What Was What in Avengers
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True, and The Vision can't really show up until the Avengers 2, or at least after Ant Man's movieecoho said:
I loved The Avengers, best damn superhero movie since The Dark Knight (I still enjoy the Dark Knight more).
The one, single, little thing that I didn't like in the movie, which overall didn't really affect my "critical opinion" was the Hulk.
Bah, stop listening to me complain and GO SEE THIS MOVIE!
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You're damn right high five.
The one, single, little thing that I didn't like in the movie, which overall didn't really affect my "critical opinion" was the Hulk.
I hated the way they just used him as a clumsy ape-like buffoon who's main purpose was to provide comic relief. I hated the way that after 2 movies and 8 years of David Banners internal and losing struggle to keep containment of the hulk, which I believe this is in part due to the consistant cast change, that completely out of left field, just shows up, gives a cheesy one-liner, and magicly can control his one mortal flaw that all Avengers have that makes them the amazing characters they are.
I don't know, it could have just been the damn annoying audience at the theatre that would not shut up about a damn thing and would laugh hystericly at everything that didn't have explosions, but that movie is damn-near perfect movie for me except for the happy ending (Iron Man should have died) and the way they depict the Hulk. Although, staying after the credits and seeing Thanos I understand why they needed a happy ending, but I really do hope that in the sequel they take advantage of a more dramatic and tragic story.
I don't know, it could have just been the damn annoying audience at the theatre that would not shut up about a damn thing and would laugh hystericly at everything that didn't have explosions, but that movie is damn-near perfect movie for me except for the happy ending (Iron Man should have died) and the way they depict the Hulk. Although, staying after the credits and seeing Thanos I understand why they needed a happy ending, but I really do hope that in the sequel they take advantage of a more dramatic and tragic story.
Bah, stop listening to me complain and GO SEE THIS MOVIE!
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You're damn right high five.
I have two Questions.Jaeke said:
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David Banner? You mean Bruce Banner?
Why should Iron Man have died?
Jaeke said:
Hmmm well as far as your spoilered bit goes:
The Hulk periodically gets control of himself, and you see Banner running the show with Hulk's strength, though when he's rational he's generally reasonable. For the most part when The Hulk is "sane" he's an Avengers member, when he's a berserker The Avengers usually get sent to try and contain or control him.
Super Heroes also rarely die, and it wouldn't fit the genere. Those that do die, typically come back. No point in complaining about the trope.
Also connected to the first point, if they ARE doing the Infinity Gauntlet arc, it is The Hulk in possession of Banner's brains who participates in that. Indeed one big aspect of the lead in to that battle was Wolverine and The Hulk being asked to not hold back and kill Thanos if they had a chance, as they are two of the only heroes who will kill without hestitation when they need arises.
Some tie ins to the whole thing also mentioned that they did The Hulk that way because generally speaking if Hulk was his raging self, he would have WTFpwned Thanos and smashed the gauntlet and walked off. The Hulk operating at full capacity is that ridiculous, multiple cosmic powered characters have trouble slowing him down, and when Thanos fought the heroes (the round before the army of cosmic entities) he had not mastered the powers, heck he didn't really have them under control until Eternity decided to step in... which like usual in a case where he shows up, he shows up five minutes after he could have dealt with a situation.
As a result, I'd expect more "Smart Hulk" (or controlled Hulk) in storylines where he's with other heroes. Hulk has to be written so he's not at full power in most cases, similar to how in DC in most stories they need to find some reason why Superman isn't at full power yet again. The Hulk only gets to be at full power when he's fighting other heroes usually (though there are exceptions) to prevent too many heavy hitters like Thanos having their careers end with his giant footprint imbedded in their smooshed face.
... and yes, I am quite aware of how powerful Eternals are. The Hulk has gone up against them before (Sersei, etc...) if I recall, as he has also run into guys like Firelord or The Silver Surfer, or even guys like Wonder Man (who has gotten slapped around like a little girl). Weak hulk they are more powerful than, mad hulk they are little more than a distraction.
Super Heroes also rarely die, and it wouldn't fit the genere. Those that do die, typically come back. No point in complaining about the trope.
Also connected to the first point, if they ARE doing the Infinity Gauntlet arc, it is The Hulk in possession of Banner's brains who participates in that. Indeed one big aspect of the lead in to that battle was Wolverine and The Hulk being asked to not hold back and kill Thanos if they had a chance, as they are two of the only heroes who will kill without hestitation when they need arises.
Some tie ins to the whole thing also mentioned that they did The Hulk that way because generally speaking if Hulk was his raging self, he would have WTFpwned Thanos and smashed the gauntlet and walked off. The Hulk operating at full capacity is that ridiculous, multiple cosmic powered characters have trouble slowing him down, and when Thanos fought the heroes (the round before the army of cosmic entities) he had not mastered the powers, heck he didn't really have them under control until Eternity decided to step in... which like usual in a case where he shows up, he shows up five minutes after he could have dealt with a situation.
