Why don't you play games on PC?

[TorqueConverter]

The point he is making remains; he brings a game home, presses a button on his controller, his Xbox is on in less than 30 seconds, and with 10 seconds after that (after putting the disk in), he's playing it. You cannot beat that with a computer, no matter how fast your processor is or how high your SSD's write rate is.

I know it's not your point but a point you are reiterating and solidifying on behalf of someone else, but how is the time it takes to install a PC game a valid argument against the PC platform?

While you are correct that the boot time with a game console is much shorter than that of a PC, not everyone boots a PC every time they use the machine. I keep mine running at idle or in sleep mode damn near 24/7.

I'll argue that a gaming PC offers much quicker load times than a console. If load times or any other time constraint is something of importance to a gamer then the PC clearly has an advantage provided the user keeps the machine at idle or has a machine capable of very quick boot times.

 

[LiquidSolstice]

I know it's not your point but a point you are reiterating and solidifying on behalf of someone else, but how is the time it takes to install a PC game a valid argument against the PC platform?

Rational argument! Thank god. To politely respond, the time it takes to install a PC game is not being construed as an "argument against the PC platform", it is being used as an argument against the original claim.

While you are correct that the boot time with a game console is much shorter than that of a PC, not everyone boots a PC every time they use the machine. I keep mine running at idle or in sleep mode damn near 24/7.

Correct. However, in the original claim, the statement "we spend just as much time waiting as PC gamers do" was made with no constraint or parameter about either, so we are to assume that in that claim, if the comparsion is made about the PC relative to the 360, we are to use the 360 as a baseline measure and subject the console to the same rules of the comparison. This means that, specifically due to the claim made, what a PC can do outside of gaming is not relevant to the comparison, the PC cannot be powered on any differently than the console, and the used game market has nothing to do with any of this, and neither does one's opinion on which platform is "better". While it's obvious that I am a 360 user, no arguments I've used to counter the original claim of "Same time spent waiting" has been in any way opinionated.

I'll argue that a gaming PC offers much quicker load times than a console. If load times or any other time constraint is something of importance to a gamer then the PC clearly has an advantage provided the user keeps the machine at idle or has a machine capable of very quick boot times.

And you are perfectly entitled to that, provided that you realized the word you just used (ironically) is "provided". As in, as long as the PC follows these conditions that the console is not following, whether by choice or limitation.

I thank you for keeping it civil and logical.

 

[TorqueConverter]

Correct. However, in the original claim, the statement "we spend just as much time waiting as PC gamers do" was made with no constraint or parameter about either, so we are to assume that in that claim, if the comparsion is made about the PC relative to the 360, we are to use the 360 as a baseline measure and subject the console to the same rules of the comparison. This means that, specifically due to the claim made, what a PC can do outside of gaming is not relevant to the comparison, the PC cannot be powered on any differently than the console, and the used game market has nothing to do with any of this, and neither does one's opinion on which platform is "better". While it's obvious that I am a 360 user, no arguments I've used to counter the original claim of "Same time spent waiting" has been in any way opinionated.

It's not fair to compare a PC to a console. It's impossible to determine which system is superior as two platforms are not even remotely suited for comparison. In order for one platform to superior to the other, there must be a comparison between the two. How else could one come to the conclusion that one platform is superior to the other? The comparison is invalid therefore neither system is superior. There isn't even a baseline for "the PC" to even form the beginnings of a comparison.

I'm guilty as anybody for allowing and even encouraging this topic to become a PC vs console debate.

Let me take the 1st step in getting this topic back on track. While I consider myself a PC gamer I have also played on both consoles. I have noticed something about the consoles that I am surprised no one has listed as reasoning for playing on console over a PC. Skip to bold for short version

The last game I have played on PC, 360 and PS3 was CoD MW: 2. After playing on all three systems I noticed a flaw in the argument made on behalf of PC about the PC having all the control types. While it is indeed great to have the option to use a control type of your choice as a PC gamer for the game at hand, what about the gamers who wish to only use a controller? It's difficult to argue that you just plug a controller into a PC. I say this because certain games on PC such as online multilayer FPS damn near require the use of a keyboard and mouse just to be competitive.

The vast majority of PC gamers playing multilayer FPS are playing with a keyboard and mouse. It is suicide to plug a controller into a PC and play a multilayer FPS. I've done it. The gaming experience of a controller plugged into a console, when playing a multilayer FPS, is preferable to that of a PC when using a controller plugged into the PC while playing a multilayer FPS.

