Why Am I A Bad Person For Like Large Breasts And Sexy Nuns?

[Zeldias]

OP, I don't think you're a bad person. I actually found the nun's pose, while absurd, a little hot.

At the same time, though, you've gotta recognize that the nun is in a completely submissive position (sexually submissive and conveying weakness). The Amazon, who is meant to be a bad-ass warrior, goes out to fight in what is the most idiotic example of platemail thong bikini I've ever seen.

Spoiler: This is a much better example of a bad-ass berserker woman.

The Sorceress' design issues are similar, with breasts that flap like flags when casting a wind spell and absurdly huge, not to mention the promo art where she impossibly manages to shove a stave into the crack of her ass. The woman must have packs of fluid in place of a skeleton.

Because ultimately what it comes down to is that the men were designed to look tough and heroic, and the woman were designed to look sexy and enticing. What bugs me out is the fact that the Elf looks cool and interesting without looking like something from a bad H-game, so the artists certainly had it in them. Heck, the cleric/nun/whatever she was would've looked pretty awesome herself if she wasn't put in that stupid pose. They were fully capable of having the women appear as heroic and tough as the male characters but instead decided to go with platemail thongs and Liefeld-esque poses.

 

[Phrozenflame500]

Nah, people aren't getting up in arms over the fact that people like sexy figures. People are getting up in arms over (what they perceive) is the devs slapping sexy women in their games to sell more copies.

So no, you're not a bad person for betting horny over people designed to make you get horny.

 

[The_Echo]

No, OP, you're not a bad person.

I think the gaming community is just too sensitive these days, and a lot of us seem to think videogames have something to "prove" to the other big mediums out there, so we shouldn't have women of exaggerated proportions in games because reasons.

Remember when games were about having fun, not being politically correct?

 

[Bluestorm83]

People should leave artists be. If you don't like some peice of art go look for something else and if you can't find what you want then become an artist and make the art yourself. It's not the responsibility of the artist to try and improve society.

That's not the way it works in societies with free speech.

1) The artist gets to make what they want.
2) Everyone who has an opinion about what the artist makes gets to express their opinion. Positive or negative.

That's the social contract. Artists who can't handle that contract should either give up on making art, grow a thicker skin, or (probably the best solution) make their art and avoid reading discussions of their work on web fora.

All true. But by the same token, we can take it to...
3) Everyone who has a problem with the artist should also recognize that just because they're louder they're not necessarily more right.
4) The artist doesn't give much of a shit about what people who DON'T help them make money think, they just care about the opinions of the people who DO help them make money.
5) Internet is made of everyone, and none of us ever shut up, ever.

 

[MrHide-Patten]

To play devil's advocate; none of the male characters are fleshed out any more than the female characters, if the guys got a full backstory and peronalisties I think people would justified in beating this game with a lead stick. I think the problem is not boobs themselves but the fact that they don't get any agency as people have put it, to me a great game would have an attractive woman and have a great personality. hell it's half of why I enjoy Saints Row.

 

[Evil Smurf]

You are not a bad person, you just have a certain taste. I for one like redheads. The gaming industry does need to stop treating women like idiots though.

 

[Maxtro]

If my avatar is any indication, I find women with overly large breasts to be attractive. I believe that they are perfectly fine in video games and in anime because those things aren't real and are just fantasy.

 

[HardkorSB]

My question is, are you guys saying that if I like women who have large breasts and/or are dress as sexy nuns that I am a bad person?

Its that I do like women with the sort of figure you see in Dragon Crown or Hitman: Absolution, and the feeling I get from these flame wars is that there are a bunch of people out there saying that because I like women with big breasts, or women dressed in sexy outfits that I am bad/evil/immoral. The idea that someone would label me as a bad person just because I have a certain sexual preference makes me angry.

It's just your body reacting to sexual stimuli.
It's biology.
I would even say that the people suppressing their sexuality out of some misguided sense of morality are only creating problems for themselves because sexuality doesn't just go away if you tell it to. They will always have this voice at the back of their heads saying things like: "Look at her, you want her, don't you?", causing an internal conflict, which will ultimately result in mental damage (and mental damage does lead to physical damage, the brain does affect the rest of the body because it is responsible for the performance of the rest of the body so if it will be in bad shape, so will the body).

As for this shaming of other people for expressing their sexuality, I blame religion for the majority of it (I know, not the most original thing to say but it's true).
The fact is, Abrahamic religion ruined sexuality. Before that, even if you look at Greek/Roman mythology, there were gods specifically responsible for sex and orgies. However, after the Roman empire became Christian, everything went to shit. Sexuality is deliberately shamed in the Bible to make the people feel guilty about it and seek forgiveness, which of course can only be achieved by being obedient to god, represented on Earth by "men of god" (clever little scheme, if I may add).
Things are getting better now that you can actually say "fuck Jahwe and Jesus and the Holy Ghost" and not get killed, but the whole "sex is shameful" mentality is still there. It's ingrained in Western culture because of 1,5 millenium of brainwashing.

Also, don't buy into this "they're nuns, women of god so you can't lust over them" crap.
They're women, they're sexy, your body will react, regardless of what society tells you.
If you're not Christian, you can look and it's just women in sexy costumes, and if you are Christian, those are still women in sexy costumes, not real nuns. Nuns aren't even part of real Christianity (neither are priests and churches for that matter, but that's another topic).

I know this might be incoherent but I hope you get what I'm saying.
The point is, don't care about what other people say about your sexuality.
If anything, it says more about them than it does about you.

 

[DugMachine]

And before the comparison to "buff guys" comes up. Giant breasts don't convey physical power.

They might convey sexual power though, which could be something which female members of the audience desire.

Yes some female gamers may want bigger breasts to fulfill some sort of insecurity they have but it doesn't change the fact that boobs in no way empower you physically when you're supposed to be fighting monsters. If anything they would just get in the way.

 

[Eri]

There's nothing wrong with sexuality or the expression of it.

People should leave artists be. If you don't like some peice of art go look for something else and if you can't find what you want then become an artist and make the art yourself. It's not the responsibility of the artist to try and improve society.

I just wish people, in general, would get over the childish shame and embarrassment they seem to feel about this stuff. I mean, I bet everyone who posts in this thread is a consumer of pornography, I am, and yet those same people will act - in public - like anything sexualised is some heinous crime.

Hey, when i see the overlarge dicks of sexy muscled men pointing out of their pants and dancing around in front of my face, i'll complain no more!

Then make a game like that? Or get people together and get voices heard you want one made. If one hasn't been made, it's obvious the demand isn't there.

 

[Kyrdra]

You're not a bad person for liking the cheap tittilation video games send your way because at least they have an abundance of interesting and/or complex female characters to compensate for the overwhelming amount of Tits McGee characters...

Oh, wait...

Wait are you saying that he is bad person because the producer of said product fails to provide something other than what he likes?

 

[NoeL]

No.
If there was a fascinating woman who happened to be dressed in a sexy manner in a game I personally wouldn't give two shits, I mean I think it'd be a shame that she dressed that way because almost without exception (almost) sexy clothes are uncomfortable. What does this matter for a videogame character?

Well rhetorical question it means that the character is going out of their way to be sexual, they are purposefully putting themselves in an uncomfortable position in order to be more sexually attractive. Now, sure, videogame characters can't actually be uncomfortable but that doesn't stop the implication. The designers would rather make a pretty buxom lady who is willing to do this than a pretty buxom lady who isn't.

This all misses what I despise most though which is the callous manipulation. If you've ever been out to a club or the like then I'm sure you've seen countless examples of people dressing up for show, almost everyone does it but the levels vary. The ones who look desperate are unlikely to be interesting. If they wear incredibly revealing clothes and walk with a wiggle as much as they can and laugh and bend over as often as possible then odds are it's fake and as such unappealing. I almost always find more attraction in clever people, I like intelligence and confidence and though it requires some semblance of confidence to wear next to nothing it could also use desperation. I rarely find it's the half naked people I look at twice and not because I'm staring. They think you're capable of being so easily manipulated. More fool for you for actually being manipulated.

Anyway, I guess that's why I think you're a bad person. If you find that sort of thing interesting I'm probably gonna think lesser of you. The characters are unilaterally uninteresting and just there for their bodies. I like attractive bodies but the world can do better than that.

Ignoring for the moment your... maybe 'disrespectful' is too harsh a word... dismissive attitude that if a woman enjoys showing off her junk she must automatically be a vapid and uninteresting person bent on 'manipulating' you...

Ignoring that, and focusing on what you said about uncomfortable clothing, I agree with your general sentiment but it's not necessarily a shame if an interesting character wears uncomfortable, revealing clothes. There are tons of women out there that regularly sacrifice comfort for sex appeal (how many women choose to wear high heels then complain about them all night?), and they don't do it for the benefit of men looking at them, they do it because it makes them feel good. They like being sexy (who doesn't, really?). You can write interesting characters that prioritise looking good, but where I agree with you is when their fashion choices completely contradict their personality. For example, you wouldn't have a shy, introverted bookworm type out in knee-high boots and arseless chaps (unless she had a compelling reason to do so). But there's nothing wrong with having a more vain and/or sexually liberal character wear something uncomfortable for the sake of looking better. As long as it's consistent with the character it's fine.

