well.....when someone whats to have sex with someone else and that person wont let them.......thats when a person will have sex with them anyway.....i guess someone just though "hey...whats stopping me"
Why does Rape exist?
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The desire for control, mostly. A certain type of person feels powerful forcing themselves on someone. If they could get that feeling of power and control doing something else, they would. It's not about sex.
Cuz we play bulletstorm! Haha , ok bad joke. Rape is here because some people just can't get any.
Rape is not about sex, it's about controlling another person, the sex is just a way of making that happen. Rape is more, psychologically for the perpetrator, like torture and murder than sex.
As stated (plenty of times) it's about power.
Going slightly off topic.
I remember reading something somewhere (can't source)
That sleeping with prostitutes is similar in some ways to rape as it is also has a large power aspect. If it was all about sexual desire then that wouldn't explain the vast majority of hookers are unattractive yet still see an incredible amount of action.
So if you want to discuss evolutionary theories for rape you would have to go down the 'Route for power and dominance' not the 'Route for sexual gratification'
But then again, rape would be seen as atypical, abnormal, deviant behaviour so the evolutionary theory would be shoddy as it wouldn't represent the population as a whole.
Strive for power could be explained but power through rape would be atypical so you would have to delve into each of the rapists history,family and mind to seek motivation.
Going slightly off topic.
I remember reading something somewhere (can't source)
That sleeping with prostitutes is similar in some ways to rape as it is also has a large power aspect. If it was all about sexual desire then that wouldn't explain the vast majority of hookers are unattractive yet still see an incredible amount of action.
So if you want to discuss evolutionary theories for rape you would have to go down the 'Route for power and dominance' not the 'Route for sexual gratification'
But then again, rape would be seen as atypical, abnormal, deviant behaviour so the evolutionary theory would be shoddy as it wouldn't represent the population as a whole.
Strive for power could be explained but power through rape would be atypical so you would have to delve into each of the rapists history,family and mind to seek motivation.
It's a build-up of sexual frustration that explodes into action.
The only way we could mate with the women in caveman times was rape.
Now that we have law and order (morals for the weak to make themselves feel better), it is simply criminal to rape.
Why some people still do it? Read "Lord of the Flies" or "The heart of darkness".
Mental disorder. Degeneration. It's potential is in all of us.
Just make sure you are protected when law and order is gone.
I know I will arm my women to the teeth.
The only way we could mate with the women in caveman times was rape.
Now that we have law and order (morals for the weak to make themselves feel better), it is simply criminal to rape.
Why some people still do it? Read "Lord of the Flies" or "The heart of darkness".
Mental disorder. Degeneration. It's potential is in all of us.
Just make sure you are protected when law and order is gone.
I know I will arm my women to the teeth.
Of course sex is involved, that's what makes it rape.xdom125x said:
What we mean is, it's not about the rapist seeing someone they think is attractive and then having sex with them without their permission. It's about seeing someone who (the rapist believes) won't fight back and then having sex with them without their permission.
A lot of people seem to think it's the former, and in the vast majority of cases it isn't.
Also, like someone pointed out before, dogs hump legs and other dogs to show dominance, not because of sexual urges. It's similar with some humans.
I disagree, Not every sexual encounter in "caveman times" (and by that I mean us, homosapians) was rape, thats redicualous, there was still mating anf family bonds and such, tribal culture and giving children best hopes of survivngSilentRuss said:
with animals I mimage the line between rape and mating would be more blurry
anyway as I have learned and many people have said, alot of the time its about power rather than simply sexual lust
plus Im not sure I agree witht he veiw that underneith every normal person there is a rapist lying dormant, sure we can all be capable of great and horrible things given the right circumstances but that dose not automatically= rape
human behavior, what they were influenced by, that is the sole reason for rape, there is no predetermined biological reasoning for rape, its not genetic, its an imposed factor on the rapist, whose personality turns to rape due to the results of different influences in their life. Don't let any one tell you different, its not natural for people to rape, its only inevitable that it happens in the society today because of the way people try to fix or prevent people from turning into rapists, which is that they don't try to prevent them, and think that rapists are born rapists. this is the same as with the majority of crimes, the blame is never with their environment.Vault101 said:
I want to make something very clear,
Rape is not about sex.
Rape and sex do not fulfill the same needs. Rape is not something that occurs as a result as a sexless life or a "dry spell", nor is it the result of a woman being a "tease" and leading a man on.
Rape is the result of a person's desire to demonstrate their power over another human being. It is a violent (not sexual) act where the rapist, almost always male, uses their penis as a weapon against another person.
Rape is not about sex.
The last statistic I read was that 65% of rapists never ejaculate during the act. This is because for the majority of rapists, the control over another human being is foremost, the sex is an afterthought.
Rapists almost never rehabilitate, and rapists who are not caught will continue to rape until they are. It is not only women who are raped, but men as well - we just never hear about it because male rape victims are made to feel shame at being emasculated, and male victims report the crime even less reliably than female victims (who also often feel too ashamed to report).
Another huge problem is "rape culture", aka, living in a society that trivializes or normalizes rape. Without even getting into an assessment of the media and normalcy/acceptance of images like this;
we can see that rape is a tolerated crime in our society from simple statistics and facts about rape trials.
Approximately 50% of rapes are reported, and only 2% of rapists ever spend a day in jail. Rape kits (evidence that is collected from a victim's body after he/she reports a rape - a very traumatic experience for the victim by the way) are almost never processed.
