The cocky gents that refuse to win OR lose gracefully. For god's sake, you're not that awesome or cool. Yes your kill scored a point. So did mine. Maybe one of them won the match. That's the freaking game. Let's move on.
Let's have all of the above.Kirex said:This sums it up pretty well, but I'd like to add the kind of elitists that look down on people for (dis-)liking certain games. Why should someone care what games other people like or dislike? Makes no sense to me.hazabaza1 said:Elitists.
Be it PC, console, or based on any particular game or series, they're all massive fucks.
I'm in the same position as you, it wouldn't bug me at all but it has had an effect on the games that have been released recently, not to mention the games that will be released in the future.Paulo Belato said:I have a friend that refuses to play a lot of games based on the graphics not being "shiny" enough for him (if it isn't 3D graphics, he will most likely ignore the game). These types of people annoy me a little because they refuse to play games that have great mechanics because of graphics.
I don't agree that story has surpassed gameplay in terms of importance, but I also don't think gaming CAN'T have a good story. Video games are the most involved medium of art. No other medium allows the factor of immersion, and that can seriously aid a story. There are many games I've played that have better stories than books, and that have involved me more than a book would have. Just sayin'.Owyn_Merrilin said:You're serious. That makes me sad. Gaming is a gameplay medium, it's in the name. Can it tell stories? Yes. Can it do it anywhere near as well as a real story telling medium? No. A videogame is about as useful for telling a story as a choose your own adventure book is for playing a game. Sure, it'll get the job done, but is it really the best choice for the job? On the other hand, videogames are great for creating new types of games. Game mechanics are what sets the medium apart, not storytelling capabilities. I'll keep playing my games, you can go read a book or watch a movie, mr. story.Jay444111 said:The thing is that Story has become more important than gameplay due to the sheer evolution of games as a whole. It basically needs them at this point... I love this fact above all else as well! Video games with great stories are far, and I do mean, far greater than ones without.Trippy Turtle said:Ones that don't think the actual gameplay is important compared to story and things. Read a book or watch a movie if you want story. Games need passable gameplay with very few exceptions.
Also, people who say what you say about story in video games should not even bother playing video games anymore. Considering video games are now a major storytelling medium. This medium isn't about the high scores anymore mr retro.
I once played with a guy like that. I shouted at him through the mic on the grounds that, while the team did suck, I was scoring A lot and he did fuck all.Fredvdp said:I agree with those who are annoyed by players who don't play for fun. I dislike people raging about their noob team when they're playing on a random server in Team Fortress 2. What did they expect? It's better to give your team constructive feedback. That's what I do.
Jay444111 said:People who say that video games aren't a storytelling medium have either A, never played a video game before or B, doesn't even know what the word story is.Owyn_Merrilin said:You're serious. That makes me sad. Gaming is a gameplay medium, it's in the name. Can it tell stories? Yes. Can it do it anywhere near as well as a real story telling medium? No. A videogame is about as useful for telling a story as a choose your own adventure book is for playing a game. Sure, it'll get the job done, but is it really the best choice for the job? On the other hand, videogames are great for creating new types of games. Game mechanics are what sets the medium apart, not storytelling capabilities. I'll keep playing my games, you can go read a book or watch a movie, mr. story.Jay444111 said:The thing is that Story has become more important than gameplay due to the sheer evolution of games as a whole. It basically needs them at this point... I love this fact above all else as well! Video games with great stories are far, and I do mean, far greater than ones without.Trippy Turtle said:Ones that don't think the actual gameplay is important compared to story and things. Read a book or watch a movie if you want story. Games need passable gameplay with very few exceptions.
Also, people who say what you say about story in video games should not even bother playing video games anymore. Considering video games are now a major storytelling medium. This medium isn't about the high scores anymore mr retro.
A video game is better with a story than without. It can tell stories better than movies could ever hope to get. MGS is still a better story than anything made by the movie industry in the action genre. Fragile Dreams Farewell ruins of the moon is the saddest piece of fiction of all time and it is a video game.
People who crap on video game stories shouldn't even OWN a damn video game. Why own a video game if you will never respect it because it isn't as old as other mediums even though it does better than them in a early age already? Oh yeah, bias.
