What the Hell, Gearbox?

[Jabberwock xeno]

Blame 3D Realms, not Gearbox. Gearbox have had Duke for a few months, 3D Realms have been working on it for 14 years.

This.

Borderlands let you carry over 42 guns at once, this is NOT gearboxs fault.

 

[Shoggoth2588]

The point of the mechanic is to give you choice making. Call it bad reasoning if you want, but that's the official "reason".

But its ok, its a shooter with a two weapon system. Everyone shout halo clone like its a bad thing, I know how hard people hate on halo nowadays for some insane reason.

As fun as it is to shout "Halo Clone", I think people are doing it with this much venom because they wanted a more classic Duke game. I liked Halo and still play Reach but when people were promised a Duke game, they wanted a classic 1st-person experience.

I think of it like this: Duke was that sip of beer you had as a kid. Halo came out and you drank that Mountain Dew up for years. Now it's your 21st birthday (going by the legal drinking age in the US) and your Uncle 3D Realms gives you a plastic red cup. It looks like a beer and 3D Realms makes it really seem like a beer...until you take a sip and get a mouth full of mountain dew.

...

A bad analogy since I love me some Dew and hate beer...

 

[karloss01]

I enjoyed the demo, get over it.

 

[Faenus]

With only about a week between demo and full game release? I honestly don't see it happening. If Gearbox cares they might listen to fan feedback and tweak a few things, but how could the demo be that different from the finished product?[/quote]

Not exactly. The demo for dead rising two, which was case zero, was total crap compared to the actual game.

 

[Pakkie]

Pro Tip: Get Serious Sam 3
It's EXACTLY WHAT YOUR LOOKING FOR.
Go look at the trailer.

 

[Jabberwock xeno]

I thought I was playing Halo with pigs.

I mean, I liked the demo, I wanted to play more, but seriously, the auto regen health and 2 weapon limit needs to go.


This isn't the Duke I remembered.

Why is it every fps developer these days feels the need to incorporate self-regenerating health and the 2 weapon arsenal. Why won't these mechanics die? What the hell was wrong with health packs? Why do they feel to the need to force me to carry only 2 weapons at a time? What's the point of this mechanic, and don't tell me realism.

I assumed Duke Nukem Forever would pay homage to the forgotten, arcadey, over-the-top first person shooters of the past. I was looking forward to climbing up a ladder backwards, holding an rpg, kicking with both legs at the same time. I was looking forward to experimenting with cool weapons on my own terms. But no, it's just another generic, brown, halo clone with a shrink ray. Thanks gearbox.

Ugh.

Halo didn't even have regen health:

YOUR SHIELDS REGENARTED, BUT YOU STILL HAD A SET HEALTH LIMIT THAT DID NOT REGENERATE.

And Halo is the furtherest FPS from "brown".

You fight in Purple alien ships, green meadows and canyans, cities, deserts, jungles, etc.

And as I stated here:

Blame 3D Realms, not Gearbox. Gearbox have had Duke for a few months, 3D Realms have been working on it for 14 years.

This.

Borderlands let you carry over 42 guns at once, this is NOT gearboxs fault.

 

[Stavros Dimou]

Why is it every fps developer these days feels the need to incorporate self-regenerating health and the 2 weapon arsenal. Why won't these mechanics die? What the hell was wrong with health packs? Why do they feel to the need to force me to carry only 2 weapons at a time? What's the point of this mechanic, and don't tell me realism.

I assumed Duke Nukem Forever would pay homage to the forgotten, arcadey, over-the-top first person shooters of the past. I was looking forward to climbing up a ladder backwards, holding an rpg, kicking with both legs at the same time. I was looking forward to experimenting with cool weapons on my own terms. But no, it's just another generic, brown, halo clone with a shrink ray. Thanks gearbox.

It's not Gearbox to blame.
These where decisions made by 3D REALMS,and Gearbox just released the game 3D REALMS had made in 80%
Gearbox just aligned the levels in an order and fixed bugs. Nothing else was their decision.
Gearbox's decision was to release the game 3D REALMS was making,as 3D REALMS wanted.
It's 3D REALMS to blame and specificaly George Brussard.
Stop blaming Gearbox.

 

[Cpt Corallis]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't the 'health' system referred to as an ego system? And the whole reason that Duke dies after 2-3 hits is that he becomes a mewling snivelling uncool wreck after he gets hurt by enemies? Because I can see why they can justify two or three hits in that logic, even if it isn't implemented well gameplaywise.

 

[ToastiestZombie]

Why [does all games] incorporate self-regenerating health?...
...What the hell was wrong with health packs?

Well. The simple answer is that it's easier for the developers.
With the health pack system, they had to hide the stuff in nooks and crannies, or secret rooms and whatnot. That all takes extra time.

Um they have been working on it for 12 YEARS so I dont think that the not having enought time argument for no medkits is valid.

 

[Temah]

At a guess, Gearbox got scared that such an anticipated game would dissapoint so they went for mechanics that they know are 'popular'.

 

[Eveonline100]

Blame 3D Realms, not Gearbox. Gearbox have had Duke for a few months, 3D Realms have been working on it for 14 years.

unless they chanaged everthing about the game in those few months.

 

[Cpt Corallis]

Why [does all games] incorporate self-regenerating health?...
...What the hell was wrong with health packs?

Well. The simple answer is that it's easier for the developers.
With the health pack system, they had to hide the stuff in nooks and crannies, or secret rooms and whatnot. That all takes extra time.

Um they have been working on it for 12 YEARS so I dont think that the not having enought time argument for no medkits is valid.

The game being released next week is not the same game 3D Realms started work on 12 years ago. They changed the engine multiple times, and I would wager that the game was heavily redesigned multiple times. Even if it had medikits originally, they were probably lost at some point in the development updates.

 

[k-ossuburb]

As I said on the other thread. We've still got Serious Sam to look forward to. Hopefully they'll learn from this failure (although I doubt it).

I mean, it doesn't look that bad so far:


So there's still hope for the old-style shooter to make a comeback.

So, I guess I'm saying, don't despair, there's still some form of silver lining.

 

[Triforceformer]

Why is it every fps developer these days feels the need to incorporate self-regenerating health and the 2 weapon arsenal. Why won't these mechanics die? What the hell was wrong with health packs? Why do they feel to the need to force me to carry only 2 weapons at a time? What's the point of this mechanic, and don't tell me realism.

I assumed Duke Nukem Forever would pay homage to the forgotten, arcadey, over-the-top first person shooters of the past. I was looking forward to climbing up a ladder backwards, holding an rpg, kicking with both legs at the same time. I was looking forward to experimenting with cool weapons on my own terms. But no, it's just another generic, brown, halo clone with a shrink ray. Thanks gearbox.

Blame 3D Realms, not Gearbox. They put the mechanics in, and you should blame them if you've got a problem with it. I, however, do not have a problem with it. The game was still fun as Hell when I played it, and that's all I wanted from DNF. Because yes, it's using mechanics from CoD and Halo, but at least Duke's game makes them fun.

 

[Gudrests]

The point of the mechanic is to give you choice making. Call it bad reasoning if you want, but that's the official "reason".

But its ok, its a shooter with a two weapon system. Everyone shout halo clone like its a bad thing, I know how hard people hate on halo nowadays for some insane reason.

It's not cursing out halo. Its cursing out the fact that it is indeed a clone of halo. No one likes clones. Watch a movie with a clone...they F shit up...even in video games. LOOK AT TRON...where was I going with this..RIGHT yeah...2 weapons at a time, dumb idea, hate it, this is Duke Nukem...He holds 1 weapon in each hand AT LEAST!!

 

[Vibhor]

Blame 3D Realms, not Gearbox. Gearbox have had Duke for a few months, 3D Realms have been working on it for 14 years.

You shitting me?
3D realms didn't made shit for duke nukem. When the project was shifted to gearbox, it 0% complete. Everything that has been done is made by Gearbox.

 

[ultimateownage]

For the people saying that it might not have been a 2 weapon system with 3D Realms; it was.
They released a trailer shortly before closing down, and it showed him replacing guns and regenerating health.

This is just as much Gearbox's fault though, they should have spent more time making it a Duke Nukem game instead of making it what 3D Realms wanted.

*EDIT* Also, why can the Cop Pigs dual wield M1911s but you can't?

 

[GeneticallyModifiedDucks]

Blame 3D Realms, not Gearbox. Gearbox have had Duke for a few months, 3D Realms have been working on it for 14 years.

Actually, Gearbox has had it for 2 years. Since May 2009, when 3D Realms closed its doors.

 

[starwarsgeek]

Why is it every fps developer these days feels the need to incorporate self-regenerating health and the 2 weapon arsenal. Why won't these mechanics die? What the hell was wrong with health packs? Why do they feel to the need to force me to carry only 2 weapons at a time? What's the point of this mechanic, and don't tell me realism.

The point of regenerating health is that developers will know how much health the player has at any given point, so it's possible for them to balance the difficulty of big battles.

The point of 2-weapon swaps is to add a layer of strategy to the fights. Your weapons determine how you fight.


The problem is, I too was hoping DNF would be the start of an FPS retro craze. I was hoping for a game that would bring back adventure elements with having to look for keycards. I was hoping to have a huge arsenal of over-the-top weapons at my disposal. While the mechanics are not inherently bad, they certainly don't fit with the game I was hoping for--if keycards are in the game, then players will have to explore a small mini-sandbox instead of a straight, linear level, which means they will find the med kits. As for the weapons, that works because most Halo and Call of Duty have boring, practical weapons for the most part. I don't mind choosing between a battle rifle or an assault rifle. Asking me to choose between a BFG and a shrink ray, though, is annoying. Cool, over-the-top weapons don't work with a limited carrying capacity.


Note: I haven't played the demo, so I don't know if they have smaller, explore-y levels or linear levels with enemies to gun down from point A to point B.

 

[Stavros Dimou]

Blame 3D Realms, not Gearbox. Gearbox have had Duke for a few months, 3D Realms have been working on it for 14 years.

You shitting me?
3D realms didn't made shit for duke nukem. When the project was shifted to gearbox, it 0% complete. Everything that has been done is made by Gearbox.

No,Gearbox aqcuired 80% of the game finished.