because no matter how delicious a meal is, if the last bite you have tastes literally like shit, then you will never call that meal a "good meal", i'll agree that i liked 98% of the game, but the ending just leaves a feeling of "so 3 games for that... GOING TO RANT ON THE INTERNET", basically what im trying to say is that the ending was shit, its not a small problem, and it manages to outweight much of the good in the game sadly.
Why do people completely ignore how great 98% of Mass Effect 3 was and just focus on the ending?
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First you answer me why ME3 keeps being braught up after its been long since gone over.NewYork_Comedian said:
Anyways, I cant give you an answer, as it doesnt really make sense to me either. Though I would say it might have something to do with the Co-op MP. While it works, whoever thought, "HEY! Lets make unlocking things in multiplayer a game of chance, and charge people for them!" needs a swift kick to the balls.
Sorry, when do we find out that the Collectors don't have the means to attack earth?Leonardo Chaves said:
And if the Collectors are the "janitors" of the "Reaper empire" what exactly is Saren and Sovereign?
First, they probably examined the defenses and deduced that the Guardian laser was useless, and then Shepard and EDI fixed it,Leonardo Chaves said:
Second, who's to say that when the Collectors attack earth they won't do it city by city?
Third, Sovereign's death didn't slow them down considerably, It delayed them for a few years, these things are millions or possibly hundreds of millions of years old, a few years is nothing to them.
If anything I think it speaks to how important an ending is to a story. The fact that many gamers (myself not necessarily included) walked away from Mass Effect 3 keeping only the bad taste that the ending left them with in mind, as opposed to the juicy sweetness that made up the bulk of the game, doesn't have to mean just that gamers are focusing on the wrong thing, but also that Bioware screwed up on a point that carried a lot of weight. An ending may only be 2% in terms of length, but in terms of importance it's much more than that.
Also, and this is speaking more for myself, I think the somewhat messy ending casts a shadow over the story as a whole. The fact that the threads weren't tied together in a coherent manner doesn't just mean a failure in writing that one particular moment, it makes you question if there was ever any thought or purpose behind the "threads" to begin with. And that applies doubly in a story like Mass Effect's which relies a whole lot on mystery and revelation.
Like I said, I haven't been the most vocal about the Mass Effect 3 ending and I do think the reaction went a little bit overboard. But what I'm trying to get at here is that it's not unreasonable to get upset over a game (or book or movie) over the ending just because the rest of it was good or even phenomenal.
Also, and this is speaking more for myself, I think the somewhat messy ending casts a shadow over the story as a whole. The fact that the threads weren't tied together in a coherent manner doesn't just mean a failure in writing that one particular moment, it makes you question if there was ever any thought or purpose behind the "threads" to begin with. And that applies doubly in a story like Mass Effect's which relies a whole lot on mystery and revelation.
Like I said, I haven't been the most vocal about the Mass Effect 3 ending and I do think the reaction went a little bit overboard. But what I'm trying to get at here is that it's not unreasonable to get upset over a game (or book or movie) over the ending just because the rest of it was good or even phenomenal.
Is it unreasonable to get upset at an ending, and have your overall experience tainted? No, it's not. I felt the same way, and it put me off replaying through ME3 before the EC.
However, it gets ridiculous when the people who disliked the ending (and ME3 in general) basically say that anyone who did like ME3 is wrong. They don't just have a different opinion, they are flat-out wrong, and if they enjoyed ME3, then that is proof that they are less evolved intellectually.
Honestly, to anyone who says that Bioware has lost their touch in making good characters, I provide a challenge. Show me a romance more well-written than the romantic arc (including the second game) than Tali's and Garrus's. Because I have yet to see a game that manages to make a relationship feel that natural.
I could go on about how natural they felt, but I don't want to make too long of a post. But like saying the entire game was perfect (it wasn't, it had its problems), saying that there was nothing good about it, and that the entire game was average at best, and that the 9's and 10's it's been receiving are a conspiracy, man, is equally fallacious.
However, it gets ridiculous when the people who disliked the ending (and ME3 in general) basically say that anyone who did like ME3 is wrong. They don't just have a different opinion, they are flat-out wrong, and if they enjoyed ME3, then that is proof that they are less evolved intellectually.
Honestly, to anyone who says that Bioware has lost their touch in making good characters, I provide a challenge. Show me a romance more well-written than the romantic arc (including the second game) than Tali's and Garrus's. Because I have yet to see a game that manages to make a relationship feel that natural.
I could go on about how natural they felt, but I don't want to make too long of a post. But like saying the entire game was perfect (it wasn't, it had its problems), saying that there was nothing good about it, and that the entire game was average at best, and that the 9's and 10's it's been receiving are a conspiracy, man, is equally fallacious.
First, Your argument is what exactly?Leonardo Chaves said:
Second, Who'se to say they won't use tactics to adapt to that, they disabled the Normandy with a virus didn't they?
Third I'm pretty sure that once you launch a full scale invasion on all planets with space traveling races that those races will be aware of your existence; it doesn't matter if they changed from surprise attack to open warfare.