I'll also argue that the gaming experience of a console with a controller while playing a multilayer FPS is very different from that of a PC, with keyboard and mouse, while playing the same multilayer FPS. The gaming experience I had on the consoles when playing CoD MW: 2 was slower paced and causal while the PC experience was very intense. Neither experience was better than the other, just very different.

 

[LiquidSolstice]

Correct. However, in the original claim, the statement "we spend just as much time waiting as PC gamers do" was made with no constraint or parameter about either, so we are to assume that in that claim, if the comparsion is made about the PC relative to the 360, we are to use the 360 as a baseline measure and subject the console to the same rules of the comparison. This means that, specifically due to the claim made, what a PC can do outside of gaming is not relevant to the comparison, the PC cannot be powered on any differently than the console, and the used game market has nothing to do with any of this, and neither does one's opinion on which platform is "better". While it's obvious that I am a 360 user, no arguments I've used to counter the original claim of "Same time spent waiting" has been in any way opinionated.

It's not fair to compare a PC to a console. It's impossible to determine which system is superior as two platforms are not even remotely suited for comparison. In order for one platform to superior to the other, there must be a comparison between the two. How else could one come to the conclusion that one platform is superior to the other? The comparison is invalid therefore neither system is superior. There isn't even a baseline for "the PC" to even form the beginnings of a comparison.

I'm guilty as anybody for allowing and even encouraging this topic to become a PC vs console debate.

Let me take the 1st step in getting this topic back on track. While I consider myself a PC gamer I have also played on both consoles. I have noticed something about the consoles that I am surprised no one has listed as reasoning for playing on console over a PC. Skip to bold for short version

The last game I have played on PC, 360 and PS3 was CoD MW: 2. After playing on all three systems I noticed a flaw in the argument made on behalf of PC about the PC having all the control types. While it is indeed great to have the option to use a control type of your choice as a PC gamer for the game at hand, what about the gamers who wish to only use a controller? It's difficult to argue that you just plug a controller into a PC. I say this because certain games on PC such as online multilayer FPS damn near require the use of a keyboard and mouse just to be competitive.

The vast majority of PC gamers playing multilayer FPS are playing with a keyboard and mouse. It is suicide to plug a controller into a PC and play a multilayer FPS. I've done it. The gaming experience of a controller plugged into a console, when playing a multilayer FPS, is preferable to that of a PC when using a controller plugged into the PC while playing a multilayer FPS.

I'll also argue that the gaming experience of a console with a controller while playing a multilayer FPS is very different from that of a PC, with keyboard and mouse, while playing the same multilayer FPS. The gaming experience I had on the consoles when playing CoD MW: 2 was slower paced and causal while the PC experience was very intense. Neither experience was better than the other, just very different.

Holy shit. I wish I could meet you and shake your hand. That was a fantastic post.

 

[Aprilgold]

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OH NO, THIS IS WHAT TROLLS ARE MADE OF! Ya' see? I didn't call you a troll so I can't be reported, isn't this great? I'm not calling you a troll, its just heavily implied, boy, isn't literature great?

Still though, it seems like your just arguing for the sake of arguing, so I'll drop this here.

 

[Fishyash]

my 16 yr old brother has a nice setup to play his games. I guess he has a bit of both really. He tends to chat with his friends over xbox live instead of skype, and his friends like to lend him xbox games now and then or he uses the xbox to play games with his friends at times.

He uses a HDTV to play both his PC and xbox on. Both consoles are set up around the desk with a sound system in front of him. At the press of a button he can switch from the xbox screen to the PC screen. So sometimes I notice him managing his xbox live party settings while waiting to respawn on League of Legends for example. I guess he just set it up in a very convenient way. Unfortunately it does limit him to sit on a chair in front of his massive screen, but I think if he is to browse the internet for one moment and then joining an xbox live party the next, he probably finds it more convenient that way.

Personally I don't really see any advantages of playing console over my PC. All my controllers are set up within one minute, all of my games seem to work fine (...except planescape torment which likes to crash at random) and the time it takes me to download a game is equal to the time it would take to travel to my nearest games retail store to buy it.

I used to play on the 360, it's really handy being able to just turn on the console and just play, but ever since I played WoW, I've been wanting a better PC, and now I have one... and then I quit WoW but I have still been focusing on PC gaming.

 

[LiquidSolstice]

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OH NO, THIS IS WHAT TROLLS ARE MADE OF! Ya' see? I didn't call you a troll so I can't be reported, isn't this great? I'm not calling you a troll, its just heavily implied, boy, isn't literature great?

Still though, it seems like your just arguing for the sake of arguing, so I'll drop this here.

