Why Am I A Bad Person For Like Large Breasts And Sexy Nuns?

[Silverblade]

This week I watched the review of Dragon Crown and read the Critical Miss comic about it and there were a lot of people posting about how bad/stupid/disgusting the female body shapes were in the game. And I remember there was a similar uproar awhile ago about that Hitman: Absolution trailer where Agent 47 fights a bunch of stripperiffic nun assassins.

My question is, are you guys saying that if I like women who have large breasts and/or are dress as sexy nuns that I am a bad person?

Its that I do like women with the sort of figure you see in Dragon Crown or Hitman: Absolution, and the feeling I get from these flame wars is that there are a bunch of people out there saying that because I like women with big breasts, or women dressed in sexy outfits that I am bad/evil/immoral. The idea that someone would label me as a bad person just because I have a certain sexual preference makes me angry.

 

[NinjaDeathSlap]

No. You are not a bad person.

The discussion about what possible negative impacts the disproportionate prevalence of such images and attitudes may or may not have upon the reputation of the industry, as well as what they may or may not be saying about the audience for this material (or who the game-makers think their audience is); is a discussion completely removed from what you enjoy looking at.

In real life, I'm a fan of lots of female body types, and if there's one thing, aesthetically speaking, that's a turn off for me, it's a woman who has artificially enhanced her breasts, arse, or face to the extent that they're no longer in proportion. I'm also certainly not against a bit of kink. In the digital realm, a bit of embellishment is harmless in my opinion. However, examples such as the Sorceress from Dragon's Crown are just so overboard that they're ridiculous, and not at all attractive (to me at least).

For me, it's not even the number of stick-thin, ludicrously buxom female images in games that is the problem. The real problem is that, on the opposite side of the coin, too few female characters are allowed to display any sense of agency, distinct personality, or sympathetic goals of their own. You give me a female character who is more than just a pin-up or reward mechanic, someone who I can identify with on an emotional level, and I honestly couldn't care less what you want her bra-size to be, or if you even want to have her wearing a bra at all.

To put it in a snappier sense: The problem isn't that there are too many Sorceresses, it's that there are too few Alyx Vances.

 

[Hugga_Bear]

This week I watched the review of Dragon Crown and read the Critical Miss comic about it and there were a lot of people posting about how bad/stupid/disgusting the female body shapes were in the game. And I remember there was a similar uproar awhile ago about that Hitman: Absolution trailer where Agent 47 fights a bunch of stripperiffic nun assassins.

My question is, are you guys saying that if I like women who have large breasts and/or are dress as sexy nuns that I am a bad person?

Its that I do like women with the sort of figure you see in Dragon Crown or Hitman: Absolution, and the feeling I get from these flame wars is that there are a bunch of people out there saying that because I like women with big breasts, or women dressed in sexy outfits that I am bad/evil/immoral. The idea that someone would label me as a bad person just because I have a certain sexual preference makes me angry.

No.
If there was a fascinating woman who happened to be dressed in a sexy manner in a game I personally wouldn't give two shits, I mean I think it'd be a shame that she dressed that way because almost without exception (almost) sexy clothes are uncomfortable. What does this matter for a videogame character?

Well rhetorical question it means that the character is going out of their way to be sexual, they are purposefully putting themselves in an uncomfortable position in order to be more sexually attractive. Now, sure, videogame characters can't actually be uncomfortable but that doesn't stop the implication. The designers would rather make a pretty buxom lady who is willing to do this than a pretty buxom lady who isn't.

This all misses what I despise most though which is the callous manipulation. If you've ever been out to a club or the like then I'm sure you've seen countless examples of people dressing up for show, almost everyone does it but the levels vary. The ones who look desperate are unlikely to be interesting. If they wear incredibly revealing clothes and walk with a wiggle as much as they can and laugh and bend over as often as possible then odds are it's fake and as such unappealing. I almost always find more attraction in clever people, I like intelligence and confidence and though it requires some semblance of confidence to wear next to nothing it could also use desperation. I rarely find it's the half naked people I look at twice and not because I'm staring. They think you're capable of being so easily manipulated. More fool for you for actually being manipulated.