In Mass Effect 3 they still spread through the galaxy without much opposition; any less and they wouldn't have been the "inevitable end of everything and everyone"
But I don't think it was 98% great. Even ignoring the ending, the game was a disappointment. The way the side quests got dumbed down to just scanning galaxies, and the fact that the N7 missions were just multiplayer maps but in single player were both let downs. The whole scanning thing just felt like it was supposed to be part of a larger system that wasn't there. It felt unfinished and a little too janky for a triple A game. And there was that run away from the Reapers minigame that felt like an additional waste of time. It had problems upon problems. It appeared rushed.
So... anybody else miss the cool ME2 sidequests that were ditched in ME3? I sure still remember all that nonsense with the vague quest journal entries and crapload of fetch quests.
Oh yeah, the ending too but... why the side quest ditching?
Why no spaceship combat?
Oh yeah, the ending too but... why the side quest ditching?
Why no spaceship combat?
I'd rate ME3 above average but it wasn't great, my biggest problems with it:
-Lack of side quests, with a few exceptions the side quests were completely replaced by tedious fetch quests which don't even include dialogue, you just overhear people talking and get their stuff.
-Removal of character control and neutral dialogue. Not much to add here, Shepard keeps talking without you ever choosing a dialogue option, sometimes he says stuff you don't want him to. And on top of that they completely removed the neutral options and force you to choose paragon or renegade options which are often polar opposites, there needs to be a middle ground.
-Unsatisfying combat. Maybe I'm biased here because the single playthrough I did was on Insanity but the combat wasn't fun, I felt like I was unloading clip after clip into HP sponges, the combat with the standard troops was ok, but anything above that bored me to tears.
And the most personal one for me:
We have to fight Cerberus, I supported Cerberus in ME2, I thought of them as a necessary (minor)evil which we needed to defeat the big bad Reapers they had serious potential as a morally grey faction only to have BioWare turn them into the Masss Effect equivalent of Team Rocket in ME3... It's just terrible.
-Lack of side quests, with a few exceptions the side quests were completely replaced by tedious fetch quests which don't even include dialogue, you just overhear people talking and get their stuff.
-Removal of character control and neutral dialogue. Not much to add here, Shepard keeps talking without you ever choosing a dialogue option, sometimes he says stuff you don't want him to. And on top of that they completely removed the neutral options and force you to choose paragon or renegade options which are often polar opposites, there needs to be a middle ground.
-Unsatisfying combat. Maybe I'm biased here because the single playthrough I did was on Insanity but the combat wasn't fun, I felt like I was unloading clip after clip into HP sponges, the combat with the standard troops was ok, but anything above that bored me to tears.
And the most personal one for me:
We have to fight Cerberus, I supported Cerberus in ME2, I thought of them as a necessary (minor)evil which we needed to defeat the big bad Reapers they had serious potential as a morally grey faction only to have BioWare turn them into the Masss Effect equivalent of Team Rocket in ME3... It's just terrible.
It was good, not great, but o.k.
The decision to change the story for the third game could have been handled better, it was like only the minimal amount of thought was put in to it.
Most of the game was fun, Mordin's death was well done, but Legion? The "how" and "why" confuse me, how is direct dissemination any different from direct upload? His came off as meaningless.
For me, the ending, it wasn't so much as being talked down to by Glowbrat, it was that the choices rendered all the suffering, sacrifice and moral dilemmas experienced up until that point; Obsolete.
The decision to change the story for the third game could have been handled better, it was like only the minimal amount of thought was put in to it.
Most of the game was fun, Mordin's death was well done, but Legion? The "how" and "why" confuse me, how is direct dissemination any different from direct upload? His came off as meaningless.
For me, the ending, it wasn't so much as being talked down to by Glowbrat, it was that the choices rendered all the suffering, sacrifice and moral dilemmas experienced up until that point; Obsolete.
People like to focus on the negative on the internet, save for a few sane sites. I still say "Mass Effect 3" was great, even with the ending. It's like everyone was expecting every single storyline you ever experienced in the entire series was going to converge and tie up neatly at the END (much like Hollywood movies do, and Hollywood is complete garbage), but instead we spent most of the game WRAPPING UP THOSE STORYLINES. People were massively complaining about BioWare not finishing all those little subplots we had along the way of the adventure at the end, when in reality, they were all finished DURING the actual game.
As for the end, I think the Indoctrination Theory is the perfect and most obvious answer, but is just being held in our face like a carrot on a string to keep people debating over it, thus letting E.A. come out with controversial D.L.C., hence making more money from those that are obsessed with proving the theory, or busting it. That's just E.A. being an asshole and trying to milk the franchise for every last penny, which is why I have boycotted E.A., not BioWare. If BioWare ever sees the light and breaks away from E.A., I will happily purchase another game from them.
As for the end, I think the Indoctrination Theory is the perfect and most obvious answer, but is just being held in our face like a carrot on a string to keep people debating over it, thus letting E.A. come out with controversial D.L.C., hence making more money from those that are obsessed with proving the theory, or busting it. That's just E.A. being an asshole and trying to milk the franchise for every last penny, which is why I have boycotted E.A., not BioWare. If BioWare ever sees the light and breaks away from E.A., I will happily purchase another game from them.
^This. The ending was just so incredibly bad that it got all of the attention, it doesn't make the rest of the game good. The fact that the taced on multi-player is the best part of the game says a lot.Newby_Newb said: