exactly which is why the roman empire was just awful.Dango said:Saving a bit of the stuff they collected of the stuff doesn't really matter when you murder or enslave almost everyone associated with it.Death_Korps_Kommissar said:True, but at least try saved some of the stuff they collected before the church went nuts when it first came to power.Dango said:The Roman Empire would have screwed up everything, Christian or not. Pre-Christianity it was just an empire based off propaganda and nationalist extremism.Death_Korps_Kommissar said:Fuck the renaissance. Ancient Greece was on the verge of an industrial revolution and the celts had mapped the stars, almost all was lost because of the roman empire, especially when the Pope took over and thousands of "pagan" writings were burned, like all the books in the library of Alexandria. But ironically anything we know about the celts and Druids was saved thanks to Irish monksDango said:Galileo's studies never would have occurred without support from the Pope and other officials within the church.Death_Korps_Kommissar said:I agree on points 1 and 3.Dango said:Science has not, and never will, rule out the exist of a higher power.
Despite not being religious, I believe religion is one of the most beneficial parts of humanity, and it is what has caused us to progress for thousands of years.
Killing someone is never justified, with the exception of having no other alternative to saving another's life.
How ever with 2 you are so very wrong. We progressed as a species because we were curios, because we had a desire to see how things worked.
Religion says it's magic so deal with it. Saying god done it gets us to the arse end of no-where and can even prevent our progress. Go ask Galileo.
Religion is what funded and provided nearly all advances in society, art, and science during the Renaissance and Medieval periods.
But then of course, we should never have been in the situation in the first place.
Tl;DR the Renaissance was just us rediscovering this the Greeks discovered 1500 years before hand.
But things didn't get better afterwords let's be honest.