Wait, you have "frieza" in your name and you're calling God "the most evil and sadistic crature in all of Fiction", you should know better. Also, my Cell avatar plus your Frieza screenname is going to make people think our rebellion against God is made entirely of Dragon Ball villains. Then they'll sick Gok-er Jesus on us...immortalfrieza said:Heh, I'd be the first to join your rebellion, God is easily the most evil and sadistic creature in all of Fiction. Also, no, wanting to destroy God doesn't make you a Fallen Angel, it just makes you a sensible human being. (Anyone else reading this post, yes, God is fictional, he doesn't exist and deep down every last person on the planet knows it, you just don't want to admit it).chaosyoshimage said:Rebel against his father, since, I guess it would turn out that troll is real. Wait, does that make me a fallen angel in Lucifer's army?
He was actually Jewish. Just thought I'd throw that out there.AntiChrist said:I'd ask him which religion he represents. If he answers: "Christianity," I'll ask wether he refers to Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, or Protestantism.
I admit that went over my head for a second, but then I laughed. Well played.HT_Black said:snipped for space
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Well done to you guys too. Not often that you see an argument because of religion that ends so amicably.Madara XIII said:snipped for space
Not just Jewish, but an ordained Rabbi.Epicspoon said:He was actually Jewish. Just thought I'd throw that out there.AntiChrist said:I'd ask him which religion he represents. If he answers: "Christianity," I'll ask wether he refers to Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, or Protestantism.
Cakes said:That is a belief more ridiculous than any religious doctrine I have ever heard.immortalfrieza said:(Anyone else reading this post, yes, God is fictional, he doesn't exist and deep down every last person on the planet knows it, you just don't want to admit it).
immortalfrieza said:That's impossible, NOTHING could be more ridiculous than religious doctrine. Seriously though, it's so painfully obvious that God doesn't exist that the fact that ANYONE believes in him or any other gods for that matter shows just how incredibly desperate for false hope the fear of death has made mankind.
No, but the vast majority of them do, and the other reason that people believe in religion is to give meaning to their lives, which is something that many people don't have the ability to give to themselves through their accomplishments, the people who will never invent anything useful for example.Cakes said:Many religions don't deal with the afterlife, genius.
Oh, they all deep down do realize that God doesn't exist, but without their denial to give them false hope and meaning in their lives most of them would end up in rubber rooms, ESPECIALLY martyrs, who would rather die than lose what's keeping their minds together. Denial is a powerful and very harmful thing, it makes people not see what is right in front them by definition, usually for the sake of retaining our sanity, because of a lack of mental fortitude to withstand the reality. This is why religion endures even in our age, though not why it was originally created, that has to do with manipulation, money, power, etc. Basically everything that mattered back when most religions were created, and still does matter.Cakes said:And are you seriously suggesting that every theist 'deep down' doesn't believe in a god? Including martyrs?
ah. I see. Well it's not like I care. I don't have a religion. (that's not to say I don't believe in god) Regardless most people I know would say he's Jewish. Of course I don't feel like arguing or looking into it so lets just say you're right.Avatar Roku said:Not just Jewish, but an ordained Rabbi.Epicspoon said:He was actually Jewish. Just thought I'd throw that out there.AntiChrist said:I'd ask him which religion he represents. If he answers: "Christianity," I'll ask wether he refers to Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, or Protestantism.
*Takes a bow*Avatar Roku said:I admit that went over my head for a second, but then I laughed. Well played.HT_Black said:snipped for space
immortalfrieza said:Oh, they all deep down do realize that God doesn't exist, but without their denial to give them false hope and meaning in their lives most of them would end up in rubber rooms, ESPECIALLY martyrs, who would rather die than lose what's keeping their minds together. Denial is a powerful and very harmful thing, it makes people not see what is right in front them by definition, usually for the sake of retaining our sanity, because of a lack of mental fortitude to withstand the reality. This is why religion endures even in our age, though not why it was originally created, that has to do with manipulation, money, power, etc. Basically everything that mattered back when most religions were created, and still does matter.
