Ah, and who's attacking them again?Saelune said:Cause Im also defending customers (who also didnt riot) who just wanted to try some apparently very tasty sauce but didnt get to because McDonalds fucked up.The Decapitated Centaur said:Why does that mean blaming McDonald's again?Saelune said:Im defending the fans that didnt riot.The Decapitated Centaur said:No, you're not really trying to be fair, you're trying to equate people not getting sauce to people riotingSaelune said:Im just trying to be fair. Alot of people dont like being fair and just want to criticize those they hate, which seems to lean more on Rick and Morty fans which is unfair to those of us who arent rioting maniacs. You suggest I am just seeing what I want to see, but I make the same accusation to you and many others here.The Decapitated Centaur said:They aren't at fault for the riot in any senseSaelune said:McDonalds is at fault for essentially false advertising. How people reacted was not ok, but neither was McDonalds basically lying to customers.The Decapitated Centaur said:Well, for one, it would take a hell of a lot for a riot to be a reasonable reaction to a business failing to meet a promiseSaelune said:Remember that next time some business screws you over for something -they- said they would do.The Decapitated Centaur said:What blame should McDonald's have exactly? They disappointed people. Big deal?Saelune said:Im sorry but, like, I think you just really want to hate on Rick and Morty. I know you are a smart, fair, thoughtful person, but this seems rather back bracking of an attempt to excuse McDonalds and keep the blame on fans.ObsidianJones said:I looked up the riots for Nintendo over Classic NES unavailability. I didn't find any info.Neonsilver said:While it's rather disappointing how some fans have acted when they didn't get the sauce. However the fault clearly lies with McDonalds for making this a one day event and only selling a very limited amount of the sauce.
It isn't hard to imagine that pretty much every rick and morty fan would go to McDonalds, just to try out the sauce to see if it's really that good.
McDonalds probably based the amount of sauce they sold on how much of an individual sauce the sell on average per day. They should have made this event a month or a week, at least then the restaurants could tell the customers that they have more on another day and not everyone would have to come to a restaurant on the same day.
Whoever planed that event wasn't very competent. Combine that with a large group where the people will push each other to more extreme behavior and this debacle couldn't play out in a different manner.
Riots for Burning Man 2017 selling out in 35 minutes? None.
The reason why most people aren't pointing out at McDonald's now is because companies fail us in other ways often. Is it a wonderful experience? Hell no. But we don't riots over these things. My little cousin wanted a Classic NES badly and I wanted to get one for her and I couldn't. She didn't rip her living room apart. We got some sorbet, I apologized, and she was bummed for a few days. I was heart broken.
And we moved on.
Again, I think this was a marketing ploy by McDonald's. To test the waters to see if anyone was really interested. As much as catering to fans sounds like a great idea when you are a fan, McDonald's had no way of knowing the out pouring would be this huge. Yeah, there are devoted fans to this show, but I don't think anyone in a McDonald's thinktank would believe that there would be Canada to America Border Crossings to get a bite of sauce.
They probably didn't want to produce a whole bunch of sauce that might not have been asked for. McDonald's doesn't see us as people they should care for. They are a corporation. They see things in terms of making money and losing money. And having a whole bunch of sauce that no one is buying is firmly in the losing money category. Now they know the demand. And they already went to phase two saying it will happen again. And much like the NES classic, people will pounce on it harder than this time, driving up their sales. Reprehensible, certainly. But they are a business. Not a moral center.
Again, I don't find their tactics laudable. But this is a business practice happening all over the world constantly. While this is love to you and your fellow fans, this is business for them... and somewhat insanity to us on the fringes. Because yes, we all had these moments. When the iphone riots happened in China some years ago, I equally thought they were unhinged... as it is a phone. Riots or civil unrest over commercial items is mind boggling.
And I'm sorry... to me, it is hard to imagine that every Rick and Morty fan would go to McDonald's over a sauce. I don't eat McDonalds. Most of my family and friends do not. Frankly, McDonald's sales have been declining in the US for most of this year [http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/23/investing/mcdonalds-earnings-sales-down/index.html], a trend that's been happening for several years now. The more and more that people are less interested in McDonalds, the more it bleeds out of my consciousness.
And personally, I do not allow my interests to dictate where I'm going to eat as much as other people, it seems. McDonald's could have a Krav Maga day and I wouldn't eat there. They could have Street Fighter 3 third strike tournaments and I wouldn't be compelled to eat there. No disrespect to Rick and Morty fans, but not everyone eats or chooses to spend money at a place where there's a callout to their personal fandom. That's why testing the waters (if that's the case) was a great idea for McDonalds because they got a ton of publicity, albeit not all good, and created even more demand when they roll out with it later.
They now created a model for at least a revenue jolt any time they think sales are lower than usual. "Multiverse sauce is back at McDonald's for a limited time!".
Anyway, business decisions aside, it's sauce. From a bad fast food place. Disappointment aside (and yes McDonalds deserves blame for manufacturing disappointment), the actions that the collective of fans chose which made police presence needed in several states is an overreaction. And there's no talking out of that.
Because it's a sauce. From a bad fast food 'restaurant'. That a cartoon character referenced.
I think fandoms as a whole get more shit than they deserve, because I dont think it is often the fandoms fault, but the nature of humans. Just like when the internet gets blamed for people being shitty. Its not the internet, people are always shitty, the internet just gave those people a louder voice.
What actual huge fandom doesnt have toxic people? None. Because lots of people are prone to being shitty. There are shitty Rick and Morty fans, shitty Steven Universe fans, shitty MLP fans, shitty sports fans, shitty Firefly fans, shitty Game of Thrones fans, shitty...etc.
Really its like blaming violent video games for mass shootings. Mass shooters might take inspiration from a game, but they were prone to this behavior regardless, and could just as easily been inspired by a book, as many pre-video game shooters have, or even just 'hearing God'.
Blaming Rick and Morty is just unfair to Rick and Morty, and to the fans who ARENT toxic assholes.
The blame for the actual shit falls squarely on the fans who reacted badly
Secondly, no one got screwed over. They didn't get some sauce. It's actually outright absurd that you'd compare it to a business screwing someone over.
Thirdly, proportion. This isn't even a business failing to make good on a deal, it was a failed promotion. It's not like they took people's money then change the deal or something. This is like if I went to a business because they had something in stock then found out they didn't. Proper reaction? Go home, don't trust them, be a bit annoyed at them.
You are suggesting they arent at any fault, and that is just not true.
If you think I said they aren't at fault for failing to keep up their promise then you're just seeing things you want to see to complain about, my point is that lying about a bit of sauce isn't a big deal at all and that trying to bring that up in the face of a reaction involving rioting is pretty silly
What you're being is overdefensive, I've got nothing against Rick and Morty fans, but in your zealousness to defend the fandom you're trying to diminish the rioters by suggesting that McDonald's somehow shares fault for not having enough sauce
I mean I said "The blame for the actual shit falls squarely on the fans who reacted badly"