Why do you like Obama?

[sneakypenguin]

Govenment should have never advocated those loans in the first place. Then they would never have had to regualte the market It's not the governments job to be a safty net.

1) Then who's is it?
2) Either way, it's their job to make sure their country does not need one.

1. Ours,the individual, the companies, mine. If I make a risky investment I should be the one to pay for it, not rely on govn't to say we're sorry you messed up, here is a check to make you feel better

Also to Acervusvlos, Amen the last three lines made me smile
"I hate Socialism because it assumes that everyone is equal, and we aren't.
That's a dream of the founding fathers that will never come true.
All men are NOT created equal, but all men can BECOME equal by making themselves important through effort."

 

[Spinozaad]

I tried to become a teacher, and I got demotivated by the fact that teachers are forced to do too much for too few benefits. They get horribly paid, and those uninterested schmucks will get through college anyway, so why bother? It's not like your stimulated to do your job. The government force-feeds you the stuff you have to teach and those little brats think they earned the right to have a say as well. In my eyes it's a miracle that people still want to become a teacher. Alas, that's the Dutch situation.

In any case, I now see your point. I do not agree with it, but that's what happens, eh?

 

[Ultrajoe]

There's no such thing as equality.

Your importance is equal to the work you put into your life, and the lives of those you wish.

I don't want my taxes going to someone who only has to call into the local wellfare office and say "HEY, I CALLED TWO FOLKS AND ASKED FOR A JOB. CAN I GET MY CHECK?"

Don't say "THAT'S RARE", because Wellfare is a flawed and corrupt system. It's the ultimate form of racism. It keeps minorities poor (As they make up the majority of the American "Lower Class")

I hate Socialism because it assumes that everyone is equal, and we aren't.
That's a dream of the founding fathers that will never come true.
All men are NOT created equal, but all men can BECOME equal by making themselves important through effort.

Just to be sure, if you ever happen to hit rock bottom due to unforseen circumstances, you'd be okay if nobody gave a crap about you, right?

Yes, I would.

And then I'd work to become a contributing member of society again. I'm not helpless.

And what do you think people actually in that hypothetical situation are doing?

And while you were at rock bottom, would you not appreciate Welfare to help you get by?

 

[Alleged_Alec]

There's no such thing as equality.

Your importance is equal to the work you put into your life, and the lives of those you wish.

I don't want my taxes going to someone who only has to call into the local wellfare office and say "HEY, I CALLED TWO FOLKS AND ASKED FOR A JOB. CAN I GET MY CHECK?"

Don't say "THAT'S RARE", because Wellfare is a flawed and corrupt system. It's the ultimate form of racism. It keeps minorities poor (As they make up the majority of the American "Lower Class")

I hate Socialism because it assumes that everyone is equal, and we aren't.
That's a dream of the founding fathers that will never come true.
All men are NOT created equal, but all men can BECOME equal by making themselves important through effort.

There is no such thing as equality in deed. However, is there such a thing as freedom? In your current system, someone at the bottom has close to a zero chance to get closer to the top. Why? Because they can't afford any kind of schooling, so their kids will have to do with elementary. This leads to them getting low-wage jobs because they aren't able of doing anything else. Which leads to them staying at the bottom.

And don't bring the american dream into it. That idea is FUBAR, and has been since it was first thought of. Yes, sure, once every blue moon, someone will be able to enter the top of society. That's called luck.

 

[Labyrinth]

To be honest, I don't agree with many of Obama's policy points, but right now he's the lesser of two weasels running for presidency.

 

[Acervusvlos]

There's no such thing as equality.

Your importance is equal to the work you put into your life, and the lives of those you wish.

I don't want my taxes going to someone who only has to call into the local wellfare office and say "HEY, I CALLED TWO FOLKS AND ASKED FOR A JOB. CAN I GET MY CHECK?"

Don't say "THAT'S RARE", because Wellfare is a flawed and corrupt system. It's the ultimate form of racism. It keeps minorities poor (As they make up the majority of the American "Lower Class")

I hate Socialism because it assumes that everyone is equal, and we aren't.
That's a dream of the founding fathers that will never come true.
All men are NOT created equal, but all men can BECOME equal by making themselves important through effort.

Just to be sure, if you ever happen to hit rock bottom due to unforseen circumstances, you'd be okay if nobody gave a crap about you, right?

Yes, I would.

And then I'd work to become a contributing member of society again. I'm not helpless.

And what do you think people actually in that hypothetical situation are doing?

And while you were at rock bottom, would you not appreciate Welfare to help you get by?

I've lived in poor neighborhoods. I've known people on welfare.
I had 5 neighbors on my street, none had a job, all blew their checks on booze, cigarettes, and car parts.
No. I'm not joking, or being stereotypical.
I also have had financial troubles, and when I have them, I start doing what smart people do. I save, I ration, and I work harder. Maybe instead of enjoying a weekend, i'll go mow lawns in nearby neighborhoods. Heck, by the end of a day, at 10$ a yard, I can make about 150$.
That's enough for a months worth of groceries.

 

[Acervusvlos]

There is no such thing as equality in deed. However, is there such a thing as freedom? In your current system, someone at the bottom has close to a zero chance to get closer to the top. Why? Because they can't afford any kind of schooling, so their kids will have to do with elementary. This leads to them getting low-wage jobs because they aren't able of doing anything else. Which leads to them staying at the bottom.

And don't bring the american dream into it. That idea is FUBAR, and has been since it was first thought of. Yes, sure, once every blue moon, someone will be able to enter the top of society. That's called luck.

My parents couldn't afford to send me to college. I am managing just fine. I pay about 100$ A month into my loans I took out, and if I continue making a good amount of money, I can have them utterly paid off in a year after college.

 

[sneakypenguin]

There is no such thing as equality in deed. However, is there such a thing as freedom? In your current system, someone at the bottom has close to a zero chance to get closer to the top. Why? Because they can't afford any kind of schooling, so their kids will have to do with elementary. This leads to them getting low-wage jobs because they aren't able of doing anything else. Which leads to them staying at the bottom.

And don't bring the american dream into it. That idea is FUBAR, and has been since it was first thought of. Yes, sure, once every blue moon, someone will be able to enter the top of society. That's called luck.

I don't know where you live but education is free through highschool and I can go to a 2 year school for free if I keep a 2.75 gpa after that it's called a student loan(you don't start to pay back till you graduate)
People expect things to just be handed to them the american dream is work a whole lot of it. If i have to work 50 hours a week and go to school at night I will do it.
MrAcervusvlos: You sum up my belief on life, work and individual responsibility
Kudos to you

 

[Ultrajoe]

There is no such thing as equality in deed. However, is there such a thing as freedom? In your current system, someone at the bottom has close to a zero chance to get closer to the top. Why? Because they can't afford any kind of schooling, so their kids will have to do with elementary. This leads to them getting low-wage jobs because they aren't able of doing anything else. Which leads to them staying at the bottom.

And don't bring the american dream into it. That idea is FUBAR, and has been since it was first thought of. Yes, sure, once every blue moon, someone will be able to enter the top of society. That's called luck.

My parents couldn't afford to send me to college. I am managing just fine. I pay about 100$ A month into my loans I took out, and if I continue making a good amount of money, I can have them utterly paid off in a year after college.

When the fuck did i say that?

 

[Acervusvlos]

There is no such thing as equality in deed. However, is there such a thing as freedom? In your current system, someone at the bottom has close to a zero chance to get closer to the top. Why? Because they can't afford any kind of schooling, so their kids will have to do with elementary. This leads to them getting low-wage jobs because they aren't able of doing anything else. Which leads to them staying at the bottom.

And don't bring the american dream into it. That idea is FUBAR, and has been since it was first thought of. Yes, sure, once every blue moon, someone will be able to enter the top of society. That's called luck.

I don't know where you live but education is free through highschool and I can go to a 2 year school for free if I keep a 2.75 gpa after that it's called a student loan(you don't start to pay back till you graduate)
People expect things to just be handed to them the american dream is work a whole lot of it. If i have to work 50 hours a week and go to school at night I will do it.
MrAcervusvlos: You sum up my belief on life, work and individual responsibility
Kudos to you

I appreciate it, and hope those Kudos can be exchanged for a lower rent.

:V Obama is going to raise taxes to insurance companies, which will cause them to punish us. That's the MAIN reason I don't like him. He doesn't think in the long term, that's the main democrat problem, they fix things with Duct Tape.
Republicans, however, use unrealistically slow drying rubber cement. It eventually works, but it take so long that by the time it's fixed, it doesn't matter anyway.
It's why they should work together to create some sort of quick drying cement.
But a Democrat and a Republican working together? IN AMERICA? Unthinkable.

 

[Acervusvlos]

There is no such thing as equality in deed. However, is there such a thing as freedom? In your current system, someone at the bottom has close to a zero chance to get closer to the top. Why? Because they can't afford any kind of schooling, so their kids will have to do with elementary. This leads to them getting low-wage jobs because they aren't able of doing anything else. Which leads to them staying at the bottom.

And don't bring the american dream into it. That idea is FUBAR, and has been since it was first thought of. Yes, sure, once every blue moon, someone will be able to enter the top of society. That's called luck.

My parents couldn't afford to send me to college. I am managing just fine. I pay about 100$ A month into my loans I took out, and if I continue making a good amount of money, I can have them utterly paid off in a year after college.

When the fuck did i say that?

Bolded in your quote~

 

[Ultrajoe]

There is no such thing as equality in deed. However, is there such a thing as freedom? In your current system, someone at the bottom has close to a zero chance to get closer to the top. Why? Because they can't afford any kind of schooling, so their kids will have to do with elementary. This leads to them getting low-wage jobs because they aren't able of doing anything else. Which leads to them staying at the bottom.

And don't bring the american dream into it. That idea is FUBAR, and has been since it was first thought of. Yes, sure, once every blue moon, someone will be able to enter the top of society. That's called luck.