Yes, God is worse than Frieza, if he did exist all of the suffering in the entire world is either directly or indirectly caused by him. I can easily imagine God saying "let there be light!" creating the universe and then saying "Well, maybe now there will be something good on T.V., I'm so tired of the nothingness channel". Then he'd sit down and spend eternity laughing, crying, or whatever at our suffering, and like we do when we watch T.V. not do a thing about it.chaosyoshimage said:Wait, you have "frieza" in your name and you're calling God "the most evil and sadistic crature in all of Fiction", you should know better. Also, my Cell avatar plus your Frieza screenname is going to make people think our rebellion against God is made entirely of Dragon Ball villains. Then they'll sick Gok-er Jesus on us...immortalfrieza said:Heh, I'd be the first to join your rebellion, God is easily the most evil and sadistic creature in all of Fiction. Also, no, wanting to destroy God doesn't make you a Fallen Angel, it just makes you a sensible human being. (Anyone else reading this post, yes, God is fictional, he doesn't exist and deep down every last person on the planet knows it, you just don't want to admit it).chaosyoshimage said:Rebel against his father, since, I guess it would turn out that troll is real. Wait, does that make me a fallen angel in Lucifer's army?
In all seriousness though, deep down every last person on Earth doesn't secretly doubt there's a god. I bet a bunch of them do (That's how I came to my Atheism, never really believed in the first place) and are counting on Pascal's Wager, but the most hardcore of them don't. And I'm not just talking about extremists...
I didn't mean that to come across like I was arguing with you, I'm sorry. It's just an interesting factoid, though now that I think about it, I learned that in Hebrew School. The Rabbi who told me is a really nice guy who generally doesn't let faith come too far before reason, but take it with a grain of salt nonetheless.Epicspoon said:ah. I see. Well it's not like I care. I don't have a religion. (that's not to say I don't believe in god) Regardless most people I know would say he's Jewish. Of course I don't feel like arguing or looking into it so lets just say you're right.Avatar Roku said:Not just Jewish, but an ordained Rabbi.Epicspoon said:He was actually Jewish. Just thought I'd throw that out there.AntiChrist said:I'd ask him which religion he represents. If he answers: "Christianity," I'll ask wether he refers to Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, or Protestantism.
And how do you know what everyone on earth thinks? How in the world can anyone be so fucking arrogant? Note, this is coming from an atheistimmortalfrieza said:Yes, God is worse than Frieza, if he did exist all of the suffering in the entire world is either directly or indirectly caused by him. I can easily imagine God saying "let there be light!" creating the universe and then saying "Well, maybe now there will be something good on T.V., I'm so tired of the nothingness channel". Then he'd sit down and spend eternity laughing, crying, or whatever at our suffering, and like we do when we watch T.V. not do a thing about it.chaosyoshimage said:Wait, you have "frieza" in your name and you're calling God "the most evil and sadistic crature in all of Fiction", you should know better. Also, my Cell avatar plus your Frieza screenname is going to make people think our rebellion against God is made entirely of Dragon Ball villains. Then they'll sick Gok-er Jesus on us...immortalfrieza said:Heh, I'd be the first to join your rebellion, God is easily the most evil and sadistic creature in all of Fiction. Also, no, wanting to destroy God doesn't make you a Fallen Angel, it just makes you a sensible human being. (Anyone else reading this post, yes, God is fictional, he doesn't exist and deep down every last person on the planet knows it, you just don't want to admit it).chaosyoshimage said:Rebel against his father, since, I guess it would turn out that troll is real. Wait, does that make me a fallen angel in Lucifer's army?
In all seriousness though, deep down every last person on Earth doesn't secretly doubt there's a god. I bet a bunch of them do (That's how I came to my Atheism, never really believed in the first place) and are counting on Pascal's Wager, but the most hardcore of them don't. And I'm not just talking about extremists...
Oh, and everyone doesn't secretly doubt God exists, they KNOW, but for various reasons won't admit it to themselves, denial and lack thereof that's what makes the difference between relgious and Atheist.
Exactly. Though, that might be contained within Abrahamic religions, as believers and unbelievers fought it out.gamezombieghgh said:There would be fucking chaos.
One of the things that would separate Jesus from a Cult leader is that Jesus allegedly performed miracles. Now if he did that today, where we, the generation of information, technology, cell phone cameras, computers, video cameras, would shit bricks. Want to see something more objective when it comes to proof of Christianity? Simply type 'Jesus performing miracles' into youtube and enjoy what people claim to have seen 2000 years ago in a book which defies logic and has little proof, and see for yourself.
But what of those who are of other religions? Maybe the Jews would latch onto this one and say that their Savior has finally arrived, though not all would do this, and nobody can speak for all the Jews. Maybe the Pope, the top agent of God in the eyes of Catholics, would accept this, maybe he would reject it, and Catholics would follow him in this. Muslims, Hindus, and other religions would be in a very strange time; seeing the apparent miracle works of the son of God for Christianity, a religion vastly different and contradicting to their own in many respects, many would convert, many would reject, and shit would get real. People wouldn't want to accept it, and some of these people would be very rich and able to arrange an assassin to kill Jesus.