"I don't have any logical or rational response to what you've said, and I'm intimidated by your long post, so I'm just going to call you a troll in some clever indirect way and decide that I'm somehow above you because you're obviously just arguing for the sake of arguing."

Got it. I couldn't possibly have a point to what I'm saying.

That was pretty pathetic, to be honest. If you don't have the capacity to reply to me, seriously, don't bother with the whole hit-and-run "yeah? well you're JUST A TROLL and I don't need to reply" bullshit. Here's a quick rundown about how this "forum bzns" works.

1. Person makes specific claim.
2. Second person argues against specific claim.
3. Random person who doesn't know what the claim was uselessly flounders around in clueless waters.

Guess which one you are?

 

[Aerosteam]

Because my laptop is shyte at playing games, mostly.

I have to play Minecraft on the lowest graphics setting for God's sake.

 

[Gorilla Gunk]

If they had a PC setup that cost $200 and most games on high then I'd be all over that shit.

I mean I know you CAN technically build a PC for $200, but it's not going to play Crysis 2 at 60 frames a second.

Maybe I should start a Kickstarter.

 

[XIII's Number XIV]

I've never had a computer that was good enough to run games up until last December when my mom got a Mac. Even still, I only use it for Minecraft. That, the fact that I can't speedtype, and that I've spent way too much money on my Xbox/Wii/PS2 to ignore it also factor in as to why.

 

[ph0b0s123]

Point to me where I said said "you can't game on a PC because you can't use a controller".
The point to me where I said "you can't game on a PC because controllers are not the main controller."

And when you can find those statements in my posts (which you won't be able to be, because you just made those up), feel free to remove that massive stick that seems to be lodged so far up your ass that it's causing you to speak words that were never said.

If you don't have the cognitive ability to process the above, here's a nice tl:dr for you; saying "I prefer controllers" is a perfectly legitimate reason to prefer console gaming over PC gaming. Being able to connect a controller to a PC does not negate this.

I bow my hat to you, as you have succeeded in stopping me from arguing the point further, by being a massive tool. It has been a non-pleasure interacting with you.

Yes, asking you to show me where you pulled your made up facts from is being tool. If that's the case, I'm definitely a 40-piece Craftsman set.

If you don't have the balls to admit you claimed I said something I didn't, kindly shut up instead of doing the "I'm taking the higher route" bullshit. I'll paste it again for you.

Point to me where I said said "you can't game on a PC because you can't use a controller".
The point to me where I said "you can't game on a PC because controllers are not the main controller."

I'll be waiting when you grow up.

Groan....

First of you are confusing Speech Marks for Quote Marks. "you can't game on a PC because you can't use a controller" was the original sentiment I was disagreeing with in my first post. "you can't game on a PC because controllers are not the main controller." was paraphrasing the following

because PC games are not made with a controller as the main control device.

Now as to the reason you are a massive tool. In all my previous posts, as far as I am aware, my tone was civil. Yours from the get go was aggressive, insulting and abusive. What ever good points you made were unfortunately outweighed by that doochy tone. Out of the two of us, I have no problems with the maturity of what I have posted so far. Have a look back at what you have posted and think if you can honestly say the same.

Conversation finished.....

 

[Brixton6]

I almost exclusively play games on the PC, however I love consoles for games where precise movement is a necessity (Assassin's Creed, Prince of Persia). I'm perfectly comfortable using a mouse and keyboard or a controller, but it's hard to make precise jumps with only 4 directions available. I have a couple non-PC releases for my 360 (Reach, Red Dead Redemption) too.

 

[TorqueConverter]

I almost exclusively play games on the PC, however I love consoles for games where precise movement is a necessity (Assassin's Creed, Prince of Persia). I'm perfectly comfortable using a mouse and keyboard or a controller, but it's hard to make precise jumps with only 4 directions available. I have a couple non-PC releases for my 360 (Reach, Red Dead Redemption) too.

Assasin's Creed on PC does not support analog movement? Weird. Can't blame ya for playing it on a console then.

 

[Brixton6]

I almost exclusively play games on the PC, however I love consoles for games where precise movement is a necessity (Assassin's Creed, Prince of Persia). I'm perfectly comfortable using a mouse and keyboard or a controller, but it's hard to make precise jumps with only 4 directions available. I have a couple non-PC releases for my 360 (Reach, Red Dead Redemption) too.

Assasin's Creed on PC does not support analog movement? Weird. Can't blame ya for playing it on a console then.

