Why Gearbox is not to blame!

[KnowYourOnion]

There's been rather a lot of hoo-hah on these forums about Gearbox ruining Duke Nukem or at least making it a massive clone of other current gen games. Let me just iterate one small, niggling, rather bloody important point Gearbox got the code for Duke Nukem half finished.

It's probably a fair assumption that some of the faults with the game probably stem from this fact. This probably sounds like I'm making excuses for Gearbox but if you look at their track record they have consistently made pretty good games.

So chaps and chap-ettes let's not hit Gearbox with the terrible stick of mild wrath......unless you think this argument has about as much validity as a hippo in a tumble-dryer then beat on them all you want!

Edit: Added at the behest of a chap further down the page

Thread starter,please add at your first post that all design decisions for the single player where made by 3D REALMS.
Gearbox got the game 80% finished,and what they did was to align the levels,record Duke's voices and fix some bugs. The gameplay,the story,the levels,etc where all designed by 3D REALMS.
Gearbox just fixed what was already done but was unfinished.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

That's no excuse, you don't release products until they're great, no matter what state you acquired them in.

You don't yell at the previous owner if you get a shit car from a second hand dealership.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

If half the code they received is shit, then they should have started from scratch.

That's like saying it's not the chef's fault if his vegetables were half-rotten when he got them, but served them to the customer anyway.

 

[Stavros Dimou]

Thread starter,please add at your first post that all design decisions for the single player where made by 3D REALMS.
Gearbox got the game 80% finished,and what they did was to align the levels,record Duke's voices and fix some bugs. The gameplay,the story,the levels,etc where all designed by 3D REALMS.
Gearbox just fixed what was already done but was unfinished.

 

[Catchy Slogan]

So it's not their fault that they blamed consloes for their game sucking? It's not their fault that they said they could take over the project? It's not their fault that they promised it would everything the old fps crowd loved and more? It's not their fault that they're relaesing a game that's obviously not upto their standards?

Sorry, but I'm not buying it.

 

[LiftYourSkinnyFists]

There's been rather a lot of hoo-hah on these forums about Gearbox ruining Duke Nukem or at least making it a massive clone of other current gen games. Let me just iterate one small, niggling, rather bloody important point Gearbox got the code for Duke Nukem half finished.

It's probably a fair assumption that some of the faults with the game probably stem from this fact. This probably sounds like I'm making excuses for Gearbox but if you look at their track record they have consistently made pretty good games.

So chaps and chap-ettes let's not hit Gearbox with the terrible stick of mild wrath......unless you think this argument has about as much validity as a hippo in a tumble-dryer then beat on them all you want!

I dunno, Hippo in a Tumble Dryer seems pretty valid to me.

 

[Stavros Dimou]

So it's not their fault that they blamed consloes for their game sucking? It's not their fault that they said they could take over the project? It's not their fault that they promised it would everything the old fps crowd loved and more? It's not their fault that they're relaesing a game that's obviously not upto their standards?

Sorry, but I'm not buying it.

GEARBOX NEVER BLAMED CONSOLES FOR SUCKING OR MADE ANY PROMISE THAT THE GAME WILL BE WHAT EVERYBODY WAS WAITING FOR.
These words where spoken by 3D REALMS people at a time 3D REALMS was still working on DNF.

Gearbox just got the game after 3D REALMS bankrupted,fixed the bugs,made the multiplayer,and are now going to release a 3D REALMS game.

 

[ZeroMachine]

Wow, that bad, huh? Is the demo ever gonna be released to the general public?

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Wow, that bad, huh? Is the demo ever gonna be released to the general public?

You have to buy the game first. Then you get the demo.

 

[CarlsonAndPeeters]

The real test will be seeing what the NEXT Duke Nukem game is like. Gearbox owns the rights to the franchise now, right? So a complete game, started and finished by Gearbox, will show whether or not they really have what it takes to bring Duke back.

Not that I care. Never liked Duke Nukem, probably never will. Still, its an interesting story.

 

[ZeroMachine]

Wow, that bad, huh? Is the demo ever gonna be released to the general public?

You have to buy the game first. Then you get the demo.

Ah, ok, I'll get right on thaWAITAMINUTE!

 

[Woodsey]

Then don't try and sell it.

You know what I'd do if someone offered me something that was both shit and half finished? Throw it away, and not try to con people out of their money based on nostalgia.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

That's like saying it's not the chef's fault if his vegetables were half-rotten when he got them, but served them to the customer anyway.

Can we please end all these shitty analogies? They don't make your point valid.

As opposed to:

It's great to see my prediction come true. You all laughed at me when I said DNF was going to suck, now look at you.

*haughty laugh*

Anyone can say 'I told you so' on the internet.

 

[Lightning Delight]

That's like saying it's not the chef's fault if his vegetables were half-rotten when he got them, but served them to the customer anyway.

Can we please end all these shitty analogies? They don't make your point valid.

I dunno. They seem to work pretty well. And now I want to go make a nice salad.

 

[ZeroMachine]

That's like saying it's not the chef's fault if his vegetables were half-rotten when he got them, but served them to the customer anyway.

Can we please end all these shitty analogies? They don't make your point valid.

But that one made complete sense...

 

[Catchy Slogan]

So it's not their fault that they blamed consloes for their game sucking? It's not their fault that they said they could take over the project? It's not their fault that they promised it would everything the old fps crowd loved and more? It's not their fault that they're relaesing a game that's obviously not upto their standards?

Sorry, but I'm not buying it.

GEARBOX NEVER BLAMED CONSOLES FOR SUCKING OR MADE ANY PROMISE THAT THE GAME WILL BE WHAT EVERYBODY WAS WAITING FOR.
These words where spoken by 3D REALMS people at a time 3D REALMS was still working on DNF.

Gearbox just got the game after 3D REALMS bankrupted,fixed the bugs,made the multiplayer,and are now going to release a 3D REALMS game.

I'm willing to admit I may have jumped the gun on that a little, but if they're going to takeover and release a game, flaws and all, then they're still to blame along with 3D realms.

 

[ZeroMachine]

That's like saying it's not the chef's fault if his vegetables were half-rotten when he got them, but served them to the customer anyway.

Can we please end all these shitty analogies? They don't make your point valid.

But that one made complete sense...

Still doesn't make his point valid.

You're right. It just reinforces an already valid point.

Nothing wrong with that.

 

[dibblywibbles]

oh well borderlands still rocks my socks. Benefit of the doubt given. I'm not a particularly angry person so hate is lost on me. unless it's customer service, I demand satisfaction. When you play the demo you're under no illusion that it's a 3d realms game, just finished up by another company. this whole "don't release a shit game" argument is bogus because even if a game is shit, it still makes it out to the public regardless. they never promised this would be a head exploding amazing game, just a finished one. so put the pitchforks and torches down. or I'm gonna tell your moms you're not playing nice and being unreasonable on the interweb.

 

[Citizen Snips]

Am I the only person who enjoyed the demo? I downloaded it last night from my Borderlands key when it was on sale on steam last year for so cheap. I really enjoyed it, and I don't see the clone problems in it. I never used cover, was blowing pigs faces off, and ran over aliens in a monster truck and a mining cart.

It honestly brought me back to my childhood for the 30 minutes I played it. The rail gun was fun, the shotgun decimated, and the ripper is a machine laser gun with three barrels! What is generic about that? The duel wielded decimators against the first boss (a giant cyborg cyclops) was a lot of fun as well.

I think most people are just too stuck in their nostalgia.

 

[Meatspinner]

Wouldn't be better to reserve judgement until the actual game comes out.

What am I saying?? Most gamers have already made up their mind about DNF as soon as they gave a release date on it.