I've only heard of a few species of insect that do that and even then it's typically the female killing the male. However if you want to admit that the human race is no better than insects be my guest, I won't argue with you.SaneAmongInsane said:
Why does Rape exist?
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Two problems with that...firstly, it's at least in part the usual knee jerk reaction to not being able to convict enough people, to punish the ones you do convict more seriously. Though, this is more a concern when dealing with lesser crimes, not such an issue here.Clockworkjester1295 said:
Secondly, if you increase the punishment for rapists to close (or in this case, beyond) that of murderers, then they may as well kill the victim afterwards...nothing to lose, and it might help prevent them being convicted.
In general, I don't disagree, though.
Although, given that 1 in 3 women worldwide are raped ("only" about half that in civilised nations)...well, if you're average rapist rapes 10 women each, that makes something like 1 in 30 men are rapists. That's a major demographic, works out at more than 100 million men worldwide.
Killing off all the rapists would mean killing more people than the second world war...or none whatsoever, depending on your point of view.
It also means that you go past dozens of rapists every day on your way to work/school.
Never a truer word spoken.MasochisticMuse said:
-I was under the impression that this question is no longer allowed as evidence in rape trials.MasochisticMuse said:
-A fair question if she is one, but ultimately irrelevant to the matter at hand (or it should be)
-This is where shit gets tricky, cos that sounds like the first question any defence lawyer with half a brain is going to ask. Especially since a good majority of rapes are committed by someone the victim knows.
-Even if they did, its unlikely that they thought they would be at risk of a serious assault and is therefor just a fishing trip. Objection sustained.
-Sadly, this too is not an unfair question. The presence of freely imbibed alcohol changes the ball game considerably.
Correct a thousand times over; this needs shouting from the highest possible mountain top with regularity.MasochisticMuse said:
A sad state of affairs that boils my blood, believe me.MasochisticMuse said:
OT: lets distill it down shall we chaps.
Rape is a power trip. Ask any police officer who's a part of rape squads, sex is almost never a motivation. It is a vile desecration of your sanctity as a human being and the most vicious kind of assault that can occur.
I actually learned that my freshman year of college in Psych class.AccursedTheory said:
Rape rarely has anything to do with actual propegation, in fact there are more rapes where the victim is killed afterwards. Rape can be seen as either a means of punishment and/or humiliation, and even just plain sadists who get their kicks from hurting the victim.
there are some sick fuckers, IMO...
because people cant control their libido (the only way too get rid of rape is if all men would cut of their balls but that would end up making humans extinct)
Because people like having power, and people like sex. Some people are assholes, and get power by abusing sex.
Why is this a question...?
Why is this a question...?
If you take any first year biology course, you'll learn why. The most successful individuals are the ones who mate and reproduce. And since rape is VERY likely to lead to you producing offspring, any genes associated with rape (such as ones controlling aggression and sexual desire) will be selected for. It sounds terrible, but way back thousands of years ago, you could have had great success producing offspring by raping women...
Same. Though Dolphins have been known to rape human women, according to a quick google search.canadamus_prime said:
Only thing that makes the human race special is that we're capable of rising above our primal instincts.
^ +1marblemadness said:
Not so much first year bio at my university, but the point stands nonetheless.
Also, for pretty much all sexually-reproducing organisms, males which have no reproductive success (i.e. can't get chicks of their own) are left with "forced mating" (the fancy academic way of saying "rape") as the only manner by which their genes will be passed on, and selection favors males who participate in this strategy just about as much as those who mate with a consensual female. Evolution doesn't discriminate how you pass on your genes, just how well.
If life were a game which has many rounds (generations), and sex allows you to continue to the next round, consider rape as a valid form of cheating/circumventing the rules (of course I don't condone it morally or anything).
Edit: Also, (responding to Qmonster) I write my post here as "males rape females" since it's much more common, but females can do it too, sure.
Super Edit: Super also, any animal behavior (humans being animals, too) can have multiple reasons and origins, so the dominance thing isn't out of the question. But I think I either prefer the biological/evolutionary answer or it's more true than the psychological alone - I'm far too tired to figure it out though. Maybe I'll hyper edit in a thought later.