It does, but I don't like using a controller with my computer. It's a comfort issue. Since my gaming computer is a laptop, I would essentially have to rest my hands on the keyboard itself. I can't get far enough away from it for my arms to be comfortable. Besides that, my Logitech controller is about 6 years old, barely functioning after I've spilled various carbonated drinks on it, and I'm too cheap to buy a new one.

 

[LiquidSolstice]

Groan....

Oh look, you came back!

First of you are confusing Speech Marks for Quote Marks. "you can't game on a PC because you can't use a controller" was the original sentiment I was disagreeing with in my first post. "you can't game on a PC because controllers are not the main controller." was paraphrasing the following

because PC games are not made with a controller as the main control device.

Yes, I said "not the main", not "don't exist at all therefore rendering it impossible to game on a PC because you can't use a controller". You "paraphrased" something I said into something I did not say.

In fact, it's almost like an unintentional strawman; you being so convinced you know what I'm trying to say that you've managed to misconstrue what I've said and are attacking that instead.

Now as to the reason you are a massive tool. In all my previous posts, as far as I am aware, my tone was civil. Yours from the get go was aggressive, insulting and abusive. What ever good points you made were unfortunately outweighed by that doochy tone. Out of the two of us, I have no problems with the maturity of what I have posted so far. Have a look back at what you have posted and think if you can honestly say the same.

Oh no. I hope your feelings aren't too hurt. Protop: in the world of logic, nothing outweighs facts, but that's a nice way to dodge facts you've made up. "outweighed by a doochy[sic] tone", how hilarious.

Conversation finished.....

You mean like it was finished last time that you said it was? Wheres a :rollseyes: emoticon when you need it? I'll still be waiting for you to reply to me. The whole "okay, this is gonna be my last post here because you're hopeless" approach doesn't work if you keep replying...

 

[LiquidSolstice]

bullshit snipped

I still eagerly await your return so you can come and prove to me which Call of Duty game requires an online pass code to play.

Please come back soon

 

[Virtual-Goose]

BECAUSE MY PC IS ARSE

 

[Lugbzurg]

I have a PC... several, in fact. I use PCs for about 99.99% of my gaming. I grew up with PC gaming. I've gotten used to how it all works for years. I didn't get a console 'till I was 17. I see a lot of you up there don't like the controls for PC. Well, I'm not a big fan of controls for a console, myself. I'm much more comfortable making my character walk around with the arrow keys than the left analog stick. And when it comes to first-person shooters, you may take the right analog stick to aim if you want it. I'll stick with the mouse, since that's just what I'm used to.

Also, PCs end up being a lot more powerful, as they get new releases constantly. Consoles, on the other hand, get an update once every five years or so. Also, PC games are cheaper and easier to make, because they are being developed on the same hardware they're designed to be played on. On top of that, PCs are generally better with backwards compatibility. Also, some PC games will play their entire soundtrack for you if you stick them in a CD player. Very few, but it's noteworthy.

I have nothing against console gaming. I'm just better at playing with a PC. When I play multiplayer with someone on a console, I often fail. But, when I go on PC... man... I often dominate. Now, with Sony releasing all of these HD re-releases of some older games (most of which I really want to play) I am feeling much more interested in going out and buying a PlayStation 3. I like both. I'm just much more used to one than I am the other. I'll get back to you (I hope) after I've become more well-versed in consoles. I don't have as much experience with them as most of you do. So, I'll leave more of the console points to those that know a whole lot more about them than I do. I'll just use what I know and let those who know what I don't know show what they know for us all to know, you know?

 

[somepeopleperson]

I play alot of the smaller indie games like treasure adventure game, and some of the classics like beneath a steel sky. I don't play any of the bigger, mainstream games because my computer is the epitomy of ass. As in, the "my computer can't even run minecraft on all the worst graphics settings" kind of ass. But anything less than, say, a couple gigabits works just fine.

 

[Caligulove]

I did when I was younger and had a better rig for the games at the time. Upgraded it around 03/04 for the likes of Half Life 2 and later Battlefield 2.

But then I had things like college and living on my own to consider. Even before my gaming computer crashed, I couldnt really keep up with the tech requirements for the games that were coming out. Got into consoles instead. Just made things easier, overall. Though I do admit that I miss the control scheme. Content with what I have and the money Im spending on my gaming hobby.

Got a new laptop on sale with an additional discount, capable of running some games. Been able to keep up with things like Minecraft, StarCraft II and any other game I could run on low settings. Definitely use my consoles more, though. Still feel like it preserves a bit of my childhood, playing SNES then, all the way through the generations to my PS3 & 360. That and this way I got Red Dead Redemption Best game I've played in a long time.