Anyway, I guess that's why I think you're a bad person. If you find that sort of thing interesting I'm probably gonna think lesser of you. The characters are unilaterally uninteresting and just there for their bodies. I like attractive bodies but the world can do better than that.

 

[Moth_Monk]

There's nothing wrong with sexuality or the expression of it.

People should leave artists be. If you don't like some peice of art go look for something else and if you can't find what you want then become an artist and make the art yourself. It's not the responsibility of the artist to try and improve society.

I just wish people, in general, would get over the childish shame and embarrassment they seem to feel about this stuff. I mean, I bet everyone who posts in this thread is a consumer of pornography, I am, and yet those same people will act - in public - like anything sexualised is some heinous crime.

 

[Hugga_Bear]

Anyway, I guess that's why I think you're a bad person. If you find that sort of thing interesting I'm probably gonna think lesser of you. The characters are unilaterally uninteresting and just there for their bodies. I like attractive bodies but the world can do better than that.

To clarify I don't actually think you're a bad person. Black/white morality is laughably ridiculous to me...I just mean I think the idea of wanting sexualised anything is kinda silly. I want cool everything, which means interesting which means more than just big tits.

 

[The Wykydtron]

I think the whole Dragon's Crown thing is a little misunderstood. It's all an intentional over the top artstyle for everything involved. Males included. It's not like they went LOL TITS for no reason (*cough*DOA*cough)

Oh yeah anyone who says they don't like sexy nuns are lying. Everyone likes sexy nuns.

 

[The Wykydtron]

I think the whole Dragon's Crown thing is a little misunderstood. It's all an intentional over the top artstyle for everything involved. Males included. It's not like they went LOL TITS for no reason (*cough*DOA*cough)

intentional stylization or not, it doesn't stop it from being nightmare material

the whole "my horrible aesthetically unpleasing artwork is my style" sounds like a 16 year old DA user.

Yeah as a figurine that's bad because well, it's a figurine not in game artwork, there's a huge difference. GOD THAT'S BAD!

Anyway I do like the art in general, shocking as it may be for you to understand. Maybe not the Amazon so much because dem thighs yo' but I have always loved huge dramatic over the top stuff in general. Dragon's Crown is nothing if not OTT as fuck.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

The videogame industry is MADE of objectifying the female figure. That one or two games draw fire every now and then can only be described as hipocrisy. Final Fantasy boobs are just as large as Tomb Raider boobs, or World of Warcraft boobs. Some games just get all the attention because of how explicit this is made during the marketing bit. Remember the Hitman trailer about the nuns (who feature very little in the actual game) and the gameplay trailer of Dragon Crown. People just foam in the mouth whenever something's announced. But pretty much every game with a female character in it will be, uh, objectifying to some degree. Not EVERY game, but lots and lots of them.

 

[DugMachine]

No you're not bad, I too enjoy large breasts and shapely figures, not to the extent of Dragons Crown mind you but still.

The issue really falls down to females feeling uncomfortable with the way women are portrayed in a lot of video games. Characters with little to no personality that are nothing but walking sex objects. If you're attracted to that stuff then by all means be attracted to it but understand females don't necessarily want to play a character that's 80% boobs.

And before the comparison to "buff guys" comes up. Giant breasts don't convey physical power.

 

[Moth_Monk]

People should leave artists be. If you don't like some peice of art go look for something else and if you can't find what you want then become an artist and make the art yourself. It's not the responsibility of the artist to try and improve society.

That's not the way it works in societies with free speech.

1) The artist gets to make what they want.
2) Everyone who has an opinion about what the artist makes gets to express their opinion. Positive or negative.

That's the social contract. Artists who can't handle that contract should either give up on making art, grow a thicker skin, or (probably the best solution) make their art and avoid reading discussions of their work on web fora.

