What's Wrong With Communism?

[JWAN]

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Everything anyone could possibly say has been said a dozen times.
I don't like it because it assumes that everyone will be able to work the same amount and if they don't they still reap the benefits while other people need to take out the slack.

Doctors get paid the same as garbage collectors, and you can never earn enough to become comfortable or to move up in society. Your always stuck on the bottom rung eating shit from the government that runs everything and soaks up all of the money.

examples of Communism failing:
Afghanistan
Albania
Angola
Benin
Bulgaria
Cambodia
Congo
Czechoslovakia
East Germany
Ethiopia
Mongolia
Mozambique
Poland
Romania
Somalia
South Yemen
Yugoslavia
North Korea- Still communist but their people are starving
Vietnam- Still communist but their people are starving
Laos- Still communist but their people are starving
Russia (says their not)
Cuba Still communist but their people are starving, (at least they get a box of partially used band-aids every time they need a heart transplant.)
China- <-- changing many things but still a Communist nation

Its funny now that capitalist countries are giving hundreds millions of dollars of aid to most of those countries because the people are starving and the government doesn't care about them(marked with a dash). Most of the aid never even trickles past the government or the military, most of the time the government takes all of it then goes back to bashing the U.S and other capitalist countries. This is why I say we just cut them off and secure their borders from the outside and in a scientific experiment let their system work (about 20 years) and then when its done we count the bodies.

Other than that we won the Cold War with a capitalist system.

 

[Knonsense]

Well, my opposition to collectivism is at the core of my existence. I don't see what could possibly make you think that it's a good idea. Equality would have to be enforced to exist, and if equality was enforced, nobody would have any reason to try to succeed. You can't possibly expect people to give "according to their ability" if they are invariably to receive "according to their need." We would need slave labor to keep afloat in these conditions, which requires inequality and contradicts the message. Even if society could stay in this state, people would starve and/or technology would halt because of the drop in productivity.

Besides which, what would be good about economic equality?

There is no such thing as free health care. You've probably been watching too many Michael Moore or Harry Potter movies.

Other than that, how do you think communism would be implemented, if the problem truly lies here? It requires such absolute control and incorruptibility that no method of creating or running a government that we have ever seen could move us towards it. Democracy sure as hell wouldn't work. It attracts corruption like honey attracts flies. The reason it works is in the limited power of government, which wouldn't allow any forced attempt at communism.

 

[Foolishman1776]

Communism won't work because it's based on an ideal. It's based on the assumption that people will work together, totally selflessly, for the good of the whole group. This is impossible, it is impossible to be utterly selfless, all the time, and still have a working brain. Communism will never work, and I, for one say good. World peace and happiness may sound like a good idea, but to me it sounds boring.

 

[OriginalError]

That, in my opinion, is why America is great. You can stand in front of the white house and chant "Down with capitalism, communism forever!" and you won't be arrested, sequestered into some rat hole and then shot for sedition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989 In the 50's
//J.

In the 50's you would.

Maybe you should examine your history a little more closely. No one was killed (or even arrested on charges of sedition) during the McCarthyism era (which lasted... what? 4 years?). If you're seriously interested in putting McCarthy in his context, try reading some more. (http://www.amazon.com/Joseph-McCarthy-Reexamining-Americas-Senator/dp/0684836254/ would be a good start). No one is killed for the expression of ideas in America. That makes it better than the 'Communism' in any country today.

Believe it.
//J.

 

[Gerazzi]

I refuse to work together with people unless completely necessary.
It's not particularly bad but I don't want to share, so in a whole I am a greedy bastard who does not want to be forced to share money with poorer people and also America is not yet rich enough to have a middle class that's paid the same amount of money for each job.

Not while schools have differences in price, anyway.
The day they make college free is the day I start supporting Communism.

 

[knugen]

So really, what's wrong with Communism?

The main problem with a land with communism as governement is that the only place were one could make a career(which I would argue is human nature to always get better and make more money) is in politics and rubbing asses with party rulers.

The whole idea of communism works to a degree, but it sacrifices the drive for people to make things more efficient or find out new ways to make things for the market(since you get told how much and what you need to produce).

The second main problem is that communism(and all systems adopted planned economy) need REALLY intelligent and foreseeing people in order to make the internal market work, exactly how many tons of wheat that needs to be produced or how many cars, etc.

It just doesn't work in reality, as it's said in theory.

 

[Clashero]

Hello! I'm a person who likes the idea of owning my own business, and deciding how to run it, how to price things, et cetera. If the State expects to give up my freedoms and liberties for the sake of the incompetent, the inept and the lazy so that we can all be equal and make the same amount of money, they've got another thing coming.

 

[Jaranja]

All the leaders of communist countries have been bad at their job.

 

[Macgyvercas]

In theory, nothing is wrong with it. In practice, however, it falls apart because there will always be some greedy tossers who want all the power and money for themselves. I think the Native Americans came as close to true communism as anyone is ever goning to get.

 

[Timeforunleash]

Communism is like Anarchy. It sounds great, but in real life it just turns into some kind of dictatorship.

 

[Standby]

Free Healthcare isn't communist, it's just something a country has when they don't want a percentage of the population to die due to not being able to afford life-saving drugs or surgery.
You know, when you care about your fellow man?

 

[UnravThreads]

Communism won't work because it's based on an ideal. It's based on the assumption that people will work together, totally selflessly, for the good of the whole group. This is impossible, it is impossible to be utterly selfless, all the time, and still have a working brain. Communism will never work, and I, for one say good. World peace and happiness may sound like a good idea, but to me it sounds boring.

Basically it. Communism is one of these ideas that sounds perfect. Everyone gets along, we all have a good time, no one is better than anyone else and so forth.

Real world situations aren't like that. I might be able to do more work in a day than Joe Bloggs, and further the community more, but I'd get the same as he does. In Communism, this is fair as everyone is "equal". In our western society, it's not fair. Ironically, our society is backwards. A footballer gets paid (in England, and we're talking professional) a huge sum for basically kicking a ball about, whereas a fire fighter who risks his life to save others gets paid a much lower wage. How on Earth is this correct?

 

[HentMas]

actually Capitalism is a supper great idea!!!... but yeah, it´s still just an "idea"

and comunism is just an idea

so is socialism, everyting about politics is just an "idea" because nothing works out as it´s supposed to.

 

[keinushi]

according to Marx, nothing. Provided the country goes through capitalism first. Russia skipped capitalism, thereby fucking everything up

what about that massive period in history when the tsar (czar, or whatever way you spell it) ruled russia

I believe the Czar was more of a monarch than the duly elected leader of a capitalist society, on that note, I think its more of a way businesses are run than whose in charge that determines whether a society is capitalist or not

 

[Rigs83]

Communism has failed when the state is distracted by a Cold War. Russia was preparing to fight World War 3 with America while China was concerned with just raising the standards of living for it's people (at least after Mao died) so the USSR dumped all it had into defense and lost the Cold War to the Beatles and Disneyland while China is winning now economically and from what you see in films culturally (when was the last time an American Movie didn't have either some wire fu or martial arts fighting styles).

 

[Supreme Unleaded]

I live in america and I think communism is fine. I know that the U.S.S.R. is a really bad excample and everyone uses it. Communism can work well if you have the right leader.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

In theory? Nothing. In practice? Same problem as with every political system, "absolute power corrupts absolutely."

 

[Haliwali]

A good idea, great on paper, but simply wrong. Why should I, a grocery store clerk, get the same pay as the CEO of my company? That hardly strikes me as fair. Also, it can never work in practice because it ignores the human desire for more. We will always want to achieve more, want a better quality of life. Now, some individuals may be able to completely submerge themselves in this idea, but without complete and total cooperation from everyone, someone would try to exploit the sytem, ruining for all. The only way to avoid that is to brainwash everyone into following this idea whole heatedly, without question, without doubt. This would require the removal of free-will, in and of itself wrong.

 

[wrightry]

The idea of communism isn't the problem, it's the fact that society always finds a way to screw things over. I disagree with the idea that Obama will make things communist, but hey everyone's got an opinion.