What Should Have Happened to George Lucas
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Anybody who says the original Star Wars trilogy were for children apparently didn't see the same movies with amputation, war, and death that I did. They were for everyone, and they were made at a time when a lightsaber battle had to mean something. In the original trilogy, there was some personal struggle going on in every lightsaber battle. Obi-Wan against his old apprentice who betrayed him. Luke against the man who killed his master and threatens his friends, who seeks him unceasingly for reasons unknown to him - and, finally, Luke against his father, all the while trying to redeem him and turn him from a lifetime of evil.
The prequel trilogy is full of meaningless, political-sounding dialogue and lightsaber fights for no reason but spectacle. They are Star Wars movies made by a person trying to make a Star Wars movie, rather than just trying to make a movie. It's not, "what would work best for the characters here?", it's "well, it's x minutes before the end of the movie, looks like we need a lightsaber battle here. It has to be EXTREEEEEEME though." They're shot the same way a soap opera is and they were getting ready to shoot before the script was hastily jotted down on a legal pad by a man who without a doubt hated where his career went and wished he was doing something else. The same man directed this steaming load from a chair with some monitors, never really interacting with the people or the (lack of) set. Everything remotely creative about the movie was made by a bunch of fans of the originals who didn't have the heart to say no to the man who originally intended to make Chewbacca a bushbaby and Luke Skywalker an old war veteran with a metal skull. George Lucas was good at coming up with a general storyline of the original trilogy, but like Hitler was given way too much credit for the achievements of those working for him.
If you don't see how the prequel trilogy is a worthless, hollow shell of a once great film series that captured the hearts of people all over the world, regardless of culture, you were either born too late or you don't have high enough standards for entertainment.
The prequel trilogy is full of meaningless, political-sounding dialogue and lightsaber fights for no reason but spectacle. They are Star Wars movies made by a person trying to make a Star Wars movie, rather than just trying to make a movie. It's not, "what would work best for the characters here?", it's "well, it's x minutes before the end of the movie, looks like we need a lightsaber battle here. It has to be EXTREEEEEEME though." They're shot the same way a soap opera is and they were getting ready to shoot before the script was hastily jotted down on a legal pad by a man who without a doubt hated where his career went and wished he was doing something else. The same man directed this steaming load from a chair with some monitors, never really interacting with the people or the (lack of) set. Everything remotely creative about the movie was made by a bunch of fans of the originals who didn't have the heart to say no to the man who originally intended to make Chewbacca a bushbaby and Luke Skywalker an old war veteran with a metal skull. George Lucas was good at coming up with a general storyline of the original trilogy, but like Hitler was given way too much credit for the achievements of those working for him.
If you don't see how the prequel trilogy is a worthless, hollow shell of a once great film series that captured the hearts of people all over the world, regardless of culture, you were either born too late or you don't have high enough standards for entertainment.
I completely agree, and I was a kid when the special additions came out, so I'm not quite old enough to have seen the originals in theater, but I went to see the special editions and the prequels in the theater, and I can firmly say that the underlying plot of Palpatine slowing working his plot to take over the republic was better then anything in the originals. Also I still believe that anyone starting Star Wars for the first time should start with the prequels, if only because in this day and age the surprise that chancellor Palpatine is really Darth Sideous, is a much bigger and less known twist then the Vader one.Fronzel said:
Also in the latest remakes on Return of the Jedi, they replaced the ghost of Anikin with Hayden
I could never look at Leia the same after she tried to blow up the Jake and Elwood Bluesirishda said:
Loved the one liner at the end of it all
"George its ok, all directors make bombs once and a while."
"Yes, but mine go boom."
"George its ok, all directors make bombs once and a while."
"Yes, but mine go boom."
Your post makes me wanna vent about nerds...The_root_of_all_evil said:
I don't let others "ruin my childhood," not even the authors themselves. Harry Potter is my Star Wars, but I don't care if JK Rowling jumps off the deep end and announces that she's rereleasing the Harry Potter books with "cuts, and edits, and rewrites" in order to "correct" things she felt sucked and that I felt were cool, just in time for the sequel series starring a revived James Potter in the future.
I don't like that idea. Oh what am I to do? You think in this age of technology that I'm not gonna find the unaltered originals? No big deal. I'll pick my poison and be happy.
But "it's the principle of the thing?" "Art is about art, not profit?" Screw that shit. Man-made ideals whose purpose is to aggrandize something that is really not a huge deal. My first loyalty is to the story I fell in love with in the first place, and the elements that made me fall in love with it, no matter what the author's original motivation is or was. It's his/her property, he/she can do whatever the fuck they want with it. Fuck "art." Nothing is true. Everything is permitted. Whatever my opinion of such decisions, I won't let it kill my happy memories.
Nerds need to let it go when it comes to things like sequels, remakes, rereleases, rewrites, etc. People need to let Transformers and Tron and Star Wars go. It happened. They got sequels. The mileage varied on those. Guess what? Your childhood memories are INTACT. You enjoyed the originals? So enjoy your originals. Ignore the sequels and rewrites all you want, but my god, let. it. go.
We would, but Lucas prevented the originals from being re-released - instead preferring his altered versions.AyreonMaiden said:
But thanks for condemning people with different viewpoints. Makes the world go round, doncha know.
There aren't any physical copies of the originals anymore? I didn't know that...The_root_of_all_evil said:
I never in my post condemned such nerds. I never said anything to belittle nerds in my post. My tone was angry, yes, because I AM sick of seeing this sort of attitude about stuff that honestly eludes me.
Can you tell me with a bold and straight face that you've never felt that way? I said "nerds need to let it go." not "I condemn nerds and people with different viewpoints." Nerds can nerd out in whatever way they like. I posted my personal problems with a certain mentality. In a ranty way, yes, but you WERE warned at the top of my post.
If that's what you got out of it, I guess it can't be helped, but my opinion is what it is and I'm not really that sorry about how I typed it. Whatever the case, I never said you or anyone else is "wrong" for doing things their way.
Lucas is very specific about what parts of the trilogies he releases. And even he wears the T-Shirt that says "Han Shot First".AyreonMaiden said:
I feel that way everytime I see an advert for "The making of", Torchwood or a number of other things.
Which is why I parried rather than condemned. If you're a charging rhino, it sometimes helps to see what you're charging over.
Equally, I don't see people as wrong for liking the prequels, but with the knowledge of what has been done over the the idea what could have been done...it hurts at times.
Especially when I see the beautiful things that others have done with the Universe, only to be crushed under Lucas's chokehold.
What really makes me angry though, is when people tell me that's due to "nostalgia", or "not being a child anymore". It's not. It's seeing something only allowing its worst side to surface.