Women who take their rapists to court are often asked incredibly inappropriate and prying questions about their personal life such as
-How many sexual partners have you had
-Are you a prostitute
-Have you ever engaged in consensual intercourse with the accused
-Did you agree to meet with the accused on the night of the crime
-Were you drinking the night of the crime
None of these questions should be considered relevant because they are all victim blaming questions and should have no weigh on the judgement if the victim makes it clear that she did not give consent; and yet juries always judge sexually promiscuous women or women who had consumed alcohol more harshly than women who did not. All these questions serve to do is shame the victim.
You do not deserve to be raped for having enjoyed consensual sex with multiple partners in the past.
You do not deserve to be raped for dressing provocatively.
You do not deserve to be raped for drinking at parties.
And yet, if a woman has done any of these things, suddenly it's not such a crime to rape her. Suddenly "she was asking for it" and even though it was the rapist that made the conscious decision to rape, to violently attack another human being, suddenly it's not his fault because the victim failed to take the necessary precautions to avoid getting raped. And so the rapist almost invariably walks free.
Rape is not about sex.
Rape and sex do not fulfill the same needs. Rape is not something that occurs as a result as a sexless life or a "dry spell", nor is it the result of a woman being a "tease" and leading a man on.
Rape is the result of a person's desire to demonstrate their power over another human being. It is a violent (not sexual) act where the rapist, almost always male, uses their penis as a weapon against another person.
Rape is not about sex.
The last statistic I read was that 65% of rapists never ejaculate during the act. This is because for the majority of rapists, the control over another human being is foremost, the sex is an afterthought.
Rapists almost never rehabilitate, and rapists who are not caught will continue to rape until they are. It is not only women who are raped, but men as well - we just never hear about it because male rape victims are made to feel shame at being emasculated, and male victims report the crime even less reliably than female victims (who also often feel too ashamed to report).
Another huge problem is "rape culture", aka, living in a society that trivializes or normalizes rape. Without even getting into an assessment of the media and normalcy/acceptance of images like this;
Approximately 50% of rapes are reported, and only 2% of rapists ever spend a day in jail. Rape kits (evidence that is collected from a victim's body after he/she reports a rape - a very traumatic experience for the victim by the way) are almost never processed.
Women who take their rapists to court are often asked incredibly inappropriate and prying questions about their personal life such as
-How many sexual partners have you had
-Are you a prostitute
-Have you ever engaged in consensual intercourse with the accused
-Did you agree to meet with the accused on the night of the crime
-Were you drinking the night of the crime
None of these questions should be considered relevant because they are all victim blaming questions and should have no weigh on the judgement if the victim makes it clear that she did not give consent; and yet juries always judge sexually promiscuous women or women who had consumed alcohol more harshly than women who did not. All these questions serve to do is shame the victim.
You do not deserve to be raped for having enjoyed consensual sex with multiple partners in the past.
You do not deserve to be raped for dressing provocatively.
You do not deserve to be raped for drinking at parties.
And yet, if a woman has done any of these things, suddenly it's not such a crime to rape her. Suddenly "she was asking for it" and even though it was the rapist that made the conscious decision to rape, to violently attack another human being, suddenly it's not his fault because the victim failed to take the necessary precautions to avoid getting raped. And so the rapist almost invariably walks free.
Wait, so you're saying that only mentally unstable people can understand rape?EmperorSubcutaneous said:
That's... Flawed logic, to say the least.
Well, consider the 'lesser' beasts. The difference between normal sex and rape doesn't really exist with them, because it is pretty much completely instinctual. Many species even adapt ways for the males to force a female into sex.Vault101 said:
So that's our basis, that is where our sexual background comes from, sex that 'just happens'. However, with greater separation from instinct and more towards reason, comes the divide between our impulses and thought. When impulse wins, you get all sorts of crazy 'barbaric' things.
Rape is one of those things that just exists, and there's probably more than one reason why.
Dominance is certainly one major factor in it. Psychological analysis shows that people who rape are often the bullied and the downtrodden (not that I'm advocating it - BDSM works wonders for the rational). Sometimes it's just a lust for power. And some people are just into it, for whatever reason. It's not really something that can be explained completely through logical or rational thought.
Dominance is certainly one major factor in it. Psychological analysis shows that people who rape are often the bullied and the downtrodden (not that I'm advocating it - BDSM works wonders for the rational). Sometimes it's just a lust for power. And some people are just into it, for whatever reason. It's not really something that can be explained completely through logical or rational thought.
This response is all that really needs to be spoken in this thread.AccursedTheory said:
Very little rape cases are actually about the sexual pleasure, and more about the power to force another to be humiliated/do as you wish them to do. Most rapists come from families in which the parental figure displayed his/her dominance by physically or emotionally abusing the child in question, taking away most of their self-esteem (humiliation) and any perceived individual power. When they grow up, they like to try to take that power and self-esteem back by doing to others what was done to them. Of course, this course of action is a very misguided and morally wrong one, but understandable from a purely sociological and psychological point of view.
That's not true. You don't have to be something to understand it. Most people aren't rapists or murderers yet they can still understand WHY those people do what they do.chuckman1 said:
OT: A mixture of dominance and uncontrollable sexual desire.
That's absolutely not what I was saying. I was agreeing with you and just trying to find a possible positive in the common belief that rape is about sex.katsumoto03 said:
Just figuring that maybe their thought process goes something like "Well, I have sex with people because I have sexual urges and because I find those people attractive. I guess that's what rapists do too."
I always look for positives in things, and it seems to get me into trouble more often than not...