There are so many ways to tell a story and to outright deny all of the ones video games do and ones it does well is bullcrap ignorance.
Also, video games are not games. They are interactive fiction when they have a story and when they don't they are video games. (we really should ban the word game or gamer on this site just so we can get the right definition down.)
Also, please be quiet as well. People who keep the "If I want a story I can go read a book/watch a movie" You forfeit all rights to judge a story or to even own a video game at this point in time. It just shows how much ignorance you have over video games and their potential and their talents. Video games are better than movies these days. That is a fact. When a Downloadable game is better than 95% of movies you know movies are messed up.
Books... are sadly going to have a lot to deal with when any two bit author can get his way into the book industry thanks to kindle. So yeah... don't expect a lot of good to be in books for a while.
With video games however, in order to actually sell a game these days, you need talent and you need to make a great game. Otherwise you will fail. That alone makes it better than most other industries just due to the sane fact that this industry is incredibly competitive.
Also, those retro games nowadays? Guess which ones are remembered and often horribly expensive? The storytelling ones. Yep. Video games with story are more important than ones without story and even economics even agree with me on this one. You are just stuck in the past... where you belong if you keep such horribly cave man like views.
Okay, now you're just yanking my chain. That translates out to "nobody cares about gameplay, only story. That's why everyone buys the yearly updates of Madden and CoD."Jay444111 said:Deadly Premonition not only disagrees with that notion. But also kills it in its sleep. A game with bad gameplay and amazing story can in fact become a classic and often quite loves. However, a game with great gameplay and no story, not only rare these days, but most people really don't care about gameplay much... if at all. I know that sounds like heresy. But consider the fact that people are willing to pay 60 bucks a year for another madden or 60 a year when it comes to first person shooters. People just down care about newer gameplay mechanics. They mainly care about story more so. If the story is crap than the game is crap. Just look at Mass Effect 3 controversy if you want to know why story is so damn important in video games.Trippy Turtle said:Of course a good story is good for a game to have. But I would choose Minecraft over a game that has horrible gameplay but a good story anyday.Jay444111 said:The thing is that Story has become more important than gameplay due to the sheer evolution of games as a whole. It basically needs them at this point... I love this fact above all else as well! Video games with great stories are far, and I do mean, far greater than ones without.Trippy Turtle said:Ones that don't think the actual gameplay is important compared to story and things. Read a book or watch a movie if you want story. Games need passable gameplay with very few exceptions.
Also, people who say what you say about story in video games should not even bother playing video games anymore. Considering video games are now a major storytelling medium. This medium isn't about the high scores anymore mr retro.
COD sells perfectly fine, Minecraft sold over 7 million copies. I doubt you will find many people who bought them for the story. People still care about gameplay. What plausible reason is there to buy a game with bad gameplay when you could get book or movie for the story without horrible gameplay getting in the way?Jay444111 said:Deadly Premonition not only disagrees with that notion. But also kills it in its sleep. A game with bad gameplay and amazing story can in fact become a classic and often quite loves. However, a game with great gameplay and no story, not only rare these days, but most people really don't care about gameplay much... if at all. I know that sounds like heresy. But consider the fact that people are willing to pay 60 bucks a year for another madden or 60 a year when it comes to first person shooters. People just down care about newer gameplay mechanics. They mainly care about story more so. If the story is crap than the game is crap. Just look at Mass Effect 3 controversy if you want to know why story is so damn important in video games.Trippy Turtle said:Of course a good story is good for a game to have. But I would choose Minecraft over a game that has horrible gameplay but a good story anyday.Jay444111 said:The thing is that Story has become more important than gameplay due to the sheer evolution of games as a whole. It basically needs them at this point... I love this fact above all else as well! Video games with great stories are far, and I do mean, far greater than ones without.Trippy Turtle said:Ones that don't think the actual gameplay is important compared to story and things. Read a book or watch a movie if you want story. Games need passable gameplay with very few exceptions.
Also, people who say what you say about story in video games should not even bother playing video games anymore. Considering video games are now a major storytelling medium. This medium isn't about the high scores anymore mr retro.