I'm going to quote the great George Carlin, "I believe you can joke about anything. It all depends on how you construct the joke. What the exaggeration is. What the exaggeration is. Because every joke needs one exaggeration. Every joke needs one thing to be way out of proportion."Rem45 said:
It also depends on the context. Would I go up to someone who if I knew they were still dealing with a majority of that baggage and tell them a rape joke? No. There is a time and a place for everything and being smart and having manners is crucial. Does this automatically disqualify rape as a joke subject all of the time? EN-OH.
Now, with this in mind, I'll tell you this: My lover, who I've dated for almost three years now and is also a 20 year-old college student, was raped as a child a year or so before hitting puberty. Has she had to deal with that emotional baggage? Yes, she has. A lot of it, too. Have I helped her with some of said emotional baggage? Yes. Does she also make rape jokes? Yes, all of the bloody damn time. Do I laugh? Hell yes, I do. They're funny and if they're funny, I'm going to laugh. Do I tell her rape jokes, too? Yes. Does she hate me at all? No. Does she call me insensitive? No. Does she genuinely laugh at my jokes? Yes, just as I do at hers.
Now, as much as I hate absolutes and extremes, either everything can be aimed for to be a joke or nothing can be. You don't get to pick and choose which are or aren't suitable for joke material.
So, yes. You may know two people who have been raped, but I'm in love with someone who has been who thinks it's perfectly fine to use rape as a subject to joke about because she jokes about anything and everything and because she is smart enough to realize that a joke, whether it may be funny or unfunny, is simply that: a joke.
OT: Rape is, more often than not, about dominance. Sure, there are other reasons, but those are usually the oddball cases. This is backed by years of countless studies of rapists done by psychologists.
Im dont think Porn has anyhting to do with itClockworkjester1295 said:A more important question perhaps, why do rapists exist? sure rape is embedded in our prehistoric instincts, but we are no longer Neanderthals and rape is never justified. Rapists exist soley to ruin lives, and more importantly to give us something to shoot at.
I have a few close friends who are female rape victims, and because of their experiences they have developed issues with trusting males. From being so close to people who have firsthand experienced rape, and seeing their lives ruined, i have developed an extremely hostile attitude towards rape in any form. I believe pornography is one influence, and i actively protest against it, i could explain why, but i dont want to write a novel here, the short of it is, i think people see rape fantasies in pornography and think its "cool" or "fun" whatever. I also think its mostly a male problem, i go to an all boy secondary school and the amount of sexism towards females i see each and every day, is appalling. Kids looking up to people like Charlie Sheen and Tiger Woods, overhearing conversations like "Tiger Woods cheated on his wife with tons of chicks why is he in trouble? i think hes a legend!" hearing shit like that really brings my piss to a boil, coming from kids so young who will grow up with attitudes believing that women are there as entertainment and dont have needs of their own, the attitudes displayed by many celebrities that are being looked up at by kids, the problem also seems to be the amount of sexism and male chauvanism in todays society. I try to be a gentleman like my grandfather, who always told me a real man would never yell at a woman let alone hit one, and whenever he watched the news, or read the newspaper, if he ever saw a rape story, he would often show me and say something along the lines of "see that man? hes a rapist, hes not a man, hes a maggot, dont you EVER turn out like that!"
Sorry for my life story, but i have a lot to say on this subject, its had a big impact on my life, and the lives of many people close to me. I understand if no one reads it or whatever, it is a bit long
anyway, rape seems to be something that will just happen, whether it be psychological or just stupidity or scumminess. One controversial view ive held on to my whole life is that the death penalty in Australia should come back, especially for rapists. Some people were given life and exploited their chance (rapists) so i think its only fair they have their life taken from them too. They are worse than murderers in my opinion.
we had a guy come to our school (all girls school) to talk to us how to avoid rape, he said as everyone else is saying here its not mainly about sex, but power, that your average rapist is not actually some macho man but usually shorter and mabye weak themselfs
also yes objectifiacation and sexualisation of women is present in society but I dont that thats a direct cause of rape, I guessing young men being at the age the whole "having sex with lots of girls" is jsut a common thing, it dosnt nessicarly lead to rape
somones upbringing (and I mean a particually twisted or brutal upbringing) and mental state I think are what causes rape