erttheking said:
Ouroboros said:
Pure fantasy? MGS isn't pure fantasy. It tries to establish itself as being in the real world with some changes. It has internal logic and rules that must be followed.
Honestly, sometimes I feel like the people who don't mind Quiet have a lower opinion of MGS than people who do mind her. The people who don't mind her keep saying that MGS is pure fantasy where anything apparently be thrown in and it's ok and "what do you expect". Kind of feels like it's selling Kojima short. I think the guy can do great stuff when he sets his mind to it, but the people around here defending quiet seem to mainly be saying he only makes stupid stuff.
Or...you know, the people that don't mind her are mindful of the context in which she's presented.(that of MGS and how batshittingly stupid some of the designs are to begin with if you're going to use "the real world" complaint) and that of the something like thirty cutscenes she's in(not including helicopter scenes which you can skip by not taking her with you) there's only like four that has her "presenting" herself to you the way people keep talking about her only posing being done...Hell, even Snake "poses" the same way in the helicopter scenes, you just don't see it because of the camera angle. Most of them Quiet's just sitting around, honestly pretty covered up. Crossed legs, covering her boobs with her arms, you don't even notice the bikini straps for the most part. Honestly she looks bored most of the time like that.
And please, please, PLEASE, don't pull that crap you just pulled here with the "The people that mind her care more about MGS than you people that don't." It's a bullshit argument on the same level as that "fake gamer girl" crap people decided was unacceptable years ago, and you have to know it.
This is a series that REQUIRES you to play the other games to understand what is going on, which means the people playing this are either just jumping on the bandwagon and don't really know the nuance and story of the world(so they're honestly probably more confused with why Snake/BB has something like seven names and why a bipedal weapons platform is actually more functional and stable than tanks), or they're people that have been fans of the series for years and got the new one because it's worth it to continue with the world. Some people don't mind Quiet, and still have alot of respect for MGS, some people do mind Quiet, and still have alot of respect for MGS. Please don't try to boil it down to something as selfish as you're making it out to be. I'd argue like with most controversies when it comes to video games, most people playing don't give a flying fuck about Quiet or what she wears or the camera angles.
And as a side note, I'm both saddened and unsurprised that, once again, a side character's attire(that you can basically ignore for the majority of the game) has been deemed more important than the rest of the game if you go by how many responses this has gotten in comparison to MULTIPLE THREADS asking for people's opinions on MGS5.
erttheking said:
The Material Sheep said:
No kidding. I was expecting something dark, like she got raped and this was her trying to take control of her sexuality (Which happens a lot) and instead, she got hurt, so she needs to breath through her skin. Wot?
And exactly how is your idea any better? It still takes away her agency that people are complaining about, but now there's just a generic rape story(don't even try to sell it a different way, it's generic), but without any MGS flair. And c'mon, she was an assassin sent to kill BB and was BURNED ALIVE, I think that's a dark enough backstory. Like seriously, not every woman that dresses oddly has to do it because they were raped...
Edit: As for why Skullface didn't get the skin transplant or whatever, I'd reckon it may have something to do with the guy being very much focused on Revenge as his theme and idea of the game, which is why he has the cowboy hat(a very much western reference which often has some kind of revenge plot going on), the mask(another prop of MANY revenge stories), his scars and discoloration he got long before Cipher, the guy's just oozing in revenge tropiness.