Why do gamers hate games because of one "small" problem?

[Phlakes]

Because they're shallow and irrational. Just look at the Halo 4 thread(s), people are already condemning the game because the multiplayer has random weapon spawns.

 

[bobmus]

I guess it depends what appeals to you about a game. It seems ME3's attraction was its story, so the ending was a pretty big part of the game there. With Halo 4 as an example, I play the games for their multiplayer, so ruining that is a major problem for me. It's a tough job to balance what different people class as the most important part of the game.

 

[bobmus]

Because they're shallow and irrational. Just look at the Halo 4 thread(s), people are already condemning the game because the multiplayer has random weapon spawns.

This would be a rather huge shift in the way the multiplayer plays out, to be fair, and the multiplayer is where I invest the thousands of hours, not the campaign.

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

It's almost like I'm at a farm, there's strawmen everywhere in here. I said it doesn't invalidate your experience, not that you have to live off past enjoyment.

Well then, would you care to clarify what you did mean by your statement?
That it didn't invalidate our choices? I will disagree with that.
That it shouldn't make us unable to enjoy the game in the future? Sadly it has
Or did you mean that it didn't remove the good feelings we've already had from the series? In which case you have my response - good feelings from the past mean nothing for present enjoyment.

You're really bad at reading.

That it didn't invalidate our choices? I will disagree with that.

Experience =/= choices. Did you have fun playing the games? You must've if you're this attached to it.

That it shouldn't make us unable to enjoy the game in the future? Sadly it has

Then you're doing it wrong. Yes the ending is important, but if it outweighs all of the fun you can have during the course of them, you didn't really like them in the first place.

Or did you mean that it didn't remove the good feelings we've already had from the series? In which case you have my response - good feelings from the past mean nothing for present enjoyment.

But they do. If you enjoyed playing the games in the first place, one cutscene shouldn't ruin you continuing to play the games again and again. I'm not saying that you can just relive your past enjoyment, I'm saying that it is clear evidence on what you would enjoy doing in the future.

What part of "I don't want to see a story that ends on a fucking railroad cop-out of a whimper play out" don't you get?

The part where you think that one small part of the game ruins playing the rest of it forever.

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

The part where you think that one small part of the game ruins playing the rest of it forever.

I'm this short of calling you names.

Are you familiar with the saying "Big things come in small packages"? It doesn't matter how long the bloody ending is, what matters are the implications of it. The fact that this flies over your head is bloody astounding, and I'm done replying to you.

So you really believe that a shit ending undoes all of the fun you've had?

Alright then.

 

[Casual Shinji]

How about the devil being in the detail.

The colour of character's shoes is a small thing, the sound effect of a gun is a small thing. The actual ending to the game, let alone one that is over 90 hours long, is not.

It's like having a wonderful scrumptious gourmet dinner, and the last bite you take is a glob of duck shit. It doesn't matter if what came before it was amazing, the duck shit capped it off.

 

[WanderingFool]

Lately I've noticed that there is a lot of controversy because of the game "mass effect 3"'s ending. And I see how everywhere I go, I hear of this and I get tired of seeing all this anger and frustration because of a good games ending or another small thing in a game like it's multiplayer.
I also take note of how the people say that because of the problem they blame the whole game or company because of it.
I wonder why people can't just accept that a game is good and leave it as it is without the need for a huge uproar for change.
So what do you guys thing of people critiquing a game based off a "small problem"?

I dont think its simply gamers hating on a "small problem". Its the same deal with DE:HR. People complain then because of the boss fights and the ending there (which, spoiler! HR ended in the same fashion as ME3, only with a four button end-o-tron.) It was a small part of the game, but the thing is, when you have such a great game like DE:HR and ME3, that small blemish is very fucking noticable. Some times, it is possible people will forgive blemishes. But in the case of ME3, its blemish is 15-20 minute long and set in such a place that people cant forget it.

 

[MammothBlade]

They have a small problem in their pants.

Though the ME3 ending isn't exactly a small issue, especially for a game that's supposed to be a finale. You'd think that BioWare would have given the ending some more thought and due care.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

The Mass Effect 3 problem is exactly the same as the LOST problem; (A): People got too invested in the series, (B): The endings are truly terrible as people say they are, and (C): The creators disregarded the main attraction of why people enjoyed consuming the media (LOST = discovering the mystery, ME3 = having player engagement matter).

