What's keeping the West from making DOAX style games?

[Avnger]

I think "Thundercunt" might be a start, but you seem to have a creative mind, so I'll leave you to it.

I just wanted to pop back in and say that I am simply baffled by the pure majesty of this word and will be using it for the rest of my living days. Thank you

 

[Smithnikov_v1legacy]

Actually, the GamerGate side justifies calling a woman a slut with the cute little meme about master keys and shitty locks. Ever seen that one?

You mean the lady who cheated on her boyfriend with at least five other guys in the name of her career advancement got called a slut? Last I checked, that was a pretty good description of such a person.

Also, no. I've actually never seen that meme used in GG circles. Might have missed it, but that's all I can say about it.

No not that one. I mean the meme that gets posted every time someone asks "Why is a woman who sleeps with lots of men a slut, but a man who sleeps with lots of women a stud"

 

[Smithnikov_v1legacy]

Actually, the GamerGate side justifies calling a woman a slut with the cute little meme about master keys and shitty locks. Ever seen that one?

Actually, this cute little meme is ages old, and GG does not have central authority. Please avoid judging anonymous communities as if they're a single individual, because this is the shortest path into the strawman territory and "us vs them" mentality.

The die has already been cast. Horse has left the barn, cowboy.

That "anonymous community" saw fit to judge me, so I'm simply returning the favor. As for "us vs them" territory? They made it clear I'm one of the "them"'s, being as I've been assessed as a cuckold mangina SJW given my defense of State of Decay.

 

[Metalix Knightmare]

Actually, the GamerGate side justifies calling a woman a slut with the cute little meme about master keys and shitty locks. Ever seen that one?

You mean the lady who cheated on her boyfriend with at least five other guys in the name of her career advancement got called a slut? Last I checked, that was a pretty good description of such a person.

Also, no. I've actually never seen that meme used in GG circles. Might have missed it, but that's all I can say about it.

No not that one. I mean the meme that gets posted every time someone asks "Why is a woman who sleeps with lots of men a slut, but a man who sleeps with lots of women a stud"

Dunno where you're getting the idea that GG supports that kind of mentality. One of our biggest supporters is a frigging porn star.

 

[Smithnikov_v1legacy]

Dunno where you're getting the idea that GG supports that kind of mentality. One of our biggest supporters is a frigging porn star.

/pol/, /r/edpill, /gamergateHQ/, /GGrevolt/ mainly.

Also, Mercedes Carerra believes women shouldn't be allowed to vote contrary to their husband's opinions. Sure you want to hold her up as a bastion of sexual liberty?

Not to mention she's starred in scores of lesbian porn, but routinely calls people "faggots" without a hint of irony? Has given oral scores of time on film, but has no problem using "cocksucker" as an insult?

 

[Metalix Knightmare]

Not to mention she's starred in scores of lesbian porn, but routinely calls people "faggots" without a hint of irony? Has given oral scores of time on film, but has no problem using "cocksucker" as an insult?

Are...are you new to the English language or something? Like, seriously, are you? Especially with that second half there, "Has given oral scores of time on film, but has no problem using "cocksucker" as an insult".

You think that just because a person does that sort of thing literally, they should not be able to use it in a figurative sense? I jerk off all the frigging time, doesn't stop me or anyone else who masturbates regularly (Which would probably be a little less than 99.999% of all living humans) from calling people jerkoffs or whatever the female version of masturbation is called. Heck, the gay people I know are also pretty darned liberal with calling each other faggots when one of them is being a pain in the neck.

Also, Mercedes Carerra believes women shouldn't be allowed to vote contrary to their husband's opinions. Sure you want to hold her up as a bastion of sexual liberty?

Considering a big part of feminism is supposed to be choice? Yes. If she believes that, that's her goddamed right as a person and an American. Who are you to tell her otherwise?

/pol/, /r/edpill, /gamergateHQ/, /GGrevolt/ mainly.

/pol/ has it's own agenda that often doesn't coincide with GG's ideas, same with /r/, /GGrevolt/ I can't say much of due to not visiting them often and most GG affiliated areas wishing to distance themselves from it (Seriously, bring up revolt on HQ. See how many people accuse you of shitposting) and /gamergateHQ/ has been pretty upfront with NOT supporting that mentality beyond /pol/ and the like shitposting.

Also, as would be said on each of those boards, yes because /pol/, /r/edpill, /gamergateHQ/, /GGrevolt/ are hive minds.

Seriously, may I recommend you stay away from anything Chan related? You've already proven LONG ago you don't really get the cultures over there, and every time you bring them up you just weaken any arguments you have. Stick to Kotaku in Action on Reddit.

Edit: Also, where the heck did you get the idea that /r/edpill had any close affiliation with Gamer Gate? I actually had to google that name to see anything pop up! Pretty much the only real major common ground is a regular use of the word Beta to describe the men who are against Gamer Gate, and a distaste for feminism which in the case of Gamer Gate mostly stems from horrible people trying to hide behind it as a criticism shield!

Seriously man, this is starting to enter lizard people territory.

 

[Smithnikov_v1legacy]

Are...are you new to the English language or something?

Far from it. It was my best subject in school and I take things like grammar and vocabulary use very serious.

You think that just because a person does that sort of thing literally, they should not be able to use it in a figurative sense?

Oh they can use it all they like, but I'll call them out on their hipocrisy for doing so. It doesn't speak well for their character, to me, to use "cock sucker" as an insult when one does it themselves for pay.

I jerk off all the frigging time, doesn't stop me or anyone else who masturbates regularly (Which would probably be a little less than 99.999% of all living humans) from calling people jerkoffs

You want to be that way, be that way, just don't let it be known that fact or people will likely dismiss you for it, and rightly so.

Considering a big part of feminism is supposed to be choice? Yes. If she believes that, that's her goddamed right as a person and an American. Who are you to tell her otherwise?

Because she's saying that women should not have that same freedom.

/pol/ has it's own agenda that often doesn't coincide with GG's ideas

Demolish feminism and liberalism. Reestablish universal male dominance in sexual relationships (hence their constant use of "cuckold" so wildly, broadly and inaccurately against their opponents). Protect artistic mediums from left wing ideals and influence. It's even spread over to tabletop games now, and GG has been discussing in /tg/ how to keep RPG's good and conservative. What am I missing?

Edit: Also, where the heck did you get the idea that /r/edpill had any close affiliation with Gamer Gate?

Memes of the positives of chugging red pills, and cartoons of Vivian James chugging red pills as well.

Pretty much the only real major common ground is a regular use of the word Beta to describe the men who are against Gamer Gate

That too, thank you.

 

[Metalix Knightmare]

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Wow. Just...just wow. I could go all day here, but that one bit about people dismissing me over jerkoff, I can't even begin to describe everything wrong with that.

 

[Erttheking]

Also, Mercedes Carerra believes women shouldn't be allowed to vote contrary to their husband's opinions. Sure you want to hold her up as a bastion of sexual liberty?

Considering a big part of feminism is supposed to be choice? Yes. If she believes that, that's her goddamed right as a person and an American. Who are you to tell her otherwise?

Someone with a basic respect for the intelligence of women. If someone think women shouldn't be allowed to vote, then fuck them. As an American, she has every right to hold that world view. And I have every right to tell her to go fuck herself for having that world view. That fucking stupid, archaic, misogynistic, self hating, has no purpose existing in the 21st century, world view. So yeah. She can go fuck herself. If she has a problem with that, too bad.

Also the whole ****** thing. Honestly using that world...yeah, she can go fuck herself. That's pretty much the modern equivalent of the n-word. I don't personally know a single LGBT person who wouldn't flip at that. And I know quite a few.

 

[Smithnikov_v1legacy]

Wow. Just...just wow. I could go all day here, but that one bit about people dismissing me over jerkoff

A better way to say it I guess was that I think people SHOULD if they have any sort of sense of consistency. And why shouldn't one dimiss you for it? You're using what you do regularly as an insult against someone. Not very sensible.

I can't even begin to describe everything wrong with that.

Try. I'd like to hear it.

 

[Gengisgame]

Wow. Just...just wow. I could go all day here, but that one bit about people dismissing me over jerkoff

A better way to say it I guess was that I think people SHOULD if they have any sort of sense of consistency. And why shouldn't one dimiss you for it? You're using what you do regularly as an insult against someone. Not very sensible.

I can't even begin to describe everything wrong with that.

Try. I'd like to hear it.

Smithnow there's little point trying to debate with you.

I was discussing this matter, I mentioned shaming was a big factor, gave popular examples and your counter point was "but I don't do that" as if that was relevant to the idea that it's a factor.

You then went on about GG and all these things they apparently do as if this had any relevance to my points.

For future discussions at least realize how it makes you look if you dismiss what group A does with, "I don't do that" and then for some reason feel it's ok to go on about what group B does, that's clearly showing that your not listening to points, your just arguing sides,you see it as something to be won.

We know these things are very popular in Japan, we know these things are very popular here with Skyrim mods, what we are here to discuss is why they aren't sold here.

Now Bethesda will not allow nudity mods in there games, these are made for free, they would cost Bethesda nothing, so at the very least in this instance it's not a factor of people not wanting it as some people are claiming, focus on why Bethesda does that, it will be a good starting point for some proper discussions.

 

[PapaGreg096]

Wow. Just...just wow. I could go all day here, but that one bit about people dismissing me over jerkoff

A better way to say it I guess was that I think people SHOULD if they have any sort of sense of consistency. And why shouldn't one dimiss you for it? You're using what you do regularly as an insult against someone. Not very sensible.

I can't even begin to describe everything wrong with that.

Try. I'd like to hear it.

Smithnow there's little point trying to debate with you.

I was discussing this matter, I mentioned shaming was a big factor, gave popular examples and your counter point was "but I don't do that" as if that was relevant to the idea that it's a factor.

You then went on about GG and all these things they apparently do as if this had any relevance to my points.

For future discussions at least realize how it makes you look if you dismiss what group A does with, "I don't do that" and then for some reason feel it's ok to go on about what group B does, that's clearly showing that your not listening to points, your just arguing sides,you see it as something to be won.

We know these things are very popular in Japan, we know these things are very popular here with Skyrim mods, what we are here to discuss is why they aren't sold here.

Now Bethesda will not allow nudity mods in there games, these are made for free, they would cost Bethesda nothing, so at the very least in this instance it's not a factor of people not wanting it as some people are claiming, focus on why Bethesda does that, it will be a good starting point for some proper discussions.

Okay the difference between Skyrim and Doax is that there is more to skyrim than titllation and said mods were free

 

[Gengisgame]

Okay the difference between Skyrim and Doax is that there is more to skyrim than titllation and said mods were free

There is also more to DOA than titillation otherwise it would just be an animated movie, not really here to argue how much more just pointing out that very important factor.

Although I am glad you focused on the important bit in my post but you still seem to have missed the point, it being the exact same type of game is irrelevant to my point, just the factor of why certain things are not allowed.

As you said the mods where free, people want mods revolving around more attractive characters but despite there being no restriction against it Besthesda will not allow topless women let alone sex.

It costs them no more than any other mod, people want it, it's an 18+ game with extremely violent content so it's perfectly legal for them to include it so why do they restrict?

Answers simple, the backlash, they fear people within the industry who have a problem with sexualized women.

Even when the content is free and being made by us we are still being denied so could the people here who have a problem with it please stop pretending it's because nobody wants it.

 

[Smithnikov_v1legacy]

We know these things are very popular in Japan, we know these things are very popular here with Skyrim mods, what we are here to discuss is why they aren't sold here.

And I made my case as to WHY they aren't as successful here, and stand by it. I only get a bit testy about it when people want to go to the usual "It's liberal feminist SJW's conspiring to keep these games unsuccessful.

Now Bethesda will not allow nudity mods in there games, these are made for free, they would cost Bethesda nothing, so at the very least in this instance it's not a factor of people not wanting it as some people are claiming, focus on why Bethesda does that, it will be a good starting point for some proper discussions.

I'm not sure WHY Bethesda does that. Yes, there's a market for it, but is there enough of a market for it to make it standard to the game? I'm not convinced there is. Course, the beauty of the mod scene is that they'll fill the demand no matter how niche, which I don't consider a bad thing at all. Likewise for people wanting gaming porn. It's out there, and a lot of times, it's for cheap or free. Why, I ask, worry so much about AAA price games wanting to feature or not feature it when the product you seek is already out there for even lower cost and less hassle?

Sorry, but the whole thing comes off across to me as another attempt to turn another part of gaming culture into the same tired left wing vs right wing pigshit slinging match, something which too much of gaming has become anyway.

 

[Smithnikov_v1legacy]

There is also more to DOA than titillation

The fighting game? Definitely agree. I like it myself, even if online matches come down to pretty much who can slam light punch the fastest.

The X games? Harder time justifying that, though.

As you said the mods where free, people want mods revolving around more attractive characters but despite there being no restriction against it Besthesda will not allow topless women let alone sex.

It costs them no more than any other mod, people want it, it's an 18+ game with extremely violent content so it's perfectly legal for them to include it so why do they restrict?

Answers simple, the backlash, they fear people within the industry who have a problem with sexualized women.

Even when the content is free and being made by us we are still being denied so could the people here who have a problem with it please stop pretending it's because nobody wants it.

Never said "nobody' want it, just that not ENOUGH people want it to make it a mainstream feature.

And thinking about it, I'm not sure I WANT a bunch of AAA suits handling aspects like that. I'd still rather leave it in the hands of the modders who will, in all liklihood, have a better appreciation of it and will much more likely make the material satisfying. If you want a certain kind of sexuality or kink in your game, do you really want it being overseen by a suit, or a modder who shares your kink or view on what would be satisfying?

 

[Einspanner]

There is also more to DOA than titillation

The fighting game? Definitely agree. I like it myself, even if online matches come down to pretty much who can slam light punch the fastest.

The X games? Harder time justifying that, though.

As you said the mods where free, people want mods revolving around more attractive characters but despite there being no restriction against it Besthesda will not allow topless women let alone sex.

It costs them no more than any other mod, people want it, it's an 18+ game with extremely violent content so it's perfectly legal for them to include it so why do they restrict?

Answers simple, the backlash, they fear people within the industry who have a problem with sexualized women.

Even when the content is free and being made by us we are still being denied so could the people here who have a problem with it please stop pretending it's because nobody wants it.

Never said "nobody' want it, just that not ENOUGH people want it to make it a mainstream feature.

And thinking about it, I'm not sure I WANT a bunch of AAA suits handling aspects like that. I'd still rather leave it in the hands of the modders who will, in all liklihood, have a better appreciation of it and will much more likely make the material satisfying. If you want a certain kind of sexuality or kink in your game, do you really want it being overseen by a suit, or a modder who shares your kink or view on what would be satisfying?

Or to put it another way, why is "Amateur" porn so popular?

 

[TGC]

It's hard to animate women. =^)

Sorry, couldn't resist. I'll go sit in the corner now.

 

[Smithnikov_v1legacy]

It's hard to animate women. =^)

Sorry, couldn't resist. I'll go sit in the corner now.

And it's also impossible to make female plastic molds for female Imperial Guard soldiers even though 40k canon clearly states that every single regiment has a sizable female population at all levels of rank.

 

[Lykosia_v1legacy]

If you're looking for games with "adult" themes go to Patreon. That site is full of that crap. Some of them are actually pretty decent I might add.

 

[Gengisgame]

I'm not sure WHY Bethesda does that. Yes, there's a market for it, but is there enough of a market for it to make it standard to the game? I'm not convinced there is. Course, the beauty of the mod scene is that they'll fill the demand no matter how niche, which I don't consider a bad thing at all. Likewise for people wanting gaming porn. It's out there, and a lot of times, it's for cheap or free. Why, I ask, worry so much about AAA price games wanting to feature or not feature it when the product you seek is already out there for even lower cost and less hassle?

Sorry, but the whole thing comes off across to me as another attempt to turn another part of gaming culture into the same tired left wing vs right wing pigshit slinging match, something which too much of gaming has become anyway.

You dismissed the most important part of my point with an "I don't know"

Tip, don't tell someone what they should like. You have already said you don't like it so show some empathy and understand that people can want what you don't like.

If it becomes right vs left then that's on you, wanting sexualized games does not make you one or the other.

Now I find it hard to believe that you can't even make a guess as to why Bethesda does not allow mods of a sexual nature in a free, adult only game, try.

I'm going to be rude and make assumptions based on past experience but I can't help feel that you know the answer is "potential backlash" and that you will dance around the issue.