My parents couldn't afford to send me to college. I am managing just fine. I pay about 100$ A month into my loans I took out, and if I continue making a good amount of money, I can have them utterly paid off in a year after college.

When the fuck did i say that?

Bolded in your quote~

I mean, why have you attributed that entire passage to me when i did not write it?

EDIT: It was Alleged_Alec

 

[Acervusvlos]

There is no such thing as equality in deed. However, is there such a thing as freedom? In your current system, someone at the bottom has close to a zero chance to get closer to the top. Why? Because they can't afford any kind of schooling, so their kids will have to do with elementary. This leads to them getting low-wage jobs because they aren't able of doing anything else. Which leads to them staying at the bottom.

And don't bring the american dream into it. That idea is FUBAR, and has been since it was first thought of. Yes, sure, once every blue moon, someone will be able to enter the top of society. That's called luck.

My parents couldn't afford to send me to college. I am managing just fine. I pay about 100$ A month into my loans I took out, and if I continue making a good amount of money, I can have them utterly paid off in a year after college.

When the fuck did i say that?

Bolded in your quote~

I mean, why have you attributed that entire passage to me when i did not write it?

EDIT: It was Alleged_Alec

OH! I'm sorry. XD

 

[tk1989]

ok, all I seem to be getting is that Obama's a liberal and that's why he's good. And that's great if you don't live here, but what's he gonna do for an american that should make me want to vote for him? As far as I can tell he's not really helping anyone unless they're unbelievably poor, and he's hiking up taxes on some of the higher rungs of the middle class. I personally don't think you're rich if you're making above 250 k a year, i think that's the higher end of middle class

Lol, dude. The American Presidents supreme power is his control over foreign policy! Truth be told, the American President does not have that much control over the American state in comparison to how much control he has over the states foreign policy, so i believe we have every right to have a say in what he does, because it will almost always have a major effect on foreign countries!

250k a year not higher class? dude, i think the government has every right to increase taxes on people earning over 250k, that is still a phenomenal amount of money!

 

[Brett Alex]

also, his platform is quite socialist regarding many topics.

As long as I live I will never understand the pathological American hatred of socialism.

Because we love freedom over equality.

There's no such thing as equality.

Your importance is equal to the work you put into your life, and the lives of those you wish.

I don't want my taxes going to someone who only has to call into the local wellfare office and say "HEY, I CALLED TWO FOLKS AND ASKED FOR A JOB. CAN I GET MY CHECK?"

Don't say "THAT'S RARE", because Wellfare is a flawed and corrupt system. It's the ultimate form of racism. It keeps minorities poor (As they make up the majority of the American "Lower Class")

I hate Socialism because it assumes that everyone is equal, and we aren't.
That's a dream of the founding fathers that will never come true.
All men are NOT created equal, but all men can BECOME equal by making themselves important through effort.

Amen to that brother!

If someone's got no job, it is obviously their own fault. If they were actually trying then I know damn well they'd be millionares. Simple as that.

And fuck healthcare while we're at it, you know who people have to blame for getting sick? Mmhmm, themselves, so bugger helping them out, if they wanted help they should have made themselves important, because the proper moral pursuit is only achievement of self happiness with man as the heroic being, compounded with rational self interest so screw the poor and-

...oh hang on a second, how the hell did we end up in an objectivist society?

 

[The Wooster]

...oh hang on a second, how the hell did we end up in an objectivist society?

I've seen a fair few splicers wandering around on wall street.

 

[Brett Alex]

...oh hang on a second, how the hell did we end up in an objectivist society?

I've seen a fair few splicers wandering around on wall street.

They'll get ya, watch out for them.

I do feel left out not having played that though, I don't even know what a splicer looks like.

 

[The Wooster]

...oh hang on a second, how the hell did we end up in an objectivist society?

I've seen a fair few splicers wandering around on wall street.

They'll get ya, watch out for them.

I do feel left out not having played that though, I don't even know what a splicer looks like.

Pretty much exactly like people who work on Wall Street. But older.

 

[Tiamat666]

It's not the only reason, but a rather important reason why I like Obama is simply that he's Democrat and not Republican.
Most people in Europe can't understand how it is possible that Republicans enjoy so much support in the US. Republicans are almost exclusively the political arm of coorporate america and almost everything they do comes down to milking the country for their buddies in the big business. Just look at the past 8 years of Bush administration. It's so painfully obvious that it hurts how half of americans can be so ignorant of their government. Think of the Bush family's connections with the oil industry and the record rise of oil prices. Or the Cheneys connections with the arms industry and the wars in the middle east and the Halliburton case.

Most republicans simply don't serve their country. They serve themselves and their big bucks buddies in the industry. Almost everyone in every country around the world knows this, except in the US. The only explanation I have for this is that many major news networks in the US, such as Fox News, are republican-controlled and only report in their "fair-and-balanced" stile, such as the balance between Britney Spears boobs. I guess that helps in keeping people ignorant.