 

[CrystalShadow]

Eh. While I know you're on about Dragon's crown here... That doesn't really bother me one way or another.
Those characters were designed that way, some people find that appealing... Doesn't really bother me either way.

What does bother me however, are exemplified by an image posted on facebook.

This was from a sonic convention, and it showed a girl playing a demo of the new Wii U sonic game.
Which is fine. Now, by the looks of it this girl wasn't particularly fond of having her picture taken in the first place, but rather, kind of had an expression along the lines of "Ugh, alright fine. If you really have to."...

Now, she wasn't dressed in a particularly sexy way, and was holding a controller and stood next to a game demo unit (the kind you'd typically find anywhere where consoles are being displayed publicly).
It was clear the way she was standing was meant to ensure the picture got a clear shot of both the screens (Wii U game remember), but it was not a pose of any kind beyond that...

She also, by random coincidence had large breasts...
Guess what more than half the comments in that photo were about?

That, I find disturbing.

But yeah, whatever.

 

[MeChaNiZ3D]

Of course, just because of my preference to breast size, I'm considered a bad person automatically by the entire country of Australia since obviously no woman past the age of 18 can possibly have a, b, or c cups.

Oh please. Nobody thinks you're a bad person for liking small breasts. Strange, maybe for some, but not bad. This is a ridiculous proposition to begin with.

And before the comparison to "buff guys" comes up. Giant breasts don't convey physical power.

They might convey sexual power though, which could be something which female members of the audience desire.

Yes some female gamers may want bigger breasts to fulfill some sort of insecurity they have but it doesn't change the fact that boobs in no way empower you physically when you're supposed to be fighting monsters. If anything they would just get in the way.

And nor are female characters often the ones fighting monsters, but when they are, they exhibit ridiculous strength as well as being sexy, because being sexy for a woman is empowerment. There are things sexy women can do that non-sexy women find more difficult, and for a woman to be attractive is something that society, due to the nature of realtionships, values. Male characters, it doesn't matter as much about the looks because they're largely appliances who just exist to kill monsters, but where male characters should have sex appeal as well, they do, unrealistically for their situation much of the time.

 

[Candidus]

OP, you shouldn't even be worrying about it.

I bought this game for two reasons; the fan-service and the up-to-date Golden Axe gameplay IN THAT ORDER.
Same with the Dead or Alive series.

Some people think this kind of imagery is problematic due to its prevalence. Others think it's problematic just for what it is. Personally, people I do not know- the quality of whose judgement I do not trust- can say whatever they like.

I can't hear them over the sound of how awesome Atlus, Vanillaware and Team Ninja (among others) are. Are you sure that `you` can?

 

[CrystalShadow]

Of course, just because of my preference to breast size, I'm considered a bad person automatically by the entire country of Australia since obviously no woman past the age of 18 can possibly have a, b, or c cups.

Oh please. Nobody thinks you're a bad person for liking small breasts. Strange, maybe for some, but not bad. This is a ridiculous proposition to begin with.

Ridiculous though it may sound, Australia has some messed up people in charge of censorship.
Porn has been banned solely on the grounds of the women in it having small breasts (roughly A cup)

On the grounds that surely, anything involving breasts that small must clearly be child pornography.
(Doesn't matter one bit whether you can prove the ages of the people involved by the way. 'Child pornography' by the Australian legal definition is 'anything which looks as though it depicts someone under the age of 18' - That's messed up on several levels, since 'looks under 18' is pretty open to interpretation, and on top of that '18' is not a physically meaningful age, so how can you define whether someone 'looks' under or over an age with no meaningful physical qualifications to it?)

By extension then, liking small breasts, by the logic of the Australian censorship bureau, makes you a peadophile.

Messed up, but unfortunately, more real than it should be...

 

[Fox12]

This week I watched the review of Dragon Crown and read the Critical Miss comic about it and there were a lot of people posting about how bad/stupid/disgusting the female body shapes were in the game. And I remember there was a similar uproar awhile ago about that Hitman: Absolution trailer where Agent 47 fights a bunch of stripperiffic nun assassins.

My question is, are you guys saying that if I like women who have large breasts and/or are dress as sexy nuns that I am a bad person?

Its that I do like women with the sort of figure you see in Dragon Crown or Hitman: Absolution, and the feeling I get from these flame wars is that there are a bunch of people out there saying that because I like women with big breasts, or women dressed in sexy outfits that I am bad/evil/immoral. The idea that someone would label me as a bad person just because I have a certain sexual preference makes me angry.

I think the main issue is that women like that don't exist. They're not real people, they're a sort of power/sex fantasy that's unattainable.