I think it is even more true for ME3 is because your laying down 60-70 bucks for the game, not to mention the false advertising surrounding the ending itself (not calling it endings, they are all the same dammit.)

i was pretty upset with LOST's ending, but it was something I got over within the next hour or so because I didn't spend money on it nor was it advertised to have an epic of all epic ending(s).

 

[Rheinmetall]

Lately I've noticed that there is a lot of controversy because of the game "mass effect 3"'s ending. And I see how everywhere I go, I hear of this and I get tired of seeing all this anger and frustration because of a good games ending or another small thing in a game like it's multiplayer.
I also take note of how the people say that because of the problem they blame the whole game or company because of it.
I wonder why people can't just accept that a game is good and leave it as it is without the need for a huge uproar for change.
So what do you guys thing of people critiquing a game based off a "small problem"?

Your question is more of a statement really, a statement that you liked Mass Effect and that all those gamers that didn't like it because of the ending and are now pissed with Bioware are saying nonsense, or something like that. There isn't any question. Also your argument is based on a very subjective basis: You say that the ending problem is actually a small problem, because it happens to be small for you. For other gamers the ending is crucial regarding their whole experience of the game. Isn't it a legitimate approach, the same as yours that you consider it as minor?

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

So you really believe that a shit ending undoes all of the fun you've had?

Alright then.

The amount of hyperbole you employ is god damn amusing. No, it doesn't "undo" any fun. Yes, it sours the memory of it to some extent. Don't put words in my mouth, and don't reply again.

I'll reply as much as I god damn please, as long as there's discussion to be had.

So you're saying that the ending didn't ruin your fun? It only sours the memory to "some extent".

What you seem to be implying is that it actually isn't that big of an issue. In that case, why the fuck are you arguing with me?

No. I believe that if you care about story, a shit ending to a good story is going to make the whole experience considerably more shit.

And I agree, but that doesn't mean it precludes you from ever enjoying that game again, nor indeed as I keep saying, has it invalidated your experience.

 

[Emiscary]

Games put you into the middle of an experience. In movies/tv/books it's way easier to overlook a flaw because you're just passively observing what's going on. But when you're actively participating in something and there's something just plain *wrong* with it, it can shatter your ability to enjoy things.

Also the ending of a story based game is kind of the lynch pin of the whole affair. Especially when it was predicated on the importance of choice and branching decisions...

 

[Murmillos]

Using the "I had a very strong emotional investment into the characters" isn't a valid point. So the fuck what? It's the end of the trilogy, you won't be playing as them again. What does it matter how it ends? Either way you will cease playing as them.

Not to mention the lengths people have cried about this shit. Wanting refunds, boycotting Bioware, even threatening to sue. It's all pathetic. You didn't like the ending? That sucks, now move the fuck on with your life.

So seriously, you are just gong to openly invalidate any conversation or reasons anybody has because you don't like their reasons, then openly troll them for having said opinions?

Why even start a thread if you don't care about anybody others viewpoint when your only plan is to openly insult somebody for being displeased with the games ending.

Very childish.

 

[Feylynn]

The ending to Mass Effect 3 is not "One small problem".
If you don't agree with that statement it's unlikely we will ever understand each other.

Bringing Mass Effect into this wasn't a great idea if you want the broad topic addressed in a rational manner.
I don't think small things do ruin a game for anyone, it's just a matter of perspective as to whether or not the flaw at hand is small.

As I said, a bad ending shouldn't invalidate the experience of the journey for them.

It didn't, most people I've talked to loved the rest of the game, still love the rest of the game, and will never not love the rest of the game. The problem is that makes it very unlikely we'll ever hate the ending any less because we will always care. If we didn't love the rest of the journey we would have no problem with the ending.

Narrative arc does that, intro,inciting incident, rising action, climax, falling action, conclusion thing.
Mass Effect 3 goes more like, intro, incident, rising action, climax.

Picture that like a roller coaster. Imagine how much the people on that ride would enjoy it after the fact if it had "One small problem". It was missing the last segment of track.
It wouldn't slow down and the people on he ride would have no way to expend their momentum save to crash into the ground.
But this is emotional not physical and so the only way to expend that is to vent, rage, attempt to be understood by others, and then forget about the game at risk of "caring to much" all over again.