As a result, I'd expect more "Smart Hulk" (or controlled Hulk) in storylines where he's with other heroes. Hulk has to be written so he's not at full power in most cases, similar to how in DC in most stories they need to find some reason why Superman isn't at full power yet again. The Hulk only gets to be at full power when he's fighting other heroes usually (though there are exceptions) to prevent too many heavy hitters like Thanos having their careers end with his giant footprint imbedded in their smooshed face.
... and yes, I am quite aware of how powerful Eternals are. The Hulk has gone up against them before (Sersei, etc...) if I recall, as he has also run into guys like Firelord or The Silver Surfer, or even guys like Wonder Man (who has gotten slapped around like a little girl). Weak hulk they are more powerful than, mad hulk they are little more than a distraction.
Nah, they can't do that as he's integral to understanding what Thanos is all about and why he loses. You do the story without Adam and you either wind up with everyone dying, or a pretty straightforward beatdown of Thanos... neither of which really does the whole idea justice.ritchards said:
While a villain that defeats themself is old hat for Marvel, this was a good story of it's kind, and to remain that way it has to be told in a very specific way.
I suppose they could always end it with The Silver Surfer actually succeeding with his last ditch grab (Adam having held him back, but I suppose he could just bide his time on his own), but given the horrors of the Fantastic Four movies, they would have to reboot that whole franchise for that one to work.
The same thing applies to say Doctor Doom, he was also there. They could always have him get the Infinity Gauntlet and then lose based on his own limitations and perhaps some psychological tampewring... but again it requires a Fantastic Four reboot. What they did to Doom... perhaps the greatest comic book villain of all time... was almost insulting.
I am hearing a lot of people point to "The Other" as Annihilus and that the aliens in the this movie only use the name "Chitauri" even though they are more akin to a cross between Skrulls and Negative Zone insect-people. I think its subtly implied that the portal the Cosmic Cube opened was actually a gateway into the Negative Zone which is often depicted as a void full of floating rocks and such.
There is indeed a second post-credits scene. But it's not a teaser or any sort of plot-advancer, it's just a for-laughs stinger, apparently shot on video, not "film."Arkvoodle said:
Also,
it features ScarJo eating a sandwich, thereby proving she consumes more food than some other model-type actresses, so that's something important I guess...
No no, Banner talks about "The other guy", by which he means Hulk. The alien with the creepy voice who keeps popping up in the movie is the one people are calling The Other, with a capital O (apparently Annihilus is another acceptable name).Danimaltl said:
People are speculating that The Other is Annihilus but you can't be sure. It could also just be a Chitauri Commander of some kind.OhJohnNo said:
Time for a good Deadpool movie to explain the Love triangle between Thanos, Death, and Deadpool!
Not bad idea. However the Cap says that it "looks like A Hydra Weapon" (I.e powered by the Cube). And the physicist that Loki mind controls (Selvig) says something along the lines of "the cube can't fight itself" when Black Widow uses the staff to shut down the portal. Now that does mean it could actually be a cube powered mind gem, which is all kinds of awesome. And I believe the staff is still on earth, so who knows Iron Man 3 may have Tony Stark playing around with it.Azex said:
Also the after credits scene, with Thanos' reveal, according to imdb has the Red Skull present (I'm assuming the Red Skull is the one who threatens Loki and acts as if he is Thanos' herald). The Red Skull knows all about weaponising the cosmic cube so would be the perfect person to create Loki's staff. And I know they don't ever actually get the cube but they are able to remotely activate it, allowing Loki to enter SHIELD's headquarters, so I imagine they have some way of accessing its power from a long distance away.
Imdb seem to think its Red Skull. Also the Cap says it "looks like a Hydra weapon" in regards to Loki's staff. And we never see the Red Skull die, just vanishes at the end of the Captain America film.Crazy_Dude said:
EDIT: imdb link, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0848228/trivia?tab=cz
I'm annoyed at my friends who made me leave the theatre before the credits finished rolling.therandombear said:They're gonna make a movie for each gem, introducing a new hero in each movie.....it would "add" more heroes to the avengers when the eventual "Last battle" with Thanos is and it wouldn't be 1 clustered movie where they get all gems at once.CatmanStu said:
Just a thought.
OT: I was majorly pissed at my cinema, when the credits started for the avengers the cinema lights up and movie is cut. They didn't show the credits.
This link claims that Thanos says that they underestimated Earth, but Thanos never talks, he just smiles. So I would guess that the person who wrote that thought that Thanos was the Red Skull and the other guy was Thanos. Not really sure though 'cause neither of them looked like the red skull.messy said: