WHITE GUY DEFENSE FORCE GO!
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I didn't know it was a message to get offended at things while completely ignoring context. If that is a "message" then I agree, I mocked them for it.Master of the Skies said:
You still need to explain to me how I am being discriminatory. If you've done it before then please illuminate that to me by re-quoting yourself because I clearly can not see it. Perhaps then we can discuss the merits of your accusation in that instance rather than going around in circles with me asking you to explain how I am being discriminatory with you stating you have already proven I have.
Being a hypocrite is not being discriminatory, by the way. If you wish to discuss me being a hypocrite I will gladly after we have tackled the issue of me being supposedly discriminatory - which I asked you a good many posts ago.
*looks around, trying to decide whether or not to wade into this mess, then puts on wading boots*Super Not Cosmo said:
Okay, this post slapped me upside the head with how close it was to the point the comic is making. Are you being satirical? Or did you break all the mirrors in your house?
First off, a comic about "a starving black man who's (sic) food stamp card was hidden under his work boots" would be strictly a racist stereotype. Why? Because the SNAP program is used mostly by working adults with kids and more white people are on it than black. And yet, every time food stamps is mentioned, it comes down to black people defrauding the system. Not black working parents getting food stamps, or just people in general defrauding the system. Specifically, fraud by black people. It doesn't rely on reality or facts; it simply picks out a group of people to portray negatively.
This is opposed to what the comic is saying, which is that there is a group (and let's face it, a very large and vocal group) of white men who will scream loudly every time racism is brought up. They even have their very own news network! The comic was not a joke about white male stereotypes. If it was, it'd have touched on, I don't know, hillbilly cousin sex. There is a huge difference between an offensive stereotype and an actual reality. You, yourself, fall into that latter group.
If this comic was actually an 'offensive stereotype,' like your example, then it would have something in common. So let's go over that. Are there equally large groups of non-white or non-male people screaming about how there's racism against white men? Hm, some white women agree, but not in equally large groups. And certainly few minority groups could match white men in this.
Does it state something untrue (such as most welfare recipients committing fraud)? No, because there is a fairly large and vocal group of white men complaining every time someone even thinks of racism as a cause for someone's behavior. Like I said, they even have their own news network. I'd even go so far as saying they have their own political party, too.
And lastly, did this comic broadly apply the "stereotype" to all/most white men (such as 'all or most black people are on welfare') or was it specifying a group of white men? No, it was not saying that all white men do this. However, it was saying that the problem is widespread enough that there always seems to be at least a few white guys around who will show up to complain about how they're being offensively stereotyped.
And you just proved them right. Good job.
Butt-masonry sounds like it could be a thing.Scarecrow said:
EDIT: Dear God this thing reached 20 pages. WE DID IT JOHNNY!
Nah, buttlonging's got a better ring to it. The hard 't' sound followed by the 'h' doesn't flow as well, in my humble opinion.Scarecrow said:
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Hm . . .
"make: *** No rule to make target 'sandwich'. Stop."
Well, so much for that idea.
Didn't say that. Where did you even get this from?Smilomaniac said:
So you admit your argument is not based on fact and entirely on anecdotal evidence. Ok then.Smilomaniac said:
Then why are you even here? That's what this comic is about, black people in video games.Smilomaniac said:
No, I'm painting you as a mens rights activist because you advocated for mens rights (see, because you know, that's what "men's rights activist" means). And when did men's rights suddenly become the opposite of woman's rights anyways? I don't have a problem with men's rights. I have a problem with this "no this comic is really about white males and I know exactly how you think" mentality that you seem to have.Smilomaniac said:
Never insulted you. Unnecessarily hostile? Maybe. Insulting? No.Smilomaniac said:
Role theory, away!bunji said:
Okay, this isn't religion and politics forum and you're not really trying, so I'm not going to make this too long. But this kind of thinking sucks because it's basically a conspiracy theory with no conspirators. The only form of "oppression" in this scheme is failing to meet the exacting standards of "society", society in this case having no relationship to actual human beings and being merely the effects of socialization.
The problem is that when you actually get out and talk to men who take on dangerous jobs, when you talk to men who join the military, when you talk to heavy industrial workers, you quickly realize that they aren't undervalued. They aren't detested by society, they aren't consigned to the bottom of the heap by society's deep loathing of men as a group. Actually they're often some of the most respected men within their particular cultural schema (which may not be the same as all of society) and men will compete to occupy these positions, even when confronted with the possibility of easier or safer work. Even if these positions do not entail much power or wealth they're often held up as paragons of masculinity and virtue, and part of this respect is due to the assumed ability of those men (and to a lesser extent men in general) to handle risk, to deal with difficult situations. This kind of high-risk behavior does not indicate worthlessness or disposability at all, it actually indicates effectiveness and competence, through the presumed ability to deal with risk.
In fact, isn't that pretty much what you're saying here? "Men deserve respect because they do all the hard and dirty work"? If this "glass cellar" was such a terrible thing, why would you say that? Why wouldn't you be wanting to help all the poor brainwashed men who have clearly become convinced of their own disposability at the hands of an evil feminized society or whatever? Oh right, because they haven't, and you know that really. They do these things because they are rewarding, because they grant genuine social legitimacy which, to some degree, all men benefit from. This isn't a reason why men are oppressed, it's a reason why men remain socially dominant.
Incidentally, don't talk like you're in the fucking Matrix while quoting shit which was already old in the 1970s.
The "White Guy Defense Force" is quite ironic. We talk about how ridiculous women are for complaining about sexism in video games, or how foolish blacks are for injecting race into the Trayvon Martin case, but then we turn around and start making comments about how bad society treats us. We point out how petty minorities are when they play the race/gender card, then we turn around and play the same card ourselves. Why do white males adopt the exact same behavior they criticize minority groups for?
Think of this the next time they turn a traditionally white character into a black man. Isn't that the kind of petty, unimportant issue that we ridicule black people for making a big fuss over? How are you any better by following suit?
Think of this the next time they turn a traditionally white character into a black man. Isn't that the kind of petty, unimportant issue that we ridicule black people for making a big fuss over? How are you any better by following suit?