slo said:
Dr. Crawver said:
I'll just follow it on from here. Honestly all the questions you were given weren't totally dissimilar to any questions I would have had. You keep saying it looks like the most probably explanation, but you still give no reason as to why. You've been presented with sales figures, actual data, and highlighted that the publishers we're talking about don't get out of bed for less than 3 millions sales. Why do you think that some people complaining that they don't like tits is the explanation? Especially when you can't provide an example.
Such an example
cannot exist. You can't really pick up a hare that wasn't born because wolves ate his parents and file it as a proof. But the presence of wolves and the lack of hares fit together quite nicely and explain the world well. And that's exactly what's required of a theory. To explain the world well, that is. Now you might go on and try to disprove it, but so far no one really did.
Also, the data does not mean jack, there's too little of it and I'd rather trust that one nutaku guy, who said that there is a demand for such games and backed it with the data too, mind you.
"The data does not mean jack"
Spoken like someone who absolutely doesn't like what the data is telling them, but not someone to be taken seriously in a debate wherein data is probably the only significant factor to be discussed. The bottom line data of shit sales isn't hard to figure out, it matches the anecdotal reaction you see in this thread, and frankly it matches the decision by all involved not to bother too much with it.
It's the equivalent of someone in Japan lamenting that they don't get "SkineMax", and blaming it on Japan's various legal and social hangups. I feel for you, but I don't really care and since you aren't going to just say, "I hate that more people don't like what I like..."
EternallyBored said:
Davroth said:
Mmmm, have you actually ever played a DOAX game? Calling it pornographic is reallllllly stretching it. What I'm trying to say is there is no money shots of any kind.
But the answer really is that there is not as much of a market for it in the west, since us long-nosed devils are for the most part pretty repressed sexually. Thank you, Christianity. I'm not all too invested in it either way, though, since those kinds of games don't appeal to me. I just find sweeping statements like those I initially replied to kind of gross.
Honestly, I've always found Japan to be more on the repressed side, publicly at least, especially public displays like clothes and displays of affection. Although, Japanese strip clubs are pretty wild, very explicit, that might just be Tokyo though.
It is the home of a 15 year old boys literally losing the ability to speak at the sight of a classmate's panties, being a nearly ubiquitous trope. Where the idea of "sharing a kiss" from sharing a drink is again, a running trope. Realistically it's also still a country wherein your potentially traditional parents, grandparents, and so on have really seriously expectations of you, and you don't want to be seen as coming up short.
The other thing that I think a lot of people in love with the idea of Japan miss, is that the concept of "permitted" is broad, because the built in social and economic consequences rarely require a legal framework. To be in serious trouble for your average Japanese person would be something to be avoided at all costs. Likewise, to be seen as strange or a pervert would instantly downgrade your social standing. How that gets expressed though is mostly thought, "Well it's just going to be that way" or "Let him be". That's not an endorsement, but they've basically written you off so they're done. That's not the same as embracing something.
Finally, and most of all, people just miss the, "I'm not seeing/hearing anything beyond by personal space" factor in public settings. It's a culture with a long history of living packed like sardines, and the way the culture works reflects that. "None of my business" is a big fucking deal in Japan, for better or worse, it's why a lot of domestic abuse and similar issues struggle to be addressed regardless of the laws. It's also a country in which outward appearances matter so much, that families and friends often cover for each other to avoid lasting shame, or even to avoid being associated at all with it.
It's not simple, it's not a matter of "Wide open arms and no prudishness" just as you said.