I wasn't saying anything against free speech, buddy.

Of course people can say what they think to art but they should not expect the artist to accommodate to their wishes or that they have the right to tell the artist what they are and are not allowed to create.

 

[Moth_Monk]

The videogame industry is MADE of objectifying the female figure. That one or two games draw fire every now and then can only be described as hipocrisy. Final Fantasy boobs are just as large as Tomb Raider boobs, or World of Warcraft boobs. Some games just get all the attention because of how explicit this is made during the marketing bit. Remember the Hitman trailer about the nuns (who feature very little in the actual game) and the gameplay trailer of Dragon Crown. People just foam in the mouth whenever something's announced. But pretty much every game with a female character in it will be, uh, objectifying to some degree. Not EVERY game, but lots and lots of them.

Making something look sexy is not the same as objectifying it. For something to be objectified it has to be that the person is presented as if they are an inhuman thing with no dignity. Even Final Fantasy characters cannot be said to be objectified. Yes, they are sexy but they are also characters with other functions and characteristics than just being there to be sexy. You see.

 

[Moth_Monk]

And before the comparison to "buff guys" comes up. Giant breasts don't convey physical power.

They might convey sexual power though, which could be something which female members of the audience desire.

 

[CrazyCapnMorgan]

You are not a bad person for liking that. The popular perception is that, as a gamer, you are shunned in society because of the portrayal of women in the gaming industry. You don't even have to buy the games - because you identify yourself as a gamer, the negative stigmas the gaming industry has are heaped upon you, because guilt by association.

On a related note and as a question: I have a pink 3DS. Does this make me a bad/weird person?

 

[MeChaNiZ3D]

No, but you are being marketed to with them. That's one level: Female gamers (and other females I suppose, but I don't really care about their opinions on games) largely have to make do with male-oriented games as far as character design is concerned, and they'd like games to be more moderate so they can play them more comfortably. Which is fair enough, but publishers aren't fixing what isn't broke, and that's marketing to males. The next level is within the game, in that this sort of approach to characterisation leads to shallow characters that either look a certain way or do certain things without any personality behind it, and some people (like myself) would rather they put a bit more effort into their characters and would find games more interesting were that the case. So you're not a bad person, but there are some other groups of players who find it annoying that developers and publishers have you in mind most of the time when they make and sell a game.

 

[Veylon]

On a related note and as a question: I have a pink 3DS. Does this make me a bad/weird person?

It makes you an unusual person. I would go so far to say strange or weird, but those tend to convey negativity or disapproval. You clearly don't care what society thinks of your color choices, which a lot of people find rebellious and threatening.

Also, I wrote the post assuming you are male. Which you may not be; I only just considered it.

 

[sweetylnumb]

There's nothing wrong with sexuality or the expression of it.

People should leave artists be. If you don't like some peice of art go look for something else and if you can't find what you want then become an artist and make the art yourself. It's not the responsibility of the artist to try and improve society.

I just wish people, in general, would get over the childish shame and embarrassment they seem to feel about this stuff. I mean, I bet everyone who posts in this thread is a consumer of pornography, I am, and yet those same people will act - in public - like anything sexualised is some heinous crime.

Hey, when i see the overlarge dicks of sexy muscled men pointing out of their pants and dancing around in front of my face, i'll complain no more!

 

[CrazyCapnMorgan]

On a related note and as a question: I have a pink 3DS. Does this make me a bad/weird person?

It makes you an unusual person. I would go so far to say strange or weird, but those tend to convey negativity or disapproval. You clearly don't care what society thinks of your color choices, which a lot of people find rebellious and threatening.

Also, I wrote the post assuming you are male. Which you may not be; I only just considered it.

I am indeed male. I am also 32 years old. My color choice was inspired because of that "negativity" and "disapproval". Many people, both friend and stranger alike, questioned me about it; often they asked if I was a homosexual. I have a nice little story about the reason behind my purchase, if you'd like to hear it.