?
Why do you keep going to sexual PDA? You can't help yourself. You really can't. And it's sad because a lot of us can see right through it yet you're clearly not able to see yourself and how you're coming off.
You are paranoid with gay male sex. Try asking yourself why.
My solution is to get over your discomfort and act normally. Normally, aka, as if you would when an opposite sex couple were kissing, or lesbian couple were kissing. Repress whatever internalized issues you have, stop making excuses for them, and make it a point to just be comfortable, even if you're not. Make it a habit. And you'll be over your discomfort.
This disgust at homosexual sexual PDA does not stop me from associating, having friends or interacting with homosexuals. I will never tell them to stop, tell them they shouldn't do it or make my disgust apparent. You are right, it is on me... but there is nothing morally wrong with it.
And I more or less clearly said the problem isn't with you, it's with your mentality. Morally wrong, no, simply wrong. Incorrect, is actually the better word. Irrational completely.
You really have no clue if your disgust is apparent or not. That's something for your "gay friends" to answer to. When I see people kissing, I look down but don't look away. I don't fidget, I don't pretend to be discomforted. I just let them kiss and enter my own zone. Maybe I'll use my phone while they kiss. Going to go out of your way to look away IS a reaction. Is it an aggressive one? No. It's a reaction in the same. It can easily be noticed. And picked up on.
You are really reading too far into that and taking it far too personal. I could not look at them for any number of reasons, maybe I just don't like PDA - they couldn't POSSIBLY know why, unless they partook in observing me while I observed others engage in PDA... but that's just like going out of their way to upset themselves.
Given the fact 99.9% of same-sex couples have to deal with reactions like yours daily when in public, excuse me for being a little skeptical about you believing they "wont have a clue" what you're thinking. Making it a point to look away is a reaction, and it's a negative one. Gay people aren't stupid. If I noticed you doing that, I'd immediately see it as you thinking that what I'm doing is gross. And I'm not the only one. There is, again, a reason why same-sex couples tend to be hesitant about showing affection. It's not something that just happens to be the case.
No. Flat out no. I am not scared of male homosexuals. I do not discriminate against them. I do not remove myself from their presence or request/wish they do the same for me. I just do not enjoy watching them engage in PDA.
You said you found a gay couple showing some basic loving affection endearing. Now you're saying "I don't enjoy watching them engage in PDA". Before, you said it was disgusting. You keep bringing up sex when it has nothing to do with the subject. You're all over the place. Stick with one story.
I never said you were scared of male homosexuals. In fact I never called you a homophobe, I said your mentality is homophobic. I've written several times what homophobia entails.
No, you've essentially stamped your feet and screamed "It's wrong because society".
LOL. I didn't do anything anywhere near the sort. I did say society is changing it's view on homosexuality and same-sex affection is becoming more open, free and accepted. And the reason for that is because there is nothing wrong with it, whatsoever. So if you see people moving away from your way of thinking, going out of your way to more or less state your way of thinking is unchangeable, natural and totally OK is going to cause some protestation. When other straight people on this very page say they are either totally uncaring or only slightly uncomfortable. They are not disgusted. So why are they not disgusted, yet you are disgusted. That's something you need to ask yourself.
Who said anything about panic mode?
Needing to look away to avoid a harmless kiss is panic mode. That's you needing to take action to protect yourself from the dreaded same-sex male kiss.
It's weird you have such an obsession with how someone else thinks. That's it, how someone THINKS. Not how they act or treat someone else, just how they think. I certainly admit it is MY problem - not yours. So you need to stop trying to make it your problem and just accept that people find things disgusting that you find enjoyable or neutral.
It's not about what you think. It's about you defending your homophobia as totally OK and calling homosexuality unnatural. And saying you "turn and look away" when two guys kiss yet say you don't make any reaction. And then getting defensive when called out on all of this. No-one is personally attacking you. You made statements, and people are responding to said statements.
No, I have no issue with homosexuality.
Oh, really? So then you have no issue with two men showing basic affection of one another without finding it disgusting, or unnatural, correct?