The problem with that is that it tends to reflect bad writing. The creator doesn't have enough talent to create an interesting, well rounded female character, so they create an unrealistically proportioned female character to attract people through sex appeal. That's basically what the creator of Dragon Crown said, anyway. He made characters like that in order to "stand out." Personally I find a well written, compelling female character more attractive anyway, even if she wears baggy shorts and has a small chest. Personality is attractive.

The problem then builds. The more fake, empty female husks there are in video games, the more women are seen as objects instead of people. That's not really something we tend to see with male characters. The problem is then that every factor of every game is tailored solely to men, and women get shafted.

You're not necessarily a bad person, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with having attractive women and men in video games. I love Tifa Lochheart, who has a compelling personality, on top of being physically attractive. The problem with games like the ones you mentioned is that sexiness is portrayed as that character primary (and sometimes only) character trait. This is a problem, there's no way around that. It's the same issue I have with most anime. When a female character exists for the sole purpose of being eye candy, or her entire personality centers around being sexy, then that is not a good character. Games can, and should, try harder. Therefore, the problem isn't about having attractive women in videogames, it's about that attractiveness defining their entire personality. That's why people get offended, and I think that's totally justified.

There's a difference between a female character asserting her sexuality, and a female character being exploited. If a female character walks around in an outfit that's more sexy then functional (female warrior walking around in a metal bikini and high heels) then she's clearly being exploited. If she has no personality, or behaves unrealistically, or her primary trait is to be attractive, then she's being exploited. If she just happens to be attractive, or embraces her sexuality like a mature adult, but that has no bearing whatsoever on her personality, then she's a decent character. She's not an attractive girl who happens to have a personality, she's a well rounded intriguing character who just happens to attractive.

 

[RJ 17]

This week I watched the review of Dragon Crown and read the Critical Miss comic about it and there were a lot of people posting about how bad/stupid/disgusting the female body shapes were in the game. And I remember there was a similar uproar awhile ago about that Hitman: Absolution trailer where Agent 47 fights a bunch of stripperiffic nun assassins.

My question is, are you guys saying that if I like women who have large breasts and/or are dress as sexy nuns that I am a bad person?

Its that I do like women with the sort of figure you see in Dragon Crown or Hitman: Absolution, and the feeling I get from these flame wars is that there are a bunch of people out there saying that because I like women with big breasts, or women dressed in sexy outfits that I am bad/evil/immoral. The idea that someone would label me as a bad person just because I have a certain sexual preference makes me angry.

Anyone who sits in judgment of you for liking large breasts doesn't really have grounds to stand on, at least as far as calling you a "bad person". They might think you're shallow and superficial or call you immature for saying that the Sorceress is your favorite character specifically because she's got ample jubblies, but that doesn't make you a bad person.

More importantly: why the hell should you care what other people think about your tastes? Take it from an ICP fan: the only person whose opinion matters in terms of your tastes (regardless of what they are or in what medium is in discussion) is yourself. ESPECIALLY on the internet where 99% of the people you encounter are completely random jackasses you'll never meet in real life. They're just faceless names with a keyboard and an opinion, why should you care what it is?

That said, if you've a taste for doing things that society as a whole agrees are reprehensible (murdering people, robbing people, cruelty to animals, etc) then your tastes make you a bad person. But there's nothing wrong with liking the look of some jiggling fun-bags no matter what any else says.

Good lord...I hate topics like this...what the hell am I even doing here?

 

[Naleh]

You're not a bad person for liking large breasts and sexy nuns.

You are a bad person if you think it's fine and dandy that there's such a strong expectation in society (and especially in nerd/gamer society) that women are obligated to be physically attractive to you. I'm definitely not saying you think that. Hopefully you don't. But far too many of us do.

The criticism for games like Dragon Crown (or at least the legitimate criticism) is that by putting so much emphasis on the sexual characteristics of its female characters, it continues to suggest that that's what's important about them. Really, Dragon Crown and Hitman: Absolution have nothing to do with anything; they're just being scapegoated as especially brazen symbols of a wider issue.

Once there are tons of popular games where female characters are more than their looks, then female characters who do happen to look good (to you) will be unproblematic.

 

[EHKOS]

People just don't like talking about it. It makes THEM feel uncomfortable. Most of them wouldn't admit it but they like large breasts too, it's programmed into our brains, the sign of a suitable partner.

And some people may have a disposition on the nun part, which is more understandable because it's a corruption of a religious symbol to catholics. But fetishes can develop early out of the littlest things, it's nothing to be ashamed of. Neurons can get set into random patterns due to early situations, some psychologists would argue you could also be born with certain quirks regardless of interference in brain development.

It's really quite interesting, but I'm starting to ramble.
tl;dr hypocrites and uptight people are the ones with a problem, not you.