I'm glad I played the game, but if they can screw an ending up this badly than I have no idea what to expect from future releases from them. I'll likely buy them regardless because I love these worlds but you can only be disappointed so many times before you call the company Square Enix or Sonic Team and just walk away shaking your head, I would love nothing more than for that to NOT happen.

 

[Worgen]

It's not a small problem. It's like the ending to the Sopranos, but worse in that people had a very strong emotional investment in the characters they were interacting with. This, after dumping hours and hours into the series.

People who cannot see this are fucking blind.

It is a small problem. Using the "I had a very strong emotional investment into the characters" isn't a valid point. So the fuck what? It's the end of the trilogy, you won't be playing as them again. What does it matter how it ends? Either way you will cease playing as them.

Not to mention the lengths people have cried about this shit. Wanting refunds, boycotting Bioware, even threatening to sue. It's all pathetic. You didn't like the ending? That sucks, now move the fuck on with your life.

If me3 was a movie then it would be getting panned by everyone for having a bad ending, but because its a game its ok? The problem is that since its a multi part series, people are very invested in it plus it was always about giving the player control over things and letting the player become shepard, since it sounds like they fucked that up at the end I can understand the hate. Sure it went a bit overboard but I think that is more about people wanting to complain to bioware about something, bioware is one of those devs that has a big fan following and devs like that get a big boost from fans but if fans think they are messing up then the response is pretty harsh.

 

[Quesa]

Why does *anyone* hate *anything* because of one element (or multiple elements), regardless of its size, shape or duration? Any number of reasons, most personal. There are minor quibbles that ruin movies, books, tv shows, render actors unwatchable to millions, destroy companies and alienate masses.

The important thing to remember is that only things you agree with are relevant complaints. Give 'em hell, Sparky.

 

[idarkphoenixi]

Seeing as how Mass Effect 3 is littered with problems throughout the game it's more than justified to dislike it.
The ending is just the one that bothers people the most.

 

[Intensifizer]

Any ending to a computer software game is a small problem. Some of you people have fucked-up priorities.

 

[Ren_Li]

...Sigh.
The ending of ME3 is not a "small" problem. The writing has always been Mass Effect's strength. The story, the characters, the lore, are all well-written and I think it's safe to say that almost anyone who calls themselves a fan are, primarily, fans of the writing first.

So the ending of this trilogy takes all of that good writing, and essentially undoes it. It screws with the writing of the main character, making him/her act contrary to who he/she always was regardless of morality (by which I mean, determined and unwilling to lie down and let crap just happen). It screws with the writing of the actual lore. And the writing, in and of itself, is BAD. Any writer, presented with the ideas outside of context, and agree that it probably wouldn't work. You don't add new characters, new rules, new lore, etc which will totally change the way things work in the last few minutes of the final part of a series. It's bad writing, no matter what media is being written.

So the main strength of the series and the thing that most fans are fans of is completely turned on it's own head and bounced against the concrete for a bit.

And that strength is the sort of strength that stays with a person. Good game play is fun for a while, then you put the game down and go off to do other stuff and it doesn't haunt you. Good writing can. There are powerful books which can stay with a person for their entire life because of the way it's written. Same with movies. Writing is something that can get into your head, stimulate your emotions, make you think and feel, and because that's the strength of the Mass Effect series, it succeeded. It got into peoples' heads. Maybe not YOUR head, but don't discount the power strong writing can have just because it's not impacting you personally.

So combine the combination of the generally good writing, and the fact that that has the potential to get in people's heads, to stay with them and leave lasting impressions; with the magnitude of really, REALLY bad writing in the ending, in all areas across the board... That's why it's a big problem. That's why it's causing so much uproar.

I'm not going to include my thoughts on the ending, or why I think them, or my thoughts on the fan response here. This is simply a post on WHY the fans responded as they did.

 

[Dendio]

99 percent of mass effect 3 game was amazing. It had a weird ending.
It has ending clarifying dlc on the way as well as game expanding dlc.
Im more than happy with the game, I think its